Re: [ccp4bb] Why MAD didn't work but SAD works well

2013-08-22 Thread James Holton
Yafang, I'm afraid that just because you still have spots at the end of your dataset does not mean radiation damage was not a problem. The reactions that disorder your heavy atom sites go to completion at doses that can be as little as 1/30th of the dose required to noticeably fade your

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Dependency of theta on n/d in Bragg's law

2013-08-22 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear James, thank you very much for this answer. I had also been wondering about it. To clearify it for myself, and maybe for a few other bulletin board readers, I reworked the Bragg formula to: sin(theta) = n*Lamda / 2*d which means that if we take n=2, for the same sin(theta) d becomes twice

Re: [ccp4bb] Dependency of theta on n/d in Bragg's law

2013-08-22 Thread Bernhard Rupp
Adding to what James wrote: I see this as follows: Bragg's law is only a necessary but not a sufficient criterion for occurrence of a diffraction peak if viewed as a reflection. The problem imho comes from not considering the structure factor as the actual quantifier of (single photon)

Re: [ccp4bb] TLS group assignment near poorly ordered loop

2013-08-22 Thread Andrew Leslie
Hi Robbie, I was interested in a couple of things in your response: 1. Slightly different boundaries giving surprisingly different results. Doesn't this suggest that the system is too poorly determined to justify using TLS (and there is the issue that Ethan Merritt has raised

Re: [ccp4bb] TLS group assignment near poorly ordered loop

2013-08-22 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Andrew, 1. Some boundaries give much worse or even unstable refinement whereas others give perfectly reasonable results. There seem to be real sweet spots for TLS group selections; the question is whether these relate to the mechanics of the structure. The system is well enough determined

Re: [ccp4bb] Low 280 absorbance imidazole?

2013-08-22 Thread David Mueller
I've never done the experiment, but it is easy to determine the absorption spectra of imidazole at different pH values and see if there is an isosbestic point - and then plot (A280 minus the Abs at the isobestic point), vs pH, and see if the pKa is about 7.0. Imidazole is aromatic as the free

Re: [ccp4bb] Low 280 absorbance imidazole?

2013-08-22 Thread Bosch, Juergen
Yes, I'm also surprised why people run gradients for the capturing step ? How often is your desired protein spread out throughout the whole gradient ? So what's the point the of the gradient if in the end you merge the whole peak again ? Maybe for a pilot study to identify how much imidazole

[ccp4bb] structural search for homologs in pdb?

2013-08-22 Thread Gloria Borgstahl
We have a protein sequence that probably contains OB folds. What is the best way to search for the top structural homologs to this sequence in the pdb? G

Re: [ccp4bb] structural search for homologs in pdb?

2013-08-22 Thread Zhang, Zhen
I am not sure if this is the best way but I always use Blastp and search against PDB. Dali search would be more appropriate if you have a structure of your protein. Zhen From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Gloria Borgstahl Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013

Re: [ccp4bb] structural search for homologs in pdb?

2013-08-22 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear G, if you only have the sequence, I suggest a BLAST search (http://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Blast.cgi), if you do have the coordinates, you can use the DALI server (http://ekhidna.biocenter.helsinki.fi/dali_server/start) Regards, Tim On

Re: [ccp4bb] structural search for homologs in pdb?

2013-08-22 Thread Tomas Malinauskas
Dear Gloria, HHpred. Best wishes, Tomas On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Gloria Borgstahl gborgst...@gmail.com wrote: We have a protein sequence that probably contains OB folds. What is the best way to search for the top structural homologs to this sequence in the pdb? G

Re: [ccp4bb] structural search for homologs in pdb?

2013-08-22 Thread Thomas Margraf
Instead of DALI, you might also want to try SALAMI (http://www.zbh.uni-hamburg.de/salami) for your structure searches. Tommy On Aug 22, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Tim Gruene wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear G, if you only have the sequence, I suggest a BLAST search

Re: [ccp4bb] structural search for homologs in pdb?

2013-08-22 Thread mohammad
Dear Gloria, If you are searching with a protein sequence, you could also try FFAS (ffas.burnham.org/‎). This will perform profile-profile alignments to do fold recognition. Works quite well for low homology cases in particular. HTH and best wishes, Mohammad ---BeginMessage--- We have a

Re: [ccp4bb] structural search for homologs in pdb?

2013-08-22 Thread Phoebe A. Rice
Hi Gloria, I've gotten useful results from these two threading / prediction servers: Raptorx and Phyre (for low homology, I found the original version works better than phyre2). Phoebe ++ Phoebe A. Rice Dept. of Biochemistry Molecular Biology The

Re: [ccp4bb] structural search for homologs in pdb?

2013-08-22 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Gloria Borgstahl wrote: We have a protein sequence that probably contains OB folds. What is the best way to search for the top structural homologs to this sequence in the pdb? G Hi Gloria, If you expect decent sequence simnilarity to one or more proteins in the PDB,

Re: [ccp4bb] Low 280 absorbance imidazole?

2013-08-22 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 10:07 -0400, Bosch, Juergen wrote: Yes, I'm also surprised why people run gradients for the capturing step ? Because we can. Joking aside, I've seen some examples where protein eluted at relatively low imidazole and upon running the gradient there remains some (minimal)

Re: [ccp4bb] Low 280 absorbance imidazole?

2013-08-22 Thread Bosch, Juergen
Hi Ed, well if we hit the timer after lysis, say via cell disruptor then I have my eluted protein in less than 1 hour, including 40 minutes batch binding. If I'm pressed for time I bind only 20 minutes and then can have the protein ready for the next step within 30 minutes after lysis. Some of

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Dependency of theta on n/d in Bragg's law

2013-08-22 Thread Edward A. Berry
herman.schreu...@sanofi.com wrote: Dear James, thank you very much for this answer. I had also been wondering about it. To clearify it for myself, and maybe for a few other bulletin board readers, I reworked the Bragg formula to: sin(theta) = n*Lamda / 2*d which means that if we take n=2,

Re: [ccp4bb] Dependency of theta on n/d in Bragg's law

2013-08-22 Thread Jrh
Dear Pietro, The n in Bragg's Law is indeed most interesting for teachers and a most delicate matter for those enquiring about it. The diffraction grating equation, from which W L Bragg got the idea, a 'cheap accolade' he said to have it named after him in his Scientific American article, has

Re: [ccp4bb] Low 280 absorbance imidazole?

2013-08-22 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 13:58 -0400, Bosch, Juergen wrote: well if we hit the timer after lysis, say via cell disruptor then I have my eluted protein in less than 1 hour, including 40 minutes batch binding. then proceeds to wait six weeks for crystals to appear... :) Cheers, Ed. PS. There

Re: [ccp4bb] Low 280 absorbance imidazole?

2013-08-22 Thread Bosch, Juergen
But when it sits and crystallizes it is cleaner - unless some opportunistic fungal contamination helps you trim off those nasty loops that you would have omitted anyhow from your model. Jürgen P.S. I like kangaroo's in particular when served with red wine and medium rare next to some garlic

Re: [ccp4bb] Low 280 absorbance imidazole?

2013-08-22 Thread David Mueller
Here is why we use the batch method. 1. We do it in the cold and do not have a working FPLC in a cold box or room. 2. Our volumes are large and do not have an easy way to load it using an FPLC. 3. The buffer volumes are greatly reduced using batch. This can be an issue with some detergents.

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Dependency of theta on n/d in Bragg's law

2013-08-22 Thread Gregg Crichlow
I thank everybody for the interesting thread. (I'm sort of a nerd; I find this interesting.) I generally would always ignore that “n” in Bragg's Law when performing calculations on data, but its presence was always looming in the back of my head. But now that the issue arises, I find it

Re: [ccp4bb] Low 280 absorbance imidazole?

2013-08-22 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 14:22 -0400, Bosch, Juergen wrote: But when it sits and crystallizes it is cleaner - unless some opportunistic fungal contamination helps you trim off those nasty loops that you would have omitted anyhow from your model. Jurgen, Good point and admittedly I never

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Dependency of theta on n/d in Bragg's law

2013-08-22 Thread Edward A. Berry
One thing I find confusing is the different ways in which d is used. In deriving Braggs law, d is often presented as a unit cell dimension, and n accounts for the higher order miller planes within the cell. But then when you ask a student to use Braggs law to calculate the resolution of a spot

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Dependency of theta on n/d in Bragg's law

2013-08-22 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, August 22, 2013 02:19:11 pm Edward A. Berry wrote: One thing I find confusing is the different ways in which d is used. In deriving Braggs law, d is often presented as a unit cell dimension, and n accounts for the higher order miller planes within the cell. It's already been

Re: [ccp4bb] Data processing - twinned xtals

2013-08-22 Thread Mahesh Lingaraju
Hi Everyone, Just wanted to let everyone know that i was able to process this dataset with XDS ( and lots help from experts !) Thanks again Mahesh On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Petri Kursula petri.kurs...@oulu.fiwrote: I have often processed images like this with XDS. Of course, you

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Dependency of theta on n/d in Bragg's law

2013-08-22 Thread Dom Bellini
Dear Community, I have attached a short booklet written some 6 years ago during rainy evenings to teach principle of crystal diffraction with biologist students in mind, never used it as I don't have students, but I now believe its mission was this thread ;-) It uses lots of real space

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Dependency of theta on n/d in Bragg's law

2013-08-22 Thread Edward A. Berry
OK, I see my mistake. n has nothing to do with higher-order reflections or planes at closer spacing than unit cell dimensions. n 1 implies larger d, like the double layer mentioned by the original poster, and those turn out to give the same structure factor as the n=1 reflection so we only

Re: [ccp4bb] structural search for homologs in pdb?

2013-08-22 Thread Peter Rose
Hi Gloria, You can paste your protein sequence directly into the text search box of the RCSB PDB website (http://www.rcsb.org), and choose one of the sequence search autosuggestions. You can also to try the PSI-BAST search to find more distantly related homologs: click on the Sequence option

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Dependency of theta on n/d in Bragg's law

2013-08-22 Thread Dom Bellini
Hi Some people emailed me saying that the attachment did not get through. I hope this will work. Sorry. D From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Edward A. Berry [ber...@upstate.edu] Sent: 23 August 2013 00:01 To: ccp4bb