Re: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2020-06-19 11:27 p.m., Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > >> Images take up a lot of space and are best dealt with via links. > > Which rot over time. > > If you're going to create a permanent archive, you need to archive any > attachments as well. > > http://www.vcfed.org/forum is a perfect

Re: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Images take up a lot of space and are best dealt with via links. On Fri, 19 Jun 2020, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: Which rot over time. If you're going to create a permanent archive, you need to archive any attachments as well. http://www.vcfed.org/forum is a perfect example of messages full

Re: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
Images take up a lot of space and are best dealt with via links. Which rot over time. If you're going to create a permanent archive, you need to archive any attachments as well. http://www.vcfed.org/forum is a perfect example of messages full of link rot.

Re: CSPI SC-3XL and SC-4XL documentation?

2020-06-19 Thread Chris Hanson via cctalk
It looks like what I’m looking for from CSPI (aka CSP, Inc.) is the “SuperKit” board support, function, and RPC library for the SuperCard SC-3XL and SC-4XL, along with their documentation. There are mentions of it in the Wayback Machine for http://www.cspi.com/ and the vendor is still around,

Re: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk
Agree that current mailing list format is best as simple, low bandwidth and can always post links to images or other large files. I still use Eudora as my email client and have text only emails. Seems to perplex a lot of people I deal with when I can't read their emails, but it seems

Re: Someone's confused

2020-06-19 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Yes, there was D and F, and F and G versions. Everything else was emulated slowly. Putt putt it was On 6/8/2020 3:26 PM, emanuel stiebler wrote: On 2020-06-08 11:55, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: 4) The 11/730 could emulate pdp11 instructions, the MV1 could not. Come to think of it I

Re: New drive for my 11/83....

2020-06-19 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Follow-up: Drive is working well and now has a real virgin install of M+ 4.6 on it. I also was able to make a TK50 backup tape of it, and even remembered how to make BRU64K bootable on a RX01 floppy so I can restore it :-) Next step will be to get the 383mb Wren VI disk up and going. ESDI

Re: Fixing an RK8E ....

2020-06-19 Thread Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk
On 6/19/2020 12:24 PM, Robert Armstrong via cctalk wrote: Ok, maybe a bad bit in the command register so I'll check it out. But then it dawns on me - how do you work on this thing? It's three boards connected with "over the top" connectors - you can't use a module extender on it. Worse, the

Re: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Or an http, https, ftp, or gopher url to somewhere else hosting the image. On Fri, 19 Jun 2020, Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk wrote: Well, not everyone can afford to host their own site, for various reasons, and if hosting externally you have to agree to T's you may not necessarily be happy

Re: Fixing an RK8E ....

2020-06-19 Thread Guy Sotomayor via cctalk
On Fri, 2020-06-19 at 12:24 -0700, Robert Armstrong via cctech wrote: > It appears that my RK8E has a problem - it fails the diskless > control test > with > > .R DHRKAE.DG > SR= > > COMMAND REGISTER ERROR > PC:1160 GD: CM:0001 > DHRKAE FAILED PC:6726

Re: Fixing an RK8E ....

2020-06-19 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:24 PM Robert Armstrong via cctech < cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: > It appears that my RK8E has a problem - it fails the diskless control > test > with > > .R DHRKAE.DG > SR= > > COMMAND REGISTER ERROR > PC:1160 GD: CM:0001 >

Fixing an RK8E ....

2020-06-19 Thread Robert Armstrong via cctalk
It appears that my RK8E has a problem - it fails the diskless control test with .R DHRKAE.DG SR= COMMAND REGISTER ERROR PC:1160 GD: CM:0001 DHRKAE FAILED PC:6726 AC: MQ: FL: WAITING Ok, maybe a bad bit in the command

Re: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020, Patrick Finnegan via cctalk wrote: > > Sure, there's always `uuencode' when you do need to post that non-text > > piece (which I guess will keep the eyes of Luddites away from it too). > > > > Or an http, https, ftp, or gopher url to somewhere else hosting the image. Well,

Re: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Patrick Finnegan via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 3:31 PM Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Sure, there's always `uuencode' when you do need to post that non-text > piece (which I guess will keep the eyes of Luddites away from it too). > Or an http, https, ftp, or gopher url to somewhere else

RE: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
Dave Wade wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Ethan Dicks > > Sent: 19 June 2020 15:44 > > To: Dave Wade ; General Discussion: On-Topic > > and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of > > cctalk/cctech > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:26

Re: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: > > It's time to adopt a platform that can handle modern mail. Some may still > > choose a degraded experience, but everyone is entitled to their own fetish. > > Any old mail client can read "modern mail": MIME is designed to be >

Re: : Unknown Intel blinkenlight panel circa 1973

2020-06-19 Thread Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk
UNIBUS. Cable plugged into a UNIBUS slot connected to an external box with up to 128Kwords. > On Jun 19, 2020, at 4:07 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > >> From: Camiel Vanderhoeven > >> I know Intel made the in-4011 for the PDP-11, but I never saw a picture >> of it. > > Was it UNIBUS

Re: PLATO V Terminal

2020-06-19 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 19, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > > Paul Koning wrote: >>> I think Greg Thompson said he brought Maze to MIT in 1974. Wikipedia >>> says 1973. The game was first developed at NASA Ames in 1972. >> Ok, chances are that predates PLATO MUGs by 2-3 years. > > Spasim from

Re: PLATO V Terminal

2020-06-19 Thread Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
Paul Koning wrote: >> I think Greg Thompson said he brought Maze to MIT in 1974. Wikipedia >> says 1973. The game was first developed at NASA Ames in 1972. > Ok, chances are that predates PLATO MUGs by 2-3 years. Spasim from 1974 is usually regarded as contemporary with Maze. I'm not so sure

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Farewell Etaoin Shrdlu

2020-06-19 Thread rar via cctalk
We have a working Linotype at the System Source Computer Museum in Hunt Valley Maryland. Open now only by appointment with a maximum of two masked visitors due to COVID https://museum.syssrc.com Bob Roswell -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Alan Perry via cctalk Sent:

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 19, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk > wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:26 AM Dave Wade via cctalk > wrote: >> Its been ages since I did this but looking here >> >> https://www.aggsoft.com/rs232-pinout-cable/RS232.htm >> >> I see we have a transmit clock output on

Re: Farewell Etaoin Shrdlu

2020-06-19 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
On 6/17/20 1:27 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Jun 17, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: https://archive.org/details/FarewellEtaoinShrdlu 28min documentary on the last ever edition of the NY Times to be printed using hot metal -- before they switched to what are now

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On 19/06/2020 11:07, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: I already tried extracting ZSDRIVER.EXE from the DECnet/OSI kit for VAX/VMS 7.3 and placing it in SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES but ZSA0: remained stubbornly offline until I installed the rest of DECnet/OSI and the LES$ACP_V30 process started. I think

Re: : Unknown Intel blinkenlight panel circa 1973

2020-06-19 Thread Joshua Rice via cctalk
> On Jun 19, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > > BTW, speaking of Intel PDP-11 memory, I have this: > >http://gunkies.org/wiki/File:IN-1611.jpg > > QBUS Intel memory board; hven't tried to get it running, though. > > Noel > I have a similar M8044 DD PDP-11

Re: PLATO V Terminal

2020-06-19 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 19, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk > wrote: > > Noel Chiappa wrote: >>> Paul Koning wrote: >>> airfight and any number of other multi-user games -- a thing made >>> popular by PLATO and possibly originated there. >> >> What was the date on that? Multi-player MazeWar

Re: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 17:36, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: > There are *no* "modern" newsreaders, > apart from the occasional kitchen-sink monstrosity which does nothing well.) There was... https://panic.com/blog/the-future-of-unison/ -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk
On 2020-06-19 11:43 a.m., Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:26 AM Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: Its been ages since I did this but looking here https://www.aggsoft.com/rs232-pinout-cable/RS232.htm I see we have a transmit clock output on pin 24, transmit clock input on

RE: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: Ethan Dicks > Sent: 19 June 2020 15:44 > To: Dave Wade ; General Discussion: On-Topic > and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of > cctalk/cctech > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:26 AM Dave Wade via cctalk >

Re: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 10:28:05PM -0400, Tony Aiuto via cctalk wrote: [...] > And sometimes, a picture really is worth 1000 words. But pictures also consume magnitudes-of-order more resources than a thousand words, and should be used rather more judiciously than they are. > A tiny SVG diagram

Re: PLATO V Terminal

2020-06-19 Thread Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
Noel Chiappa wrote: > > Paul Koning wrote: > > airfight and any number of other multi-user games -- a thing made > > popular by PLATO and possibly originated there. > > What was the date on that? Multi-player MazeWar on the Imlacs/ITS at > MIT was running before 1976 (I played it about then), but

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:26 AM Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: > Its been ages since I did this but looking here > > https://www.aggsoft.com/rs232-pinout-cable/RS232.htm > > I see we have a transmit clock output on pin 24, transmit clock input on 15 > and RX clock input on 17. > So if on checking

Re: Future of classiccmp

2020-06-19 Thread Adrian Stoness via cctalk
You forgot to mention the freenode irc channel as well Sent from my iPad > On Jun 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, jwest--- via cctech > wrote: > > The period of me making decisions about the list is coming to an end, but > based on all the posts I just caught up with here's some thoughts: > > I

Re: : Unknown Intel blinkenlight panel circa 1973

2020-06-19 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Camiel Vanderhoeven > I know Intel made the in-4011 for the PDP-11, but I never saw a picture > of it. Was it UNIBUS memory, or what? It doesn't seem to be in that table of early Intel products. BTW, speaking of Intel PDP-11 memory, I have this:

Re: PLATO V Terminal

2020-06-19 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Paul Koning > airfight and any number of other multi-user games -- a thing made > popular by PLATO and possibly originated there. What was the date on that? Multi-player MazeWar on the Imlacs/ITS at MIT was running before 1976 (I played it about then), but I don't recall

Re: Origin of 3-D printing (again)

2020-06-19 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 07:27, Stan Sieler via cctalk wrote: > > Hi, > > Back in 2017, I posted something about seeing a possible first-ever > reference to the idea of 3-D printing in a 1951 issue of Galaxy Science > Fiction magazine. > > I stumbled over an even earlier one tonight... > > The

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 19, 2020, at 6:07 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk > wrote: > >> ... > > The specifications manual says that the maximum speed for the DST32 is > 19200 bps (for HDLC or SDLC) or 9600 bps (for DDCMP) but worryingly > doesn't list a speed for BISYNC which is what I want to do with it :-(

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
Antonio Carlini wrote: On 18/06/2020 14:06, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: > > I have found the whole thing very confusing too.  My suspicion was also > that they were pretty much the same thing but the DST32 had exernal > connectors suitable for mounting in a MicroVAX 2000 while the DST32 had

Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:21:14AM +0100, Pete Turnbull via cctalk wrote: > [...] Some of the UK banking systems like HOBS survived using viewdata that > way up to the end of the 1990s, and I still have at least a couple of 1275 > modems. Hobbyists are still running Viewdata BBSes. Here's one

Re: Ancient transistor ?computer board (Peter Van Peborgh)

2020-06-19 Thread Rod Smallwood via cctalk
Core memory driver board? On 19/06/2020 02:22, Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk wrote: Remember buying boards like that at electronics surplus places in late 60's but never knew where they came from.  Just used them as a cheap source of parts.  Also suspect the black boxes are pulse transformers

RE: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of cctalk/cctech

2020-06-19 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Peter Coghlan > via cctalk > Sent: 18 June 2020 23:11 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Synchronous serial Re: E-Mail Formats RE: Future of > cctalk/cctech > > Ethan Dicks wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 18,