Re: [ccp4bb] coupling between occupancy and b-values in refinement

2009-06-01 Thread mb1pja
Dear Patrick Long ago we (Cheetham et a (1992) J Molec Biol 224:613-628) did some refinements on hen lysozyme + substrate complexes at 1.75A and 2A resolution and showed that B and occupancy are negatively correlated, especially at 2.0A. In simplistic terms this is because at medium

Re: [ccp4bb] coupling between occupancy and b-values in refinement

2009-06-01 Thread Ian Tickle
To: Patrick Loll Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] coupling between occupancy and b-values in refinement Dear Pat, You don't say how large your ligand is, but if the occupancy is refined as a single parameter so that all the atoms in the ligand are constrained to have

Re: [ccp4bb] coupling between occupancy and b-values in refinement

2009-06-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
2009 17:20 To: Patrick Loll Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] coupling between occupancy and b-values in refinement Dear Pat, You don't say how large your ligand is, but if the occupancy is refined as a single parameter so that all the atoms in the ligand are constrained

[ccp4bb] coupling between occupancy and b-values in refinement

2009-05-31 Thread Patrick Loll
Hi all, I'm looking for a reference to bolster my response to a referee, in which I defend my decision not to refine the occupancy of a ligand in structure refined at around 2 A resolution (note the ligand binding slte lies on a two-fold crystallographic axis, so the maximum occupancy is

Re: [ccp4bb] coupling between occupancy and b-values in refinement

2009-05-31 Thread Poul Nissen
If there is serious doubt of a full occupancy of the ligand and it is of importance for the interpreation it can in fact be handled and even at lower resolution (we have done it 2.8 Å resolution for PDB 2C8K for example) - I'm not the referee but maybe he/she is right ;-) You need not refine

Re: [ccp4bb] coupling between occupancy and b-values in refinement

2009-05-31 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Dear Pat, You don't say how large your ligand is, but if the occupancy is refined as a single parameter so that all the atoms in the ligand are constrained to have the same occupancy, it should be rather well-defined and not highly correlated with the B-values. By the way, I was not your referee!

Re: [ccp4bb] coupling between occupancy and b-values in refinement

2009-05-31 Thread John Badger
Simple test is to vary the occupancy (say increments of 0.1) and check for residual densities following quickie refinements on each. Then at least you know if you can make a conclusion or not. I suppose you could also try refining coupled occupancies on ligand-sized chunks of the protein to