Re: [ccp4bb] Scaling problem with multiple crystals

2013-05-10 Thread Phil Evans
Depending on the Space (Laue) group, there may be alternative indexing possibilities which will be sorted out in Pointless - did you run that program? I would recommend using the ccp4i task Symmetry, Scale, Merge (Aimless) which uses Aimless instead of Scala - Aimless may be a bit more robust

Re: [ccp4bb] reference for true multiplicity?

2013-05-14 Thread Phil Evans
We know that our scaling models do not completely describe and compensate for all systematic errors, for various reasons including radiation damage (which is hard to model). This can be seen by scaling together data collected about different axes, where typically the merging statistics between

[ccp4bb] Use Pointless to prepare XDS files for Aimless, not Combat

2013-07-10 Thread Phil Evans
If you want to import integrated files from XDS into Pointless and Aimless, you should use Pointless to do the conversion rather than the older program Combat. This is what is done if you use the ccp4i interface task Symmetry, Scale, Merge (Aimless) Combat wrongly fills in the FRACTIONCALC

Re: [ccp4bb] frosted crystals during storage in pucks

2013-07-17 Thread Phil Evans
In response I felt I had to post the low-tech version (not mine)PhilOn 16 Jul 2013, at 11:57, Edward Lowe edward.l...@bioch.ox.ac.uk wrote:At Elspeth's request, here's a link to a picture of the rack we use fordrying out shipping

Re: [ccp4bb] mmCIF as working format?

2013-08-08 Thread Phil Evans
I hope that some [X]Emacs expert can rewrite Charlie Bond's wonderful pdb-mode to work with mmCIF files (or at least the coordinate bits) … for exactly the reasons Phil Jeffrey points out Phil On 8 Aug 2013, at 00:54, Jeffrey, Philip D. pjeff...@princeton.edu wrote: Nat Echols wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] Error running Pointless in CCP4-6.3 OSX (10.8)

2013-08-12 Thread Phil Evans
(or at least in my current copy, updated a few weeks ago). So there is an inconsistency - no doubt this will be sorted out shortly. If you want a 64-bit build of Pointless for OSX then see Phil Evans' ftp site - ftp://ftp.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/pub/pre Use the most recent version

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge of the last shell is zero

2013-08-14 Thread Phil Evans
multiplicity = 1.0? On 14 Aug 2013, at 15:59, Yafang Chen yafangche...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, I recently processed a dataset, in which I/sigmaI of the last shell is 2.3, while Rmerge of the last shell is 0. Does anyone know why the Rmerge is 0? The completeness is 100 (100). Thank

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution, R factors and data quality

2013-08-27 Thread Phil Evans
The question you should ask yourself is why would omitting data improve my model? Phil On 27 Aug 2013, at 02:49, Emily Golden 10417...@student.uwa.edu.au wrote: Hi All, I have collected diffraction images to 1 Angstrom resolution to the edge of the detector and 0.9A to the corner.I

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution, R factors and data quality

2013-08-28 Thread Phil Evans
7:45 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution, R factors and data quality Hi all, does this not again bring up the still prevailing adherence to R factors and not a shift to correlation coefficients ( CC1/2 and CC*) ? (as Dr. Phil Evans has indicated).? The way we

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution, R factors and data quality

2013-08-28 Thread Phil Evans
criterion ( which I guess is done to be on the safe side- Dr. Phil Evans can explain if there are other or an entirely different reason to it! ). But if we want to squeeze the most from our data-set, I guess we need to push a bit further sometimes :) On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Re: [ccp4bb] from sca to CC1/2

2013-09-18 Thread Phil Evans
As long as the .sca file is scaled but unmerged, then one way is pointless -copy scain denzo.sca hklout denzo.mtz aimless hklin denzo.mtz EOF scales constant onlymerge EOF Phil On 18 Sep 2013, at 11:21, Francesco Angelucci francesco.angelu...@uniroma1.it wrote: Dear All, I am wondering

Re: [ccp4bb] Code to handle the syntax of (mm)CIF data correctly.

2013-09-18 Thread Phil Evans
As a novice looking at mmCIF from a developers point of view, for reflection data, the complication is not so much tokenising (parsing), but what items to write or to expect to read. For example as far as I can see an observed intensity may be encoded in a reflection loop (merged or unmerged)

Re: [ccp4bb] Code to handle the syntax of (mm)CIF data correctly.

2013-09-18 Thread Phil Evans
that they have to deal with in this field. My experience suggests that this is an important practical issue with real-world ramifications, and it is worthwhile devoting some effort to it. Regards, Peter. On Wed, 18 Sep 2013, Phil Evans wrote: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:38:07 +0100 From: Phil Evans

Re: [ccp4bb] Code to handle the syntax of (mm)CIF data correctly.

2013-09-19 Thread Phil Evans
that this is an important practical issue with real-world ramifications, and it is worthwhile devoting some effort to it. Regards, Peter. On Wed, 18 Sep 2013, Phil Evans wrote: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:38:07 +0100 From: Phil Evans p...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK

Re: [ccp4bb] Code to handle the syntax of (mm)CIF data correctly.

2013-09-19 Thread Phil Evans
. They are for different purposes and, therefore, could differ from each other -- Eugene On 19 Sep 2013, at 10:45, Phil Evans wrote: Do you really want to read the whole of a long reflection loop into memory rather than parsing it one line at a time (which should be possible once you have

Re: [ccp4bb] how to cut back resolution of a well-refined model

2013-10-10 Thread Phil Evans
Please explain how you think that cutting back the resolution will improve your model Phil On 10 Oct 2013, at 21:57, Yafang Chen yafangche...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I have a structure at 2.45A which has been well refined. However, since the R-merge at the last shell is above 1 (although

Re: [ccp4bb] Tool to compute F/FP from F(+) / F(-)

2013-10-25 Thread Phil Evans
That won't work. Aimless expects intensities not Fs. I would think you could do it with sftools Phil On 25 Oct 2013, at 09:54, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Rojan, I would try aimless with the option 'onlymerge'. Best,

Re: [ccp4bb] Conflicting Qt on OS X 10.6

2013-10-28 Thread Phil Evans
I had this problem last week but it seems to have been solved by reinstalling the ccp4 6.4.0 package today, slightly updated I believe There was message from Eugene Krissinel which may be relevant to this Phil On 28 Oct 2013, at 16:00, Dmitry Rodionov d.rodio...@gmail.com wrote: Good day!

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Citing Aimless

2013-11-07 Thread Phil Evans
It should be printed at the end of the log file P.R.Evans and G.N.Murshudov, 'How good are my data and what is the resolution?' Acta Cryst. D69, 1204-1214 (2013). Phil On 8 Nov 2013, at 11:35, Zheng Zhou zhengzho...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all I am also looking for aimless reference.

Re: [ccp4bb] observed criterion sigma

2013-11-14 Thread Phil Evans
Always deprecated, hopefully never common! On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:27, Mark J van Raaij mjvanra...@cnb.csic.es wrote: It used to be common to only include reflections for which I x sigma(I) in refinement, with x often being 3. However, nowadays this is not considered good practise, as

Re: [ccp4bb] ccp4 man-pages

2013-11-15 Thread Phil Evans
AFAICS the .doc files look as if they were auto-generated from the .html files in 6.3.0. Certainly the only documentation I have written for Pointless and Aimless is in html Phil On 15 Nov 2013, at 14:33, Edward A. Berry ber...@upstate.edu wrote: (assuming of course the .doc files aren't

Re: [ccp4bb] 100% Rmerge in high resolution shell

2013-11-19 Thread Phil Evans
I've generally found that adding lines to the standard table works, and they are not removed by editors On 19 Nov 2013, at 09:32, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Graeme, On 11/19/2013 09:02 AM, Graeme Winter wrote: [...]

Re: [ccp4bb] scala discrepancy between versions

2013-12-10 Thread Phil Evans
Dear Jens I'm surprised by this as Scala hasn't changed for quite a long time, as it is now now superseded by Aimless. However, I haven't implemented a reference dataset in Aimless since in the end I decided that it wasn't very useful, so if you find it useful then you will indeed need to use

Re: [ccp4bb] determining best of alternative indexes with POINTLESS

2014-01-16 Thread Phil Evans
Indeed that is a bug. I've never tried that combination before. I'll fix it Phil On 16 Jan 2014, at 20:32, wtempel wtem...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, using merged scalepack intensities and a reference MTZ file as inputs, I would like to prepare an MTZ of scalepack intensities reindexed so that

Re: [ccp4bb] I/sigmaI or I/sigmaI

2014-02-12 Thread Phil Evans
I/sigmaI On 12 Feb 2014, at 11:43, Cai Qixu caiq...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, Does the I/sigmaI in “Table 1” mean for I/sigmaI or I/sigmaI ? Thanks for your answer. Best wishes, Qixu Cai

Re: [ccp4bb] pairwise CCano

2014-03-14 Thread Phil Evans
If you assigns them to different datasets in Pointless, then Aimless will give you the cross-dataset correlations. By default it will scale them to together first, but you can skip that if you want It might not scale well to a large number of files (OK up to about 10 I guess) Phil On 14 Mar

Re: [ccp4bb] difference between polar angle and eulerian angle

2014-03-27 Thread Phil Evans
The polar angles ϕ, ω define the direction of an axis about which a rotation by angle κ occurs, i.e. a single rotation around a defined axis. This is different from Eulerian angles which define 3 successive rotations around principal axes On 27 Mar 2014, at 06:11, Qixu Cai caiq...@gmail.com

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4i aimless problem, no HKLIN

2014-04-08 Thread Phil Evans
Just tested with a clean binary install on a Mac (running 10.8), and it works for me Phil On 8 Apr 2014, at 15:19, Björn Kauppi bjorn.kau...@karobio.se wrote: Hi I run latest CCP4 as of today, 6.4.0 update 12 and CCP4i 2.2.1 When trying to run pointless/aimless from the interface the

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous signal

2014-04-26 Thread Phil Evans
Was there a reason that you turned off the scaling in Aimless (onlymerge)? If the data have come from Mosflm, this is definitely wrong - the result is that (among other things) you have negative CCanom values which is unusual to say the least Just run it with the default options, that's

Re: [ccp4bb] C2/I2 space groups

2014-05-21 Thread Phil Evans
I2 and C2 are different settings of the same group. The official IUCr convention is to use the one which gives the beta angle closer to 90 degrees. As far as I know all programs should now be able to use the I2 setting, but if it worries you, you can reindex to C2 Phil On 21 May 2014, at

Re: [ccp4bb] Potentially serious if unusual bug in handling symmetry

2014-05-23 Thread Phil Evans
Surely Refmac or any other program should honour the symmetry operators in the MTZ file - that's why they are there! Phil On 23 May 2014, at 12:34, Eleanor Dodson eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk wrote: Someone here has seen his Rfactors leap from 18% to 42% and was naturally distressed! We

Re: [ccp4bb] Potentially serious if unusual bug in handling symmetry

2014-05-23 Thread Phil Evans
OK I guess Pointless is accepting the number as given in the reference file, rather than changing it. If Pointless is just determining the space group it does give the correct (i.e. weird CCP4 convention) number * Space group = 'P 2 21 21' (number 3018) I'm not sure how to test this as I

Re: [ccp4bb] (high) values of R-factors in outermost resolution shell

2014-06-02 Thread Phil Evans
That looks good to me Mean(I/sigma) = 2.0, CC1/2 0.74 See endless discussions on this BB about the uselessness of Rmerge as a resolution criterion Phil On 2 Jun 2014, at 09:27, sreetama das somon_...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Dear All, What are reasonable values of Rmerge in the

Re: [ccp4bb] merging of reflection with identical indices

2014-06-10 Thread Phil Evans
XDS_ASCII.HKL or scalepack format ('no merge original index') can be read directly by Pointless which should (I hope) do a better job than COMBAT. Aimless ( Pointless) assume two reflections are part of the same one if they have the same true hkl (same ISYM) and adjacent batch numbers (and a

Re: [ccp4bb] m_range_check error in aimless

2014-06-13 Thread Phil Evans
What version of Aimless are you running? I thought I had fixed that bug Phil On 13 Jun 2014, at 11:59, Andreas Förster docandr...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, I'm trying to scale/merge mtz files in ccp4 (Pointless/Aimless/ctruncate/Rfree pipeline) and keep getting an UNHANDLED EXCEPTION:

Re: [ccp4bb] Error in Scala

2012-04-06 Thread Phil Evans
Do run the data through Pointless before Scala to check the point group. Try scales constant just to check that things aren't completely hopeless Phil On 6 Apr 2012, at 20:29, Yuri Pompeu wrote: Hi everyone, Sorry for the newbie type problems, but I am just starting to use ccp4 for data

Re: [ccp4bb] scala - handling of anomalous data

2012-04-06 Thread Phil Evans
I wouldn't recommend this option Phil On 6 Apr 2012, at 21:41, Matthew Chu wrote: Hi all, Can someone kindly explain what is that match pairs related by inversion of indices option doing for handling anomalous data? If I have collected the inverse beam data, does it mean I have to use

Re: [ccp4bb] very informative - Trends in Data Fabrication

2012-04-09 Thread Phil Evans
On 8 Apr 2012, at 21:18, aaleshin wrote: What I suggested with respect to the PDB data validation was adding some additional information that would allow to independently validate such parameters as the resolution and data quality (catching of model fabrications would be a byproduct of

Re: [ccp4bb] very informative - Trends in Data Fabrication

2012-04-09 Thread Phil Evans
and 5A in the third. Alex On Apr 9, 2012, at 4:51 AM, Phil Evans wrote: On 8 Apr 2012, at 21:18, aaleshin wrote: What I suggested with respect to the PDB data validation was adding some additional information that would allow to independently validate such parameters as the resolution

Re: [ccp4bb] iMosflm version 1.0.6 Mosflm version 7.0.8

2012-04-16 Thread Phil Evans
Aimless is a complete rewrite of Scala, but does essentially the same task. I haven't yet written it up properly, but there is a program document at ftp://ftp.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/pub/pre/aimless.html A rough flow of the program is as follows:- Read file from eg POINTLESS, sort data if

Re: [ccp4bb] table 1 and scalar

2012-05-06 Thread Phil Evans
Yes Sent from my iPhone On 6 May 2012, at 11:21, Acoot Brett acootbr...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear All, In the crystallography paper table 1, there is Values in parentheses are for the highest resolution shell. Is this highest resolution shell same as the OuterShell for the analysis result

Re: [ccp4bb] zero mosaicity

2012-05-25 Thread Phil Evans
SCALA doesn't do anything with the mosaicity, it just reports what was passed from the integration program. On 25 May 2012, at 17:12, Ed Pozharski wrote: I should do more digging, but I hope maybe there is a simple explanation and someone has seen this before. On some datasets (collected at

Re: [ccp4bb] P321 space group reindex problem

2012-05-29 Thread Phil Evans
NO do NOT invert the hand. If you do you will end up with left-handed helices etc The alternative indexing systems all need to preserve the right-handed axis system imposed by the data integration program (eg k,h,-l) The ONLY time it is valid to invert the hand is if the indexing/integration

Re: [ccp4bb] P321 space group reindex problem

2012-05-29 Thread Phil Evans
On 29 May 2012, at 15:02, Ian Tickle wrote: Phil, On 29 May 2012 14:08, Phil Evans p...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk wrote: NO do NOT invert the hand. If you do you will end up with left-handed helices etc Surely not if you take care to also change the signs of the anomalous differences? I

Re: [ccp4bb] P321 space group reindex problem

2012-05-29 Thread Phil Evans
Although there is no need for a standard reciprocal asu, it is convenient to have all your datasets in the same convention when it comes to comparing and combining different isomorphous datasets (ie to do it once rather than every time you compare them). It doesn't matter what the standard is

Re: [ccp4bb] P321 space group reindex problem

2012-05-29 Thread Phil Evans
How do you know the point group is 321? What does Pointless tell you if you put in the unmerged data? Despite some of the things said earlier (by me!), the possible indexing schemes in 321 are h,k,l and -h,-k,l If that doesn't work, it suggests that the point group is a lower symmetry eg P3

Re: [ccp4bb] Death of Rmerge

2012-06-01 Thread Phil Evans
As the K D paper points out, as the signal/noise declines at higher resolution, Rmerge goes up to infinity, so there is no sensible way to set a limiting value to determine resolution. That is not to say that Rmerge has no use: as you say it's a reasonably good metric to plot against image

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Phil Evans
No they were not useless! I used them (probably better now with cryo data though) Phil On 6 Jun 2012, at 16:02, Dyda wrote: I suspect that pure MIR (without anomalous) was always a fiction. I doubt that anyone has ever used it. Heavy atoms always give an anomalous signal Phil I

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-13 Thread Phil Evans
Just to be clear, the CCP4 data processing programs (SCALA and its replacement AIMLESS) always give you I+ and I- in the output. The only difference between anomalous on off is in the outlier rejection, since if you have a large anomalous signal you don't want to reject as outliers reflections

Re: [ccp4bb] Requesting old data sets

2012-07-03 Thread Phil Evans
Personally I'd be happy to share my old datasets if I could find them Phil On 3 Jul 2012, at 03:39, Bosch, Juergen wrote: Dear CCP4 community, what's the general opinion regarding sharing old published data sets ? Would you be offended if I asked you for your raw images from say a 5-10 year

Re: [ccp4bb] Process multiple data sets

2012-08-01 Thread Phil Evans
Note that neither Aimless nor Scala will do a particularly good job at scaling data from Denzo or Scalepack, since the output files from Scalepack are missing essential geometrical information. They work well with data from Mosflm or XDS (or Saint) (although AFAIK the XDS Saint scaling

Re: [ccp4bb] Process multiple data sets

2012-08-02 Thread Phil Evans
An earlier post said the point-group is P2, and these reported cells do not quote the beta angles: what are these angles?. In the monoclinic system it is possible to have two closely-similar alternative cells in certain special cases, and if the crystals have been indexed differently this could

Re: [ccp4bb] SCALA bugs in CCP4 6.3.0?

2012-08-04 Thread Phil Evans
This must be a problem on Windows as it doesn't show up on OSX or Linux, and this code hasn't changed for a long time, I think David I guess you will feed this back to me: I don't have any way of testing on Windows Anyway, Aimless should be better :-) Phil On 4 Aug 2012, at 14:26, David

Re: [ccp4bb] Re-processing HKL3000 reduced data using Mosfilm to obtain Rmeas

2012-08-16 Thread Phil Evans
As Jürgen says why not use imosflm? Incidentally CCP4 6.1.13 is pretty old - I would recommend updating to 6.3.0 If you REALLY want to convert denzo orientation to the Mosflm convention, there's an old Fortran program of mine at ftp://ftp.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/pub/pre/denzo2mosflm.f but I

Re: [ccp4bb] Angle between monomer of a dimer

2012-08-24 Thread Phil Evans
the angle of rotation is kappa = 160.045deg in this case On 24 Aug 2012, at 04:33, Appu kumar wrote: Sir one more help plz i have the following matrix which one shall i use to calculate the angle. INFO:: coordinates transformed by orthonal matrix: | -0.6927, -0.7191,0.0564| |

Re: [ccp4bb] Does Scala merge anomalous/non-anomalous?

2012-12-05 Thread Phil Evans
Note that Scala Aimless always put I+, I- and Imean into the output file, which then get propagated through [c]truncate. This is irrespective of whether the Anomalous data flag is switched on: that only affects outlier rejection and some statistics. Note also that Aimless (recent versions

Re: [ccp4bb] thanks god for pdbset

2012-12-05 Thread Phil Evans
not god I don't think I wrote that bit! Phil On 5 Dec 2012, at 15:06, Ed Pozharski wrote: Francois, I did not realize Phil Evans is god (perhaps a minor one as he did not yet earn a capital G). I do concur that insertion code is evil. I had to re-refine an old antibody structure

Re: [ccp4bb] refining against weak data and Table I stats

2012-12-07 Thread Phil Evans
It is internally consistent, though not necessarily correct On 7 Dec 2012, at 16:23, Alan Cheung wrote: Related to this, I've always wondered what CC1/2 values mean for low resolution. Not being mathematically inclined, I'm sure this is a naive question, but i'll ask anyway - what does

Re: [ccp4bb] How to merge data from 2 separate sections of same crystal

2012-12-11 Thread Phil Evans
The Pointless and the Pointless/Aimless tasks in ccp4i will allow multiple input MTZ (or XDS) files to be combined and scaled together. The combining is done in the program Pointless On 11 Dec 2012, at 03:51, Yuri Pompeu wrote: Thanks for all the suggestions on and off BB. I used the GUI

[ccp4bb] Today ...

2012-12-20 Thread Phil Evans
… is 20.12.2012 Happy Christmas everyone! Phil

Re: [ccp4bb] Which program sequence to use in transforming from P1 to orthorhombic?

2013-02-12 Thread Phil Evans
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 06:52:19PM +0100, Phil Evans wrote: Ah I'm not sure about that. It may be possible to tell ctruncate not to do this. Actually if you started with Fs you don't want to truncate the data. Maybe use old truncate with the notruncate option Phil Sent from my iPad

Re: [ccp4bb] Child Killed error in SCALA

2013-03-08 Thread Phil Evans
It's nothing to do with Scala! It's something to do with chaining successive programs in a task I think. I have seen it happen but I can't remember what the cause is Phil On 8 Mar 2013, at 11:49, Frank von Delft frank.vonde...@sgc.ox.ac.uk wrote: (Is it time to change the macabre title of

Re: [ccp4bb] space group determination problem

2013-03-15 Thread Phil Evans
what happened to all the even l h reflections? Phil On 15 Mar 2013, at 15:09, gengxiang zhao gzh...@gmail.com wrote: Dear CCP4s, I am looking for more experienced concerns to determine which space group my crystal is. At present, we take it as P42212 (#94). HKL is below:

Re: [ccp4bb] Why the name aimless

2013-05-02 Thread Phil Evans
Reference: Gibbons, S. (1932) Cold Comfort Farm, Longmans, London On 2 May 2013, at 11:07, Roberto Battistutta roberto.battistu...@unipd.it wrote: Hi everyone, just a curiosity, why the name aimless for the recent data reduction and analysis program in CCP4? You know, my students are

Re: [ccp4bb] Why the name aimless

2013-05-02 Thread Phil Evans
Entirely appropriate for data processing! and Aimless is clearly some sort of optimisation program :-) Phil On 2 May 2013, at 11:31, Andreas Förster docandr...@gmail.com wrote: Occasionally given to losing extremities. is that a good thing? Andreas On 02/05/2013 11:10, Phil Evans

Re: [ccp4bb] number of residues for converting intensities to sf for a protein/DNA complex

2007-04-12 Thread Phil Evans
This is not at all critical, as it is only used to put the data on a _very_ rough absolute scale ... but since a nucleic acid residue is about twice the size of a typical amino acid, you could say 111 Phil On 12 Apr 2007, at 12:03, Raymond Yengo wrote: Hi all, I am trying to convert

Re: [ccp4bb] Error with scala after combat

2007-04-27 Thread Phil Evans
I believe this is a combination of errors in COMBAT (not setting cell constraint flags correctly) and SCALA (not detecting properly that they are unset) I believe that I have fixed the Scala error in my latest version ftp://ftp.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/pub/pre/scala_3.2.28.tar.gz (I hope!) There

Re: [ccp4bb] Error with scala after combat

2007-04-27 Thread Phil Evans
An additional fix of Clemens' made in 3.2.29 ftp://ftp.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/scala_3.2.29.tar.gz Phil On 27 Apr 2007, at 10:10, Clemens Vonrhein wrote: Hi Phil, these diffs I made to 3.2.27 - seem to fix some other things too. Cheers Clemens On Fri, Apr 27, 2007 at 09:50:16AM +0100, Phil

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 GUI

2007-05-10 Thread Phil Evans
I always liked Kevin's comments on little-used options in the DM documentation Don't use these unless you really know what you are doing. In which case you'd better have a better idea of what you are doing than I do. Phil On 10 May 2007, at 13:07, Kevin Cowtan wrote: Miguel Ortiz

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 GUI

2007-05-11 Thread Phil Evans
I would agree with Clemens that the Scala GUI task generates far too many keyworded commands, for things which have sensible defaults in the program. One problem conundrum for the GUI (because it works by generating a script without actually running the program) is that the GUI has no

Re: [ccp4bb] The importance of USING our validation tools

2007-08-20 Thread Phil Evans
I worry a bit about some of this discussion, in that I wouldn't like the free-R-factor police to get too powerful. I imagine that many of us have struggled with datasets which are sub-optimal for all sorts of reasons (all crystals are multiple/split/twinned; substantial disordered

Re: [ccp4bb] Mean phase difference calculation

2007-08-29 Thread Phil Evans
Kevin Does this give the correlation between two (weighted) complex Fs, which is arguably (ref Bricogne) the best measure, as it corresponds to the map correlation but as a function of resolution? Phil On 28 Aug 2007, at 17:22, Kevin Cowtan wrote: Yup. cphasematch It gives unweighted

[ccp4bb] MSE

2007-08-30 Thread Phil Evans
flame As an aside, does anyone understand why MSE is not an amino-acid? Phil /flame On 30 Aug 2007, at 15:31, Clemens Vonrhein wrote: If your PDB file conforms to standard http://www.wwpdb.org/documentation/format23/sect9.html#ATOM you could do % egrep ^CRYST|^SCALE|^ATOM your.pdb

Re: [ccp4bb] pointless / batch number / axial hkl

2007-08-31 Thread Phil Evans
On 31 Aug 2007, at 21:52, Bryan W. Lepore wrote: [1] is there a way to make pointless read only up to a certain batch number? Not at present - I'll add it at some stage, it wouldn't be hard You can use rebatch to select batches [2] should pointless compare axial reflections along all

[ccp4bb] ccp4-dev

2007-09-13 Thread Phil Evans
Is there an archive of ccp4-dev? I can't find one Phil

Re: [ccp4bb] assigning water molecules to monomers

2007-10-03 Thread Phil Evans
sortwater (CCP4) will do this On 3 Oct 2007, at 15:57, Vineet Gaur wrote: Hi All i am solving a structure with four molecules in asymmetric unit. Initially i was refining the structure with four fold NCS, which now i have removed. i have picked some of the water molecules after

Re: [ccp4bb] Domain swapping..... and unswapping.

2007-10-05 Thread Phil Evans
We've had a case recently (unpublished) with 4 molecules in the asymmetric unit, two self-contained and two domain-swapped (asymmetrically) ... anything is possible, though in this case the domains are really separate proteins expressed as an artificial fusion Phil On 5 Oct 2007, at

Re: [ccp4bb] pointless (1.2.0) and enantiomorphic SG's

2007-11-09 Thread Phil Evans
It just picks the first in the list, to store in the output MTZ file, which can only handle one (92 96) Phil On 8 Nov 2007, at 22:26, Bryan W. Lepore wrote: when pointless (1.2.0) finds enantiomorphic SG's, what is the criterion for 'Selecting' one over the other? e.g. i ran pointless

Re: [ccp4bb] pointless (1.2.0) and enantiomorphic SG's

2007-11-09 Thread Phil Evans
I agree On 9 Nov 2007, at 13:50, Eleanor Dodson wrote: As I often say!!! The mtz format should carry point group and alternate SGs - then be upgraded when youknow the correct SG.. Eleanor Phil Evans wrote: It just picks the first in the list, to store in the output MTZ file, which can

Re: [ccp4bb] SORTMTZ error status = 256

2007-11-13 Thread Phil Evans
I don't know what this error is, but you might like to know that the program Pointless can be used as an alternative to sortmtz, with the bonus that it might help you determine the spacegroup You can get it either from our ftp site here eg

Re: [ccp4bb] Poinless and space group P 4 3 2

2007-11-13 Thread Phil Evans
You should certainly try the other P 4x 3 2 space groups (x=1,2,3) in case the assignment of screw axes is wrong Phil On 13 Nov 2007, at 13:17, Kristof Van Hecke wrote: Dear all, When running Pointless 1.2.0 (see summary below), I get the cubic space group P 4 3 2 (mosflm gave P 2 3

[ccp4bb] Unmerged output from Scala

2007-11-19 Thread Phil Evans
is wrong since they have been applied already) Will this cause anyone problems? I suspect that very few people or programs are using this file Phil Evans

Re: [ccp4bb] Unmerged output from Scala

2007-11-20 Thread Phil Evans
From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Phil Evans Sent: Mon 19/11/2007 5:07 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Unmerged output from Scala Is anyone using the OUTPUT UNMERGED option in Scala? This file contains columns called SCALE SIGSCALE which are the applied scale and its

Re: [ccp4bb] Rotation search using the Patterson in a non-spherical neighbourhood of the origin

2007-12-02 Thread Phil Evans
The maximum likelihood method used in Phaser doesn't use any cut-off as it doesn't use the Patterson formulation. It might work better for such an elongated case Phil On 28 Nov 2007, at 17:04, Pietro Roversi wrote: Dear everyone, is any of the

Re: [ccp4bb] scale data with multiple MTZ files

2008-01-11 Thread Phil Evans
There is an (possibly) easier way now in pre-release 1) Download install (manually) from the CCP4 pre-release site the program pointless and the ccp4i task interface 2) Use the Find or Match Laue Group option (under Data Reduction) to open the interface window to the program Pointless

Re: [ccp4bb] scale data with multiple MTZ files

2008-01-11 Thread Phil Evans
pointless now does this Phil On 11 Jan 2008, at 11:05, Frank von Delft wrote: There's a way to avoid having to do this - use the ADD sub- keyword when processing in Mosflm, so that the batch number for each image data is given an offset; see Nevertheless, it *is* a right-royal pain in the

Re: [ccp4bb] differences between Rsym and Rmerge

2008-01-22 Thread Phil Evans
I thought that as author of Scala I might put in my 2 penn'th to this discussion, FWIW 1. I've never been able to find any useful distinction between Rsym Rmerge, and when filling in the PDBs request for both (undefined by them and irritatingly restricted to 0.99, at least in Autodep) I

Re: [ccp4bb] xds to mtz using pointless

2008-02-20 Thread Phil Evans
There was a bug in Pointless for XDS reading due to my misunderstanding of the STARTING_FRAME value, which is fixed in version 1.2.13, available from ftp://ftp.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/pub/pre/pointless-1.2.13.linux (eg) Otherwise if you send me the file I'll investigate Phil On 20 Feb 2008,

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS and overlaps

2008-02-21 Thread Phil Evans
That was _supposed_ to say I'm not sure ... ! On 21 Feb 2008, at 21:01, Phil Evans wrote: On 21 Feb 2008, at 18:24, George M. Sheldrick wrote: All SHELX programs and XPREP are also indifferent to the asu choice and to whether the data have been merged or not (even SHELX-76). It is CCP4

[ccp4bb] XDS pointless

2008-02-22 Thread Phil Evans
Since there has been mention of putting data from XDS into Pointless, I should say that I have made yet another (!) fix today for reading XDS data. It now flags ignores reflections marked as MISFITS in the XDS file (marked with SD 0). Previous versions included these reflections which at

Re: [ccp4bb] MTZ cell troubles after sortmtz reindexing from P321 to C2

2008-03-07 Thread Phil Evans
As Graeme says, Pointless should sort this out for you, either from CCP4 pre-release, or from ftp://ftp.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/pub/pre Phil On 7 Mar 2008, at 20:25, Winter, G (Graeme) wrote: Hi Pietro, I would use pointless for this - it will correctly reindex the reflections and sort them to

Re: [ccp4bb] exclude range within data in scala , discontinuous run in scala problem

2008-03-14 Thread Phil Evans
In ccp4i Scala task, click to open the Excluded data panel, click on Exclude selected batches There you can define one or more ranges of batches or lists to exclude If you just want to exclude the last part you can define a range eg 301 to 999 You don't need to explicitly define runs

Re: [ccp4bb] exclude range within data in scala , discontinuous run in scala problem

2008-03-15 Thread Phil Evans
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Phil Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In ccp4i Scala task, click to open the Excluded data panel, click on Exclude selected batches There you can define one or more ranges of batches or lists to exclude If you just want to exclude the last part

Re: [ccp4bb] Pointless 1.2.15 and ccp4i

2008-03-27 Thread Phil Evans
I've had some problems getting recent versions of Pointless to link in a portable way, due to a new call into the CCP4 library, this can cause segfaults on some systems. I keep hoping someone will tel me how to get round this (a ccp4 routine calls getpwid which apparently cannot be static) You

Re: [ccp4bb] Pointless Error.

2008-05-23 Thread Phil Evans
This problem probably dates from when I updated my machine to Leopard It shouldn't be too difficult to build from source: the Makefile shuld (more or less) work It will be in the imminent(ish) new CCP4 release 6.1 Phil Thanks Graeme - the ppc version works fine on my intel machine, both

Re: [ccp4bb] NAp dictionary

2008-07-01 Thread Phil Evans
It's odd because coot gives flat riboses even if you remove all the torsion info from the dictionary Phil On 1 Jul 2008, at 15:31, Jim Naismith wrote: I don't know how many of you are frustrated with AO5* in NADP NAP (and in NAD). I trolled the web looking for a solution but did not find

Re: [ccp4bb] Using multiple crystals for structure solution in P1 using MAD/SAS/SAD

2008-07-23 Thread Phil Evans
Scala has an option (ANOMALOUS MATCH INRUN) to select matching Bijvoet pairs, which will have a similar effect to average DelAnom, but when I've tried it, it has given worse results than just chucking everything in together Phil On 23 Jul 2008, at 16:53, Bart Hazes wrote: Jacob Keller

Re: [ccp4bb] MR problem --molrep

2008-07-25 Thread Phil Evans
Perhaps obvious - are you sure the space group is C222 not C2221? Phil On 25 Jul 2008, at 14:19, Roger Rowlett wrote: Carl Soja wrote: Dear all I tried to solve one structure by ccp4i molrep(resolution at 3.0 A, space group C222, sequence ID 30%). I can get a good Rfactor 0.528 at first

[ccp4bb] Rotation axis

2008-07-29 Thread Phil Evans
If I've go a superposition transformation (x' = Rx + t), as it happens from a superposition in ccp4mg, how do I get the position direction of the rotation axis (to draw in a picture)? I know that any (orthonormal) transformation can be represented as a rotation about an axis + a screw

Re: [ccp4bb] multiple XNAME scala? and changing DNAMEs

2008-07-30 Thread Phil Evans
, but at present I think it gets it wrong with multiple datasets. I'll look into it Phil On 29 Jul 2008, at 23:07, hari jayaram wrote: Hello Phil Evans, Thanks a lot for your reply. Pointless worked great to edit XNAME and DNAME for unmerged mtz files. We are now taking multiple crystal

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