[CentOS-docs] Postfix howto update for 6

2011-06-15 Thread Ned Slider
Hi list, As the author of the Postfix howto: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/postfix I'm receiving some feedback that some things have changed in el6 (e.g, dovecot confs). As I don't have any plans to update my mail server to el6 (I intend to run el5 until EOL), does anyone have any interest

Re: [CentOS-virt] My CentOS in VMware can't find my wireless card

2011-06-15 Thread liming wu
Thank you for your help,I'll try this. By the way, i make it work using the windows driver. But it can't connect to the AP with weak signal. Maybe it's still unstable. Thank you! 2011/6/14 Phil Schaffner philip.r.schaff...@nasa.gov liming wu wrote on 06/12/2011 09:05 PM: Now i have done

Re: [CentOS-es] Problemas con la sincronización de discos en Centos metodo software

2011-06-15 Thread Oriol Borràs
OK, Ahi te mando las configuraciones que me has pedido: Tengo dos discos duros, que como bien te he dicho hay que conseguir sincronizarlos. Lo estoy haciendo por software. Muchas gracias otra vez por la ayuda, si sabes como ayudarme, estoy delante del servidor para ir mirando las cosas que

Re: [CentOS-es] Problemas con la sincronización de discos en Centos metodo software

2011-06-15 Thread Eduardo Grosclaude
2011/6/15 Oriol Borràs obor...@jsf.es: OK, Ahi te mando las configuraciones que me has pedido: Si quieres seguir adelante, cópianos el resultado de hacer mdadm --detail /dev/md0 mdadm --detail /dev/md1 A qué te refieres con que has editado todo el apartado de Grub? Cuéntame con todo el

Re: [CentOS-es] Problemas con la sincronización de discos en Centos metodo software

2011-06-15 Thread Oriol Borràs
no me ha llegado nada tuyo creo escrito eduardo Oriol Borràs JSF Software, S.L. De: centos-es-boun...@centos.org en nombre de Eduardo Grosclaude Enviado el: mié 15/06/2011 14:10 Para: centos-es@centos.org Asunto: Re: [CentOS-es]Problemas con la sincronización

Re: [CentOS-es] Dudas sobre manuales de referencia centos 5.5

2011-06-15 Thread Carlos Ernesto Pruna
Si alguien tiene el manual de joel barrios director de alcance libre en formato pdf u otro manual sobre centos. se los agradecería Salu2 -- Carlos Ernesto Pruna carlosepc@gmail.com == LinuxUser Registered: #413305 http://counter.li.org UbuntuUser Registered: #17735

[CentOS-es] Spacewalk sobre CentOS

2011-06-15 Thread vicos...@gmail.com
Hola a todos, ¿Alguno tiene montado Spacewalk 1.4 sobre CentOS 5? Tengo unas dudillas sobre el tema de los Kickstart sobre Spacewalk. Saludos. --- Jose Antonio Vico Palomino E-Mail: vicos...@gmail.com *Algunos Blogs en los que participo:* *Corazón de La Mancha. - www.vicosoft.org

Re: [CentOS-es] Dudas sobre manuales de referencia centos 5.5

2011-06-15 Thread Ricardo David Carrillo Sanchez
http://www.alcancelibre.org/filemgmt/index.php?id=1 http://www.centos.org/docs/5/ **http://docs.redhat.com/docs/es-ES/index.html Saludos -- Ricardo David Carrillo Sánchez Administrador de Sistemas Analista de Seguridad Informática PGP/GPG key fingerprint: 7AD4 6D7B A09B C010 8445 31F4 92C2 DDFA

Re: [CentOS-es] Duda sobre permisos

2011-06-15 Thread Ricardo David Carrillo Sanchez
No te enendi bien, puedes especificar màs que es lo que requieres sobre la asignación de permisos..? Saludos -- Ricardo David Carrillo Sánchez Administrador de Sistemas Analista de Seguridad Informática PGP/GPG key fingerprint: 7AD4 6D7B A09B C010 8445 31F4 92C2 DDFA 2DA0 E376 PGP/GPG public

Re: [CentOS-es] Problemas con la sincronización de discos en Centos metodo software

2011-06-15 Thread Eduardo Grosclaude
2011/6/15 Oriol Borràs obor...@jsf.es: no me ha llegado nada tuyo creo escrito eduardo Porque necesito que envíes el resultado de los siguientes comandos para poder diagnosticar mdadm --detail /dev/md0 mdadm --detail /dev/md1 -- Eduardo Grosclaude Universidad Nacional del Comahue Neuquen,

Re: [CentOS-es] Dudas sobre manuales de referencia centos 5.5

2011-06-15 Thread Edg@r Rodolfo
El día 13 de junio de 2011 16:24, Carlos Ernesto Pruna carlosepc@gmail.com escribió: Si alguien tiene el manual de joel barrios director de alcance libre en formato pdf u otro manual sobre centos. se los agradecería Hola! Amigo como estas? seguro que bien, pues si existe lo que pides y en

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Ron Blizzard wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have something other than an intel wifi chip? No, not any more. I had a Broadcom card, but an older laptop we gave away needed a WiFi card, so I invested $12 into an Intel card on eBay

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 13:37 +0930, Mark Bradbury wrote: On 13 June 2011 23:53, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote: I just want to say that I really, really, appreciate the information given on this site:

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 09:19 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 06:49 -0400, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 09:22 -0700, Craig White wrote: easier just to give up - I moved my new servers to ubuntu - no more new CentOS installs any

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 11:06 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Benjamin Franz wrote: On 06/14/2011 06:19 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Timeliness, dunno. Ubuntu (or fedora) for production? NOT IF I HAVE ANY CONTROL!!! Given how many developers write incredibly fragile code, that is utterly

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 08:52 -0700, Jerry Franz wrote: On 06/14/2011 08:41 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Yeah, but some people appear to think (or at least that was what I got from the post of the guy I was replying to) that fedora is good enough for production. *blink* Absolutely not.

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 13:37 +0930, Mark Bradbury wrote: On 13 June 2011 23:53, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote: I just want to say that I really, really, appreciate the information given on this site:

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Tommy E Craddock Jr
On Jun 15, 2011, at 4:50 AM, Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 08:52 -0700, Jerry Franz wrote: Like RHEL/CentOS, Ubuntu LTS is absolutely appropriate for server use. In fact, it's sort of refreshing to set up a new server that isn't overloaded with bloat from the very start.

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4

2011-06-15 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Les Mikesell wrote on Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:13:08 -0500: Are the updates supposed to be synced to the mirrors before the announce message goes out? Of course, and you know that. Announce goes out when most mirrors *should* have it, not earlier. But some may still not have it. Kai

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs wrote: Since Pentium Pro, only old 400 MHz-bus versions of the Pentium M lack PAE support. This laptop is a Latitude D400, which I think were made in 2005. It definitely doesn't have PAE support. I discovered that when I

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Craig White wrote: I actually use Fedora for my Desktop. It dual boots to Ubuntu but I don't often use it. The only reason that I ever saw people using Fedora for production was because the RHEL/CentOS software packages were so completely out-of-date. Time from CentOS 5.0 to 6.0 was marked

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Ron Blizzard wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs wrote: Since Pentium Pro, only old 400 MHz-bus versions of the Pentium M lack PAE support. This laptop is a Latitude D400, which I think were made in 2005. It definitely doesn't have PAE support. I

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Simon Matter
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 08:52 -0700, Jerry Franz wrote: On 06/14/2011 08:41 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Yeah, but some people appear to think (or at least that was what I got from the post of the guy I was replying to) that fedora is good enough for production. *blink* Absolutely not.

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Timothy Murphy
Les Mikesell wrote: Most of the stuff that you have to use 3rd party repos to get on CentOS is in the stock ubuntu repositories in usably recent versions. I've found 99% of the things I need on a CentOS (which I only use on home servers) is in the epel repository if it is not in the CentOS

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Nicolas Thierry-Mieg
Timothy Murphy wrote: Am I alone in regarding epel as more or less a part of CentOS? Does it have a rival in this role? you may not be alone, but you're still wrong: epel is not part of centos at all. It's just another third party repo. There are others including some reputable and widely

Re: [CentOS] OT: high static in server room

2011-06-15 Thread Brunner, Brian T.
centos-boun...@centos.org wrote: On 06/14/11 5:04 PM, Fajar Priyanto wrote: What is the worst thing can happen from excessive static? ESD (Electro-static Discharge) is the Radioactive Crystal Meth of computers. How much you can take before you exhibit measurable capability loss is a detail of

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread gvim
On 14/06/2011 22:52, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: What 24th are you talking about? Karanbir Singh's Twitter posts had an entry dated 10th June which mentioned the postponement. However, I see it's been pulled now. gvim ___ CentOS mailing list

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 06/15/2011 02:37 PM, gvim wrote: Karanbir Singh's Twitter posts had an entry dated 10th June which mentioned the postponement. However, I see it's been pulled now. erm, I havent deleted anything. Are you confusing accounts somewhere ? - KB ___

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 06/13/2011 05:56 PM, NOYK wrote: No. Given the economy people are trying to make systems last as long as possible and this is just 6.0 not 6.1. Smart folks will test 6.0 to see how apps perform/behave and then wait till 6.1. Never go to a major revision.0 unless you are forced. hopefully

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4

2011-06-15 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 06/14/2011 06:13 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Are the updates supposed to be synced to the mirrors before the announce message goes out? Only a random few machines could get these updates yesterday. http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2010/01/04/ has the process. There is a mirror check cycle,

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread gvim
On 15/06/2011 14:53, Karanbir Singh wrote: erm, I havent deleted anything. Are you confusing accounts somewhere Sorry, it was not your Twitter account but one belonging to cybernautape http://twitter.com/#!/CentOS6/status/79206786703433728 gvim

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 06/15/2011 02:59 PM, gvim wrote: On 15/06/2011 14:53, Karanbir Singh wrote: erm, I havent deleted anything. Are you confusing accounts somewhere Sorry, it was not your Twitter account but one belonging to cybernautape http://twitter.com/#!/CentOS6/status/79206786703433728 I dont know

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread gvim
On 15/06/2011 14:53, Karanbir Singh wrote: erm, I havent deleted anything. Are you confusing accounts somewhere ? This was the original entry I saw: http://twitter.com/#!/CentOS6/ gvim ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] OT: high static in server room

2011-06-15 Thread Lamar Owen
On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 09:12:44 AM Brunner, Brian T. wrote: Damage to circuitry is not all instant-or-never; damaged junctions can take their own time (sometimes zero) to degenerate from damaged-but-perfectly-functional to occasional errors to persistent failure. The bullet-wound analogy

Re: [CentOS] OT: high static in server room

2011-06-15 Thread m . roth
Lamar Owen wrote: On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 09:12:44 AM Brunner, Brian T. wrote: Damage to circuitry is not all instant-or-never; damaged junctions can take their own time (sometimes zero) to degenerate from damaged-but-perfectly-functional to occasional errors to persistent failure. snip

Re: [CentOS] Dell openmanage srvadmin on 5.6

2011-06-15 Thread Roy Trubshaw
Kevin wrote: I'm just trying to get Dell openmanage to run on my Centos 5.6 box. The monitoring [ Snipped ] Can anyone point me at a suitable rpm, or do I have to resort to compiling it? Surely I'm not the only one trying to do this. -- Kevin Thorpe This is my fault. I enabled

Re: [CentOS] OT: high static in server room

2011-06-15 Thread Kevin Thorpe
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 3:13 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 09:12:44 AM Brunner, Brian T. wrote: Damage to circuitry is not all instant-or-never; damaged junctions can take their own time (sometimes zero) to degenerate from

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
gvim wrote: On 15/06/2011 14:53, Karanbir Singh wrote: erm, I havent deleted anything. Are you confusing accounts somewhere ? This was the original entry I saw: http://twitter.com/#!/CentOS6/ gvim I assume that that person made an typo. There was announcement that it will be released

[CentOS] Mirror URL Times Out

2011-06-15 Thread Torintino T
Dear All, I am using Centos 4.7, i have an issue when i run yum update, the URL times-out even when i browse it on firefox #yum update php Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/updates/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 12] Timeout: urlopen

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/15/2011 6:54 AM, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote: Timothy Murphy wrote: Am I alone in regarding epel as more or less a part of CentOS? Does it have a rival in this role? you may not be alone, but you're still wrong: epel is not part of centos at all. It's just another third party repo.

[CentOS] Folklore collections (was:Re: OT: high static in server room)

2011-06-15 Thread Lamar Owen
On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:13:20 AM m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Ever heard the old, old m'frame (I think) story, of the guy who needed to do a backup, and the tape failed, and they had to go to an older one. Yeah, I've read that one, and it is a nice lesson. For more of the same (rather than

Re: [CentOS] OT: high static in server room

2011-06-15 Thread m . roth
Kevin Thorpe wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 3:13 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 09:12:44 AM Brunner, Brian T. wrote: Damage to circuitry is not all instant-or-never; damaged junctions can take their own time (sometimes zero) to degenerate from

Re: [CentOS] Mirror URL Times Out

2011-06-15 Thread John Doe
From: Torintino T torinti...@live.com  I am using Centos 4.7, i have an issue when i run yum update, the URL times-out even when i browse it on firefox ...  http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/updates/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno Works fine here...Maybe try the url with wget and, if they

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4

2011-06-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/15/2011 8:59 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 06/14/2011 06:13 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Are the updates supposed to be synced to the mirrors before the announce message goes out? Only a random few machines could get these updates yesterday. http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2010/01/04/

Re: [CentOS] OT: high static in server room

2011-06-15 Thread Kevin Thorpe
Oh, that's ok: a friend of mine (who posts here occasionally) got to blow up at someone(s) in his wife's office, where he comes in as a consultant: someone had plugged a kettle? microwave? (I forget) into the orange box that was labelled computer equipment only (Hope you don't mind me telling

Re: [CentOS] OT: high static in server room

2011-06-15 Thread Christopher Chan
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:46 AM, Kevin Thorpe wrote: Oh, that's ok: a friend of mine (who posts here occasionally) got to blow up at someone(s) in his wife's office, where he comes in as a consultant: someone had plugged a kettle? microwave? (I forget) into the orange box that was labelled

Re: [CentOS] Mirror URL Times Out

2011-06-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Torintino T wrote: Dear All, I am using Centos 4.7, i have an issue when i run yum update, the URL times-out even when i browse it on firefox #yum update php Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/updates/i386/repodata/repomd.xml:

Re: [CentOS] OT: high static in server room

2011-06-15 Thread Dan Carl
On 6/14/2011 7:04 PM, Fajar Priyanto wrote: Thanks all for the reply. What is the worst thing can happen from excessive static? We have two corrupted UEFI when we reboot servers which now I suspect because of static. Yesterday I actually saw a spark when I put a memory module on motherboard

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Ron Blizzard rb4cen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't generalize based on your experience because Mint hasn't become a very popular distribution by being broken. Same goes for Ubuntu. I don't

Re: [CentOS] OT: high static in server room

2011-06-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Dan Carl wrote: If you spend a lot of time in your server room, you might also consider a fish tank. It will add moisture to your room and give you something to look at other than flashing leds:-) Actually, scientist say that 5 minutes of looking at the fish tank can greatly reduce

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 5:09 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs wrote: ElRepo has kernel modules already compiled: http://elrepo.org/tiki/kmod-nvidia so I guess it should be OK. Playing around with recompiling nVidia drivers was a real pain in a Bookmarked. Thanks. -- RonB --

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:50 AM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: Like RHEL/CentOS, Ubuntu LTS is absolutely appropriate for server use. In fact, it's sort of refreshing to set up a new server that isn't overloaded with bloat from the very start. Setting up a new VMWare image w/

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Ron Blizzard rb4cen...@gmail.com wrote: Mint/Ubuntu don't have an easy way to boot into the command line. To boot into everything but X, you can append text to the kernel (grub1) or linux (grub2) line in the grub configuration.

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Ron Blizzard rb4cen...@gmail.com wrote: Mint/Ubuntu don't have an easy way to boot into the command line. To boot into everything but X, you can append text to the kernel (grub1) or linux

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/13/2011 10:12 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote: Never wait until revision.1 unless there's a good reason. :-) http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rhel-server-6-errata.html There are a number of Important reasons not to deploy 6.0 for public-facing systems. ___

Re: [CentOS] OT: high static in server room

2011-06-15 Thread John R. Dennison
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 09:20:44PM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Actually, scientist say that 5 minutes of looking at the fish tank can greatly reduce stress. Sad that the same thing can't be said for off-topic threads like this in a topical mailing list.

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Paul Heinlein
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 06/13/2011 10:12 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote: Never wait until revision.1 unless there's a good reason. :-) http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rhel-server-6-errata.html There are a number of Important reasons not to deploy 6.0 for public-facing systems.

[CentOS] Config file semantics.

2011-06-15 Thread Mike A. Harris
Personally, I find that indenting config files by 3 spaces has a lot of advantages to indenting them by 4 spaces although conventional wisdom might suggest otherwise. Who's with me on this? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] Config file semantics.

2011-06-15 Thread John R. Dennison
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 04:41:44PM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: Personally, I find that indenting config files by 3 spaces has a lot of advantages to indenting them by 4 spaces although conventional wisdom might suggest otherwise. Who's with me on this? I'm fully capable of driving to

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread m . roth
Ron Blizzard wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Ron Blizzard rb4cen...@gmail.com wrote: Mint/Ubuntu don't have an easy way to boot into the command line. To boot into everything but X, you can append text to the kernel

Re: [CentOS] Config file semantics.

2011-06-15 Thread m . roth
Mike A. Harris wrote: Personally, I find that indenting config files by 3 spaces has a lot of advantages to indenting them by 4 spaces although conventional wisdom might suggest otherwise. Who's with me on this? Indentation wars. I don't *think* there was a usenet newsgroup for that

Re: [CentOS] Config file semantics.

2011-06-15 Thread Steve Thompson
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Mike A. Harris wrote: Personally, I find that indenting config files by 3 spaces has a lot of advantages to indenting them by 4 spaces although conventional wisdom might suggest otherwise. Who's with me on this? Indentation wars. I don't *think*

Re: [CentOS] Config file semantics.

2011-06-15 Thread Cody Jackson
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 04:41:44PM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: Personally, I find that indenting config files by 3 spaces has a lot of advantages to indenting them by 4 spaces although conventional wisdom might suggest otherwise. Who's with me on this? I prefer two or four, usually two.

Re: [CentOS] Config file semantics.

2011-06-15 Thread m . roth
Cody Jackson wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 04:41:44PM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: Personally, I find that indenting config files by 3 spaces has a lot of advantages to indenting them by 4 spaces although conventional wisdom might suggest otherwise. Who's with me on this? I prefer two or

Re: [CentOS] Config file semantics.

2011-06-15 Thread Paul Heinlein
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Five, it goes BOOM, and, being bad in Thy Sight, will buy it. mark Hey, look! It's the old admin from scene 24... -- Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com http://www.madboa.com/ ___ CentOS mailing

Re: [CentOS] Config file semantics.

2011-06-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/15/2011 3:41 PM, Mike A. Harris wrote: Personally, I find that indenting config files by 3 spaces has a lot of advantages to indenting them by 4 spaces although conventional wisdom might suggest otherwise. Who's with me on this? White space should be meaningless, but unnecessary changes

Re: [CentOS] Config file semantics.

2011-06-15 Thread Keith Keller
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 02:23:29PM -0700, Cody Jackson wrote: I prefer two or four, usually two. Three is extremely disturbing to me because it is not a multiple of two I am constantly frustrated by being limited to a whole number of spaces. What if I want pi spaces? Or e*i? --keith --

Re: [CentOS] Config file semantics.

2011-06-15 Thread Steve Thompson
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Keith Keller wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 02:23:29PM -0700, Cody Jackson wrote: I prefer two or four, usually two. Three is extremely disturbing to me because it is not a multiple of two I am constantly frustrated by being limited to a whole number of spaces. What if

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Craig White
On Jun 15, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:50 AM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: Like RHEL/CentOS, Ubuntu LTS is absolutely appropriate for server use. In fact, it's sort of refreshing to set up a new server that isn't overloaded with bloat from the

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Craig White
On Jun 15, 2011, at 1:47 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Ron Blizzard wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Ron Blizzard rb4cen...@gmail.com wrote: Mint/Ubuntu don't have an easy way to boot into the command line. To boot

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Ron Blizzard wrote: Okay, thanks. Good to know. I forget what kludging process I had to go through to get Mint to boot into text, I think I disabled the X server somehow.  But even when I got to text mode,  the Nouveau driver had

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/15/2011 5:26 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 03:04:59PM -0700, Craig White wrote: I am generally interested in a basic install. On this Macintosh, VMWare Fusion, installing 64 bit Ubuntu-server-amd64 it's about 10 minutes. Installing 64 bit CentOS 5.6 x86_64 took

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/15/2011 03:08 PM, Craig White wrote: those days will be over soon as even fedora has now switched to upstart Upstart would still honor the setting in /etc/inittab. Fedora, however, is now using systemd. It's an even more different beast than you are familiar with:

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread John R. Dennison
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 05:46:20PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: I've seen vmware disk emulation - LVM - partitions run very, very slowly. Didn't diagnose it beyond thinking if it hurts, don't do it, though. And I don't remember if it was a sparse disk or not, but it probably was. Could

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Paul Heinlein
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 06/15/2011 01:39 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote: I'm not trying to serve as apologist for RHEL 6. I'm just saying that there's little room in my world for an abolutist position like never use a .0 release -- ever. I wouldn't favor such a sentiment

Re: [CentOS] A bridge problem

2011-06-15 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/13/2011 11:02 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: We just went to replace the bridge/firewall services one one server with the same on another. It's pretty simple, and I literally cloned (w/ rsync) a third server that does this onto the one that will be the new one. Then copied the

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/15/2011 03:57 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote: Maybe Red Hat will continue to obfuscate its infrastructure and increase the burden on teams like CentOS who try to rebuild the distribution from SRPMs Nothing that Red Hat did has increased the burden on CentOS.

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/15/2011 03:46 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: I've seen vmware disk emulation - LVM - partitions run very, very slowly. Didn't diagnose it beyond thinking if it hurts, don't do it, though. And I don't remember if it was a sparse disk or not, but it probably was. Could have been an issue in

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 5:26 PM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: I do not in any way believe your claims of an hour-long install process, even if done manually by walking through anaconda screen by screen. I've had a couple network installs take a long time (Desktop installs not

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/15/2011 5:56 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 05:46:20PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: I've seen vmware disk emulation - LVM - partitions run very, very slowly. Didn't diagnose it beyond thinking if it hurts, don't do it, though. And I don't remember if it was a

Re: [CentOS] Slightly OT: First Time KVM and LVM on Centos

2011-06-15 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/13/2011 02:00 PM, Jeff Boyce wrote: I am a novice system administrator and will soon be purchasing a new server to replacing an aging file server for my company. I am considering setting up the new server as a KVM host with two guests; one guest as the Samba file server and a second

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread John R. Dennison
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 06:15:26PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: Agreed, but testing something on vmware is a likely first step toward production and bad performance on the first look can warp your opinions. And blaming the OS being installed or the installer itself in such circumstances is

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread John R. Dennison
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 06:10:15PM -0500, Ron Blizzard wrote: I've had a couple network installs take a long time (Desktop installs not Servers) but that was because the mirror I chose at random was really slow. That's possible, yes; but not germane here as the post stated that he was using

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread John R. Dennison
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 04:08:11PM -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote: Any disk layout that doesn't align filesystem blocks with actual disk blocks is going to perform very badly. I will agree this is possible in real-world environments, yes. I also will say that this is an issue of the admin not

[CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread R P Herrold
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Gordon Messmer wrote: Nothing that Red Hat did has increased the burden on CentOS. so says the person who has not done it - the rpm tool changed, adding a non-backward compatible compression scheme. as I blogged about months ago; this has 'flow through' effects as to

Re: [CentOS] Config file semantics.

2011-06-15 Thread Patrick Lists
On 06/15/2011 10:41 PM, Mike A. Harris wrote: Personally, I find that indenting config files by 3 spaces has a lot of advantages to indenting them by 4 spaces although conventional wisdom might suggest otherwise. Who's with me on this? Three is evil, four even more. Two spaces and what do

Re: [CentOS] OT: high static in server room

2011-06-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
John R. Dennison wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 09:20:44PM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Actually, scientist say that 5 minutes of looking at the fish tank can greatly reduce stress. Sad that the same thing can't be said for off-topic threads like this in a topical mailing list. It's

Re: [CentOS] Slightly OT: First Time KVM and LVM on Centos

2011-06-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Gordon Messmer wrote: That's probably true. image file backed guests are a whole lot slower than guests that run on partitions or logical volumes. Logical volumes are the easiest option to manage, with good performance characteristics. Hopefully that made sense. Ask questions if not.

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Paul Heinlein wrote: In *this* case, since Red Hat has already released 6.1, it may even be prudent to wait for the CentOS 6.1 release before public deployment. My guess is devs will first work on critical updates and release them before the 6.1 official release. That way 6.0 will still be

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/15/11 7:08 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 06:15:26PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: Agreed, but testing something on vmware is a likely first step toward production and bad performance on the first look can warp your opinions. And blaming the OS being installed or the

Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6 Status updates

2011-06-15 Thread John R. Dennison
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 08:44:38PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: I'm not sure I'd go that far when using a different installer (or avoiding LVM) in the same environment gives vastly better results. Even if some quirk of the low level environment really turns out to be responsible its not

Re: [CentOS] Possible to use multiple disk to bypass I/O wait?

2011-06-15 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/16/11, Gordon Messmer yiny...@eburg.com wrote: I read somewhere recently that people were complaining abut LVM overhead and poor performance, but I've never seen any evidence of it. Was there something that made you think that LVM had significant overhead? Looking at some very sparse

Re: [CentOS] OT: high static in server room

2011-06-15 Thread Rob Kampen
Fajar Priyanto wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Dan Carl d...@bluestarshows.com wrote: If you spend a lot of time in your server room, you might also consider a fish tank. It will add moisture to your room and give you something to look at other than flashing leds:-) Is this a

Re: [CentOS] OT: high static in server room

2011-06-15 Thread Mike Williams
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Fajar Priyanto fajar...@arinet.org wrote: Btw, I've checked. My room humidity is 23%. That should be ok, shouldn't it? But still I saw the spark. Very early in this thread Benjamin Franz posted this: Low humidity would be my first guess. The relative humidity

Re: [CentOS] Odd issue with custom udev rule at boot

2011-06-15 Thread James A. Peltier
- Original Message - | James A. Peltier wrote: | Hi All, | | I've written a custom udev rule to change the permissions of | /dev/ttyS* but it doesn't seem to be working at boot up. If I run | |/sbin/udevcontrol reload_rules; udevtrigger | | The rules are parsed, applied and the

Re: [CentOS] Odd issue with custom udev rule at boot

2011-06-15 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 6/14/11, James A. Peltier jpelt...@sfu.ca wrote: The rules are parsed, applied and the permissions are then correct but why is it not doing so at boot? The file in questions I've called /etc/udev/rules.d/49-udev-override.rules and it contains KERNEL==tty[A-Z]*,NAME=%k,

Re: [CentOS] OT: high static in server room

2011-06-15 Thread Fajar Priyanto
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Mike Williams dmikewilli...@gmail.com wrote: Low humidity would be my first guess. The relative humidity in your server room should be between 50% +/- 10%. Too high and you can get condensation. Too low and you get electrostatic discharges. Oh! I thought it's

Re: [CentOS] OT: high static in server room

2011-06-15 Thread John R Pierce
On 06/15/11 9:44 PM, Fajar Priyanto wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Mike Williamsdmikewilli...@gmail.com wrote: Low humidity would be my first guess. The relative humidity in your server room should be between 50% +/- 10%. Too high and you can get condensation. Too low and you get

Re: [CentOS] Odd issue with custom udev rule at boot

2011-06-15 Thread James A. Peltier
- Original Message - | On 6/14/11, James A. Peltier jpelt...@sfu.ca wrote: | The rules are parsed, applied and the permissions are then correct | but why | is it not doing so at boot? The file in questions I've called | /etc/udev/rules.d/49-udev-override.rules and it contains | |

Re: [CentOS] Odd issue with custom udev rule at boot

2011-06-15 Thread James A. Peltier
- Original Message - | - Original Message - | | On 6/14/11, James A. Peltier jpelt...@sfu.ca wrote: | | The rules are parsed, applied and the permissions are then correct | | but why | | is it not doing so at boot? The file in questions I've called | |

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