Re: [ccp4bb] R-flag choose

2018-07-11 Thread Kay Diederichs
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 22:08:48 +0100, Eleanor Dodson wrote: ... > In general if you have NCS your Free R >values tend to be lower than expected.. >Eleanor > ... and with tNCS, the Rwork / Rfree values tend to be higher than expected. Kay

Re: [ccp4bb] R-flag choose

2018-07-10 Thread Eleanor Dodson
FreeR flags are a bit of a pain - there is the number you should select, then how to compensate for non-crystallographic symmetry and putative twinning. Vilmos has written a useful Rfree assignment tool which covers possible twinning problems. It selects FreeR flags for the highest Laue symmetry

Re: [ccp4bb] R-flag choose

2018-07-10 Thread Paul Adams
I’ll also add for completeness, that (in Phenix at least) by default a total of 2000 reflections will be selected at most - meaning if you have a lot of reflections the total percentage selected will be substantially less than 10% or even 5%. > On Jul 10, 2018, at 7:44 AM, Pavel Afonine

Re: [ccp4bb] R-flag choose

2018-07-10 Thread Pavel Afonine
It's important to remember that free-R reflections are not only used to calculate Rfree, but also are used in calculation of m and D scales in 2mFo-DFc and mFo-DFc maps, as well as in likelihood-based refinement targets. The fact is that you need to have a sufficient amount of free-R reflections

Re: [ccp4bb] R-flag choose

2018-07-10 Thread Robbie Joosten
and calculates the average R-free and R-complete if your test set cannot be made larger than 500 reflections. Cheers, Robbie > -Original Message- > From: CCP4 bulletin board On Behalf Of ??? > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 10:03 > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: [ccp4bb

Re: [ccp4bb] R-flag choose

2018-07-10 Thread Bernhard Rupp
The precision or significance of rfree depends on the number of reflections used to calculate it. No fixed rule for percentage exists. Tickle & Brunger have elaborated on this. References pp 625 in bmc. Depending on how many data overall you have and can set aside, for an overall rfree uncertainty

[ccp4bb] R-flag choose

2018-07-10 Thread 张士军
Dear all I am confusing the choose of free R-flags recently. Rfactor means calculatted from reflection not used in refinement,so what's big the difference between different percentage of R-flags,like it's about 5% in ccp4 -refmac, while it is 10% in phenix-refinement,what's the difference