Re: [ccp4bb] how to increase b factor for water in protein- ligand crystal structure

2023-11-03 Thread Nicholas Clark
Hi Mandar, Thanks for the clarification. Eleanor (and others) who assumed the reported statistics were for the overall dataset were spot-on and my assumption was incorrect. As Eleanor previously stated, since those statistics were for the high resolution shell, they’re reasonable. As for whether

Re: [ccp4bb] how to increase b factor for water in protein- ligand crystal structure

2023-11-03 Thread Kay Diederichs
Hi Mandar Bhutkar, ok now that new table shows that your data are at least reasonable. Nevertheless it pays off to optimize the data processing, and the high resolution cutoff ... Is it publishable? Not possible to say from your table. If I were a reviewer, I'd want to see the raw data and

Re: [ccp4bb] how to increase b factor for water in protein- ligand crystal structure

2023-11-03 Thread Eleanor Dodson
We should all thank you mandar for stimulating our thinking and setting off a thoughtful discussion! This is perfectly publishable - st 2,6A placing water molecules is a bit problematic and you will probably only see clearly the well ordered solvent hence the lower average b factor. Just a

Re: [ccp4bb] how to increase b factor for water in protein- ligand crystal structure

2023-11-02 Thread Nicholas Clark
This is why I said this is somewhat subjective. I would agree I/sigI of 0.6+ and cc1/2 of 0.5+ in high res shell is fine but these values are overall, as the resolution range is 23-2.6 angstroms. On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 12:16 PM Eleanor Dodson < 176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk>

Re: [ccp4bb] how to increase b factor for water in protein- ligand crystal structure

2023-11-02 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Am I confused? I would accept an I/SigI of 1+, and a CC1/2 of 0.5 as pretty acceptable? E On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 15:03, Dr. Kevin M Jude wrote: > As suggested by the (conflicting) observations of Eleanor and Nicholas, > it’s not clear whether you are showing data collection statistics for the >

Re: [ccp4bb] how to increase b factor for water in protein- ligand crystal structure

2023-11-02 Thread Kay Diederichs
Hi Mandar Bhutkar, the data statistics (Rmerge, I/sigma, CC1/2) appear to be poor. So you may want to check the data processing; try with different programs, and perhaps with help from experienced people in your group. You could ask for help here, but you should give more details - what

Re: [ccp4bb] how to increase b factor for water in protein- ligand crystal structure

2023-11-02 Thread Dr. Kevin M Jude
As suggested by the (conflicting) observations of Eleanor and Nicholas, it’s not clear whether you are showing data collection statistics for the full resolution range or just for the high resolution shell. If for the whole dataset, your Rmerge, I/sigma, and CC1/2 are high, low, and low,

Re: [ccp4bb] how to increase b factor for water in protein- ligand crystal structure

2023-11-02 Thread Nicholas Clark
Mandar, It would also be helpful if you could share the statistics in the highest resolution shell. But to me (which is admittedly a bit subjective), as noted by Eleanor, the R-merge seems a bit high and the your I/sigma and CC1/2 seem a bit low. Which doesn’t really matter if you can build a

Re: [ccp4bb] how to increase b factor for water in protein- ligand crystal structure

2023-11-02 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - you probably could use data to a higher resolution I/SigI and CC 1/2 are quite high. The better the resolution the better the model usually. On the other hand your Rmerge is high-ish. Hard to comment without seeing the data processing results. Look at the plots of 2nd moment, wilson plot,

Re: [ccp4bb] how to increase b factor for water in protein- ligand crystal structure

2023-11-02 Thread Mark J. van Raaij
Dear Mandar, - you may be able to find some more, less well-ordered, waters by looking at (difference) maps. These will probably refine to have higher B-factors, pushing your average up. - some of your best-ordered water molecules may in fact be metal ions, you can check the coordination.

[ccp4bb] how to increase b factor for water in protein- ligand crystal structure

2023-11-02 Thread Mandar Bhutkar
Hi everyone, I am working on one of the x-ray diffraction data. Refinement details are given below. My solvent b factor is 18.44. Can anyone pls suggest me how to improve the data? Thank you. -- Mr. Mandar Bhutkar, Ph.D. student, Molecular Virology lab, IIT Roorkee. Resolution range 23.06–2.60