Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 2023-07-13 10:28, Tom Bishop wrote: Eh I beg to differ it's pretty clear that Magnus is calling folks freeloaders... https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/problem-rocky-linux-free-beer-magnus-glantz/ I've read that article several times, including just now with an eye out for such an accusation,

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread Tom Bishop
On Thu, Jul 13, 2023, 12:17 PM Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 2023-07-13 09:00, Tom Bishop wrote: > > as > > referenced by one of the many RH articles, we are all just freeloaders > > so we shouldn't be missed. > > > I don't believe there are any Red Hat articles that call user freeloaders. > > I'm

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread mario juliano grande-balletta
Kudos to everyone's input and lots of intelligent talking points! After decades of working in enterprise, Fortune 100 or less, I always struggled as the disruptor, as the open source evangelist, trying to get decision makers to embrace open source solutions. Years later, I see that commercial

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 2023-07-13 09:00, Tom Bishop wrote: as referenced by one of the many RH articles, we are all just freeloaders so we shouldn't be missed. I don't believe there are any Red Hat articles that call user freeloaders. I'm aware of one personal blog, not on the redhat.com site, in which the

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread Simon Matter
> > Well, as RH's announcement is quite some day ago, I had time to reflect > this jumble. The whole thing is much more complex than people want to > admit and I will not decompose this all here now. Honestly I see > the open source ecosystem like a hardware store. You have everything > that you

[CentOS] Upcoming CentOS Connect at Fedora Flock

2023-07-13 Thread Amy Marrich
Hi everyone, For those who are not aware, the next CentOS Connect will be held in conjunction with Fedora Flock which is being held August 2-4[0] in Cork, IE. While the CFP is closed, there is still time to register[1] to attend and the Schedule[2] is really coming together with a wide range of

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread Simon Matter
> On 2023-07-13 05:11, mario juliano grande-balletta wrote: >> IBM wants to make money, PERIOD. They paid billions for RedHat and >> investors, executives, want ROI and profit, period. No excuses. >> >> So, they are locking down RedHat and closing channels to important >> software/materials. It

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread Tom Bishop
On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 10:48 AM Gordon Messmer wrote: > > On 2023-07-13 03:12, Simon Matter wrote: > > As I found out yesterday, the fragmentation of the "Enterprise Linux" > > ecosystem just started to come true. > > > I've been trying to figure out what SUSE meant when they announced a > "hard

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 2023-07-13 05:11, mario juliano grande-balletta wrote: IBM wants to make money, PERIOD. They paid billions for RedHat and investors, executives, want ROI and profit, period. No excuses. So, they are locking down RedHat and closing channels to important software/materials. It is what

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 2023-07-13 03:12, Simon Matter wrote: As I found out yesterday, the fragmentation of the "Enterprise Linux" ecosystem just started to come true. I've been trying to figure out what SUSE meant when they announced a "hard fork" of RHEL.  If they mean to maintain a fork that remains

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread Leon Fauster via CentOS
Am 13.07.23 um 14:42 schrieb Tom Bishop: I think I finally need to remove myself from the centos mail list but coming from @redhat worker trying to explain what their company has done, is pretty disingenuous to say the least. It's pretty clear what they are trying to do and it's all driven by

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread Ian B
Tom nailed it for me, similar boat. We moved to Rocky as a holding position with their LTS, but it just doesn't make sense any more to use a Redhat base with any new server. The trust I think has gone since the Centos rug pull, and that's important. I do think we'll see some changes to come (I

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread Salim Shaw
I have to agree with Tom Bishop. IBM has completely destroyed Red Hat and it's clones for me. Debian GNU Linux is the next natural step. It will probably be a mix of Debian GNU Linux, FreeBSD and OpenBSD used. Let's face the facts, corporate entities have never been the friends of the Open

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread Tom Bishop
On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 7:11 AM mario juliano grande-balletta wrote: > > IMHO, there are insider politically correct opinions about the recent > changes and then, there are the individual opinions of community > members, end-users and the general public. > > IMHO, if you work for RedHat (IBM)

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 8:11 AM mario juliano grande-balletta wrote: > > IMHO, there are insider politically correct opinions about the recent > changes and then, there are the individual opinions of community > members, end-users and the general public. > > IMHO, if you work for RedHat (IBM)

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread mario juliano grande-balletta
IMHO, there are insider politically correct opinions about the recent changes and then, there are the individual opinions of community members, end-users and the general public. IMHO, if you work for RedHat (IBM) your opinion could be slightly biased because of your career. But, the history of

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 6:13 AM Simon Matter wrote: > > Hi, > > As I found out yesterday, the fragmentation of the "Enterprise Linux" > ecosystem just started to come true. I expect this is only the beginning > and Red Hat may also start to completely hold back sources of non GPL > software which

[CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-13 Thread Simon Matter
Hi, As I found out yesterday, the fragmentation of the "Enterprise Linux" ecosystem just started to come true. I expect this is only the beginning and Red Hat may also start to completely hold back sources of non GPL software which is part of the "Enterprise Linux" ecosystem. I'm really