Re: [ccp4bb] PAIREF - Warning - not enough free reflections in resolution bin

2022-10-02 Thread Petr Kolenko
From: CCP4 bulletin board On Behalf Of Matt McLeod Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2022 2:02 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] PAIREF - Warning - not enough free reflections in resolution bin Hey everyone, Thanks for all the suggestions there are a few different things I can try now.

Re: [ccp4bb] PAIREF - Warning - not enough free reflections in resolution bin

2022-10-02 Thread Phil Evans
If AIMLESS is throwing out a lot of reflections, something is wrong. You should look closely at what is being rejected, in the list of “ROGUES” and the plot of position of outliers on the detector face DIALS (probably dials.scale) has its own rejection scheme, as does XDS There are two basic

Re: [ccp4bb] PAIREF - Warning - not enough free reflections in resolution bin

2022-10-01 Thread Matt McLeod
Hey everyone, Thanks for all the suggestions there are a few different things I can try now. The data is very aniosotropic (STARANISO might help) in regards to how the crystal diffracts and I think changing the bin size will help specifically with PAIREF (its an warning so it completes the

Re: [ccp4bb] PAIREF - Warning - not enough free reflections in resolution bin

2022-10-01 Thread Kay Diederichs
Hi Matt, you cite the message "WARNING: There are only 40 < 50 free reflections ..." but in the next sentence you write "This error ...". Being a program developer myself, I'd like to point out that there is a difference between a warning and an error. An error typically makes the program

Re: [ccp4bb] PAIREF - Warning - not enough free reflections in resolution bin

2022-09-30 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Dear Matt, Your data past 2.5A is awfully weak, and wont contribute much to any map you calculate. Each term at the outer resolution will have a very low weight. I sometimes cling to the belief that the weak data may help the B factor refinement, but there isnt much evidence of that. There is a

Re: [ccp4bb] PAIREF - Warning - not enough free reflections in resolution bin

2022-09-30 Thread Andrew Purkiss
Is the data anisotropic? This would explain the strange processing statistics beyond 3.0 Angstrom. If using Dials directly it is worth looking for abnormalities with the reciprocal lattice viewer. I've seen similar issues with the completeness being low, when data is weak in one direction,

Re: [ccp4bb] PAIREF - Warning - not enough free reflections in resolution bin

2022-09-30 Thread Martin Malý
Dear Matt, thank you for asking. I am bit confused how you set up the PAIREF run. In paired refinement, data are added step by step - going to higher resolution, i.e. lower d_hkl. So the merged data in the PAIREF input should not be cut to much. The data statistics look from DIALS quite

[ccp4bb] PAIREF - Warning - not enough free reflections in resolution bin

2022-09-30 Thread Matt McLeod
Hi all, I am having a bit of trouble with PAIREF. I am trying to determine the resolution cutoff of a dataset which has a high Rwork (0.223)/free (0.275)value for the resolution (2.24A). I have truncated this data further to 2.4A and the R values get better but the electron density maps do