Re: [ccp4bb] TNCS and oligomeric state

2021-02-03 Thread Diana Tomchick
One of the most lucid explanations of how translational NCS results in peaks in a self-Patterson map is provided in Phil Evans’ classic paper, “Rotations and rotation matrices”, which is an Open Access publication. In particular, check out Figure 4, which illustrates a non-crystallographic dyad

Re: [ccp4bb] TNCS and oligomeric state

2021-02-03 Thread Jon Cooper
Hello, in the self-rotation function the peaks arising from the NCS rotation axes are good at hiding under the peaks for the crystallographic rotations, which is because they are actually translational NCS elements, I think. Also, sorry Eleanor, a double-check on wikipedia confirms the space

Re: [ccp4bb] TNCS and oligomeric state

2021-02-03 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I would look VERY carefully at your data processing. CCP4I2 report is a good place to start. The self rotation with the ring around the edge is hard to reconcile with two molecules in the asymmetric unit. Are the images clean or streaky? Do you have a photo of the crystal? And by the way - you

Re: [ccp4bb] TNCS and oligomeric state

2021-02-03 Thread Randy John Read
Dear John, It’s hard to be absolutely certain from the reproduction, but it looks like you have equally high 2-fold axes all around the xy plane in the self-rotation function. Do you have an explanation for that? It would be helpful to know the heights of the Patterson peaks relative to the