Re: [CentOS] installing Cents os server 7.0

2015-07-02 Thread Warren Young
On Jul 2, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On 07/01/2015 05:10 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote: Nope. CentOS 5, 6 and 7 all support dual-boot. Considering CentOS 7, at least, doesn't include ntfsprogs, the installation of CentOS can't support shrink or discovery

Re: [CentOS] dual-booting - Re: installing Cents os server 7.0

2015-07-02 Thread Warren Young
On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 10:42 AM, ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote: Yes, a little manual work was needed on the Windows side, but this was well documented and frankly not that hard. Since I've done it-- numerous times--

Re: [CentOS] Tar CentOS installation and transfer it to new server

2015-06-30 Thread Warren Young
On Jun 29, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Mike 1100...@gmail.com wrote: rsync -aAXHx -e 'ssh’ -e ssh has been the default in rsync for a very long time. I believe the newest CentOS where -e defaults to rsh instead is CentOS 3. You only need to give -e nowadays when you need nonstandard ssh options, and

Re: [CentOS] C5 : Firefox 38 bug

2015-06-12 Thread Warren Young
On Jun 12, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Always Learning cen...@u64.u22.net wrote: It is my understanding that Java and Javascript are different; They’re as different as India and Indiana. Java is dangerous whilst Javascript is (hopefully) harmless. That’s a pretty unsophisticated way to look at it.

Re: [CentOS] newbie question on installation over existing Linux

2015-06-10 Thread Warren Young
On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Patrick Hess patrickh...@gmx.net wrote: Warren Young wrote: /usr was already assumed to be on the root FS in Solaris, FreeBSD I'm using both Solaris and FreeBSD quite extensively and, honestly, have never heard of that assumption. I don’t have a “real

Re: [CentOS] newbie question on installation over existing Linux

2015-06-09 Thread Warren Young
On Jun 8, 2015, at 8:16 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: On 06/08/2015 09:11 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 6/8/2015 6:29 PM, Peter wrote: You can thank Fedora for making that rather pointless change and breaking that capability. that 'capability' was a holdover of the 1980s when disks

Re: [CentOS] rpmforge vs epel

2015-06-09 Thread Warren Young
On Jun 9, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Robert Nichols rnicholsnos...@comcast.net wrote: On 06/09/2015 03:42 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: What do you need in rpmforge that isn't available from base, rpmfusion, or epel? Do you happen to know of somewhere other than rpmforge where I can find hexedit and

Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution

2015-05-08 Thread Warren Young
On May 8, 2015, at 10:24 AM, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote: If a project is backed/picked up by a corporation, say Redhat or Oracle, or a foundation, say Apache or LibreOffice, then it may have a future more or less independent of any single individual or group. Commercial

Re: [CentOS] Backup PC or other solution

2015-05-08 Thread Warren Young
On May 8, 2015, at 12:02 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 5/8/2015 10:40 AM, Warren Young wrote: - Adobe’s killed off dozens of products over the years. FrameMaker ... Frame isn't dead When I think of FrameMaker, I think of the program that started out on Solaris

Re: [CentOS] Real sh? Or other efficient shell for non-interactive scripts

2015-04-27 Thread Warren Young
On Apr 27, 2015, at 4:38 AM, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: This is the SVr4 Bourne Shell, so you need to take into account what has been added with Svr4: Is there any difference between your osh and the Heirloom Bourne Shell?

Re: [CentOS] Real sh? Or other efficient shell for non-interactive scripts

2015-04-27 Thread Warren Young
On Apr 27, 2015, at 9:07 AM, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Heirloom added support for uname -S and for some linux ulimit extensions but then stopped working on the code after a few months Ah. I had no idea it was in a state of disrepair. I see that you

Re: [CentOS] Real sh? Or other efficient shell for non-interactive scripts

2015-04-27 Thread Warren Young
On Apr 27, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: I was referring to the summary on the SourceForge page, where you just list the contents of the package without explaining why one would want to download

Re: [CentOS] How to stagger fsck executions

2015-04-23 Thread Warren Young
On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Hugh E Cruickshank h...@forsoft.com wrote: From: Warren Young Sent: April 22, 2015 20:46 On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Hugh E Cruickshank h...@forsoft.com wrote: I have done some what if testing. Using which tool? My simulator, or something you cooked up

Re: [CentOS] How to stagger fsck executions

2015-04-22 Thread Warren Young
On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Hugh E Cruickshank h...@forsoft.com wrote: I have done some what if testing. Using which tool? My simulator, or something you cooked up yourself? If the latter, would you care to share? I’ve updated mine to break out the stats for 3+ volumes instead of just

Re: [CentOS] How to stagger fsck executions

2015-04-21 Thread Warren Young
On Apr 21, 2015, at 3:12 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: With the four values that Kay provided, I calculate a 1.2% chance on average that two or more volumes will need to be checked on the same reboot. Ooops, forgot to mention one other minor detail: This calculator gives

Re: [CentOS] How to stagger fsck executions

2015-04-21 Thread Warren Young
On Apr 21, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Hugh E Cruickshank h...@forsoft.com wrote: From: Kay Diederichs Sent: April 21, 2015 03:43 instead of having 20 for all of them, set the first filesystem to 17, the second to 19, the third to 23, and the fourth to 29. Thanks but that is not much different

Re: [CentOS] wireshark 1.12.4

2015-04-20 Thread Warren Young
On Apr 20, 2015, at 2:03 PM, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote: Does anyone know where I could find wireshark-1.12.4 el6 rpm? CentOS is not the OS for you if you wish to have the very latest releases of software. The Wireshark project doesn’t provide Linux binaries, apparently since

Re: [CentOS] Related to the new laptop question: CentOS on a netbook?

2015-04-15 Thread Warren Young
On Apr 15, 2015, at 2:28 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 4/15/2015 12:55 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I've got a netbook, circe 2009. When I got it, not that I was wild about ubuntu, but there was specifically an ubuntu netbook remix. Well, it's a few years later - has anyone

Re: [CentOS] How to decrypt rootpassword form kickstart file

2015-04-01 Thread Warren Young
On Mar 30, 2015, at 11:08 PM, Jegadeesh Kumar jegasm...@gmail.com wrote: # Root password rootpw --iscrypted $1$1SItJOAg$UM9n7lRFK1/OCs./rgQtQ/ # System authorization information auth --useshadow --passalgo=sha512 Those two settings are inconsistent. The $1 at the beginning of that crypt(3)

Re: [CentOS] How to decrypt rootpassword form kickstart file

2015-04-01 Thread Warren Young
On Mar 30, 2015, at 11:37 PM, Eero Volotinen eero.voloti...@iki.fi wrote: Well, you could bruteforce sha512 hashed password or use dictionary attack against it. The sad thing is that dictionary attacks still work. Just a few months ago on this very mailing list, we had a big battle over

Re: [CentOS] xfs_quotas, [SOLVED]

2015-03-27 Thread Warren Young
On Mar 27, 2015, at 1:41 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: it was looking for some message files, libc.mo and xfsprogs.mo. And they don't exist in /usr/share/locale/en_US. libc.mo is in /usr/share/local/en_GB. And it's in most of the other languages, but not US English. I don’t know what i18n

Re: [CentOS] xfs fsck error metadata corruption

2015-03-23 Thread Warren Young
On Mar 23, 2015, at 3:23 PM, Stephen Drotar step...@artifex360.com wrote: Can CENTOS be used with ext3 or ext4 partitioning? Better to speak of ext3 and ext4 as filesystems, rather than partition types. The partition type is 83 in both cases, which doesn’t distinguish them. All current

Re: [CentOS] How does Linux choose ARP request source IP?

2015-03-20 Thread Warren Young
On Mar 20, 2015, at 7:38 AM, Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net wrote: I'm looking into some network weirdness, and I noticed that a CentOS 6 system with multiple IP addresses (load balancer running keepalived) is sending ARP requests from apparently random source IPs. It probably isn’t random.

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 - Persistant static routes

2015-03-12 Thread Warren Young
On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Jason Warr ja...@warr.net wrote: On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 12:43:27 -0500, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: I found: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/configuring-static-routes-in-debian-or-red-hat-linux-systems.html where it says to add to ifcfg-eth0:

Re: [CentOS] selinux allow FTP

2015-03-03 Thread Warren Young
On Mar 2, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote: errr, I meant, sftp, not rscp But the client isn't gonna go for that. LOL. Why not? SFTP clients are now as readily available as FTP clients. Unless you’re going to tell me it needs to be done from a box you absolutely

Re: [CentOS] selinux allow FTP

2015-03-03 Thread Warren Young
On Mar 3, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Brian Mathis brian.mathis+cen...@betteradmin.com wrote: people are bound by corporate restrictions That seems like an awfully convenient rug to sweep problems under. Can’t fix a security problem? Corporate restrictions! Can’t require sensible security defaults

Re: [CentOS] disk space trouble on ec2 instance

2015-03-03 Thread Warren Young
On Mar 1, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe a little unconventional, but at least it got the job done. Adding disks is unconventional in the physical server world because it has a minimum base cost and you eventually run out of disk bays in the chassis. You

Re: [CentOS] Making systemd start a service after sshd?

2015-02-23 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 20, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Bryan Wright bk...@virginia.edu wrote: I put the original lightdm.service back to its pristine state, made /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service a symlink to my modified lightdm.service file in /etc/systemd/system and rebooted, and things work as expected.

Re: [CentOS] Securing SSH wiki article outdated

2015-02-13 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 13, 2015, at 9:03 AM, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: ...changing port numbers...does not really add security. Security through obscurity is only considered to be efficient by Windows folks. “Security through obscurity” is an overused mantra of derision. Originally,

[CentOS] Securing SSH wiki article outdated

2015-02-12 Thread Warren Young
Hi, just a quick note to whoever is maintaining this page: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Network/SecuringSSH The procedure is missing the firewall-cmd calls necessary in EL7: firewall-cmd --add-port 2345/tcp firewall-cmd --add-port 2345/tcp --permanent Also, it may be worth mentioning

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 9, 2015, at 12:12 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 2/9/2015 11:06 AM, Always Learning wrote: The third item was a 16.1 MB PDF of 1,344 pages. A quick scan of the PDF shows every page appears to be readable. 11 pages devoted to BASH. Information on other interesting

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 10, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Always Learning cen...@u64.u22.net wrote: 2. PDFs can be created by *NON-ADOBE* software. And SWFs can be generated by non-Adobe software, and JARs can be generated by non-Oracle software. What’s your point? Is it that only Evil Corporations can create

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-04 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 4, 2015, at 12:16 PM, Lamar Owen lo...@pari.edu wrote: Again, the real bruteforce danger is when your /etc/shadow is exfiltrated by a security vulnerability Unless you have misconfigured your system, anyone who can copy /etc/shadow already has root privileges. They don’t need to

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-04 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 4, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: wikiedia is really vague on the date MacOS 10 was first shipped It depends on what you mean by “shipped.” The first OS X product released into the market was OS X Server 1.0, in March 1999:

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-04 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:17 AM, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote: I had a friend, now deceased, who worked as an RCA colour TV technician when he was very young. In the 1950s he would be sent to the homes of people having trouble adjusting the colour settings on their new RCA's.

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-04 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 4, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Kahlil Hodgson kahlil.hodg...@dealmax.com.au wrote: I just had a peek at the anaconda source for Fedora 21. This change isn’t in a released version of Fedora yet: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2015-January/124827.html The change will probably

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-04 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 4, 2015, at 4:14 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: Not exactly - it just becomes a question of whether the complexity requirements imposed by the installer are really worth much against the pre-hashed lists that would be used to match up the shadow contents. Rainbow

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-04 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 4, 2015, at 5:20 PM, Kahlil Hodgson kahlil.hodg...@dealmax.com.au wrote: On 5 February 2015 at 10:36, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: When the hashes are properly salted, the only option is brute force. All having /etc/shadow does for you is let you make billions of guesses

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-04 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 4, 2015, at 5:43 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: SSH as shipped on CentOS doesn’t allow 1,000 guesses per second, as this calculator assumes Hmm, just thought of a counterattack: If CentOS’s SSH currently allows 10 guesses per minute *per IP*, all you need to do to get

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-04 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 4, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Always Learning cen...@u64.u22.net wrote: On C5 the default appears to be:- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1220 Jan 31 03:04 shadow Nope: # rpm -q --dump setup|grep shadow /etc/gshadow 0 1329943062 d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e 0100400 root root 1 0 0 X

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-04 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 4, 2015, at 4:14 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: Most such vulns are against Apache, PHP, etc, which do not run as root. Those are common. Combine them with anything called a 'local privilege

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-04 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 4, 2015, at 7:23 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: An LPE can only be used against your system by logged-in users. Or any running program - like a web server. That’s not what LPE means. “L” = “local

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-04 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 4, 2015, at 5:55 PM, Always Learning cen...@u64.u22.net wrote: On Wed, 2015-02-04 at 17:50 -0700, Warren Young wrote: rent time on a 6,000 machine botnet. Rent ? That costs money. Just crack open some Windoze machines and do it for free. That is what many hackers do. Acquiring

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-04 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 4, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Lamar Owen lo...@pari.edu wrote: On 02/04/2015 04:55 PM, Warren Young wrote: Unless you have misconfigured your system, anyone who can copy /etc/shadow already has root privileges. They don’t need to crack your passwords now. You’re already boned

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-03 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 3, 2015, at 8:17 AM, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote: Who exactly uses an installer program? We do. Kickstart never really met our needs, and all these now-common CM systems came out way after we had shell-scripted our post-install setup adequately. To go back and

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-02 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 31, 2015, at 8:04 AM, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote: 1. The password strength decision is driven by RH corporate. So who do you believe is driving RH corporate? Why are they expending the effort to do this? The answer is clear to me: general security principles. By the

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-02 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 2, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: should a software vendor make their code stop working for you because they think you aren't working hard enough? When the consequence of widespread bad security is botnets and all the ills that derive therefrom — DDoS

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-02 Thread Warren Young
On Feb 2, 2015, at 4:26 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: Let’s flip it around: what’s your justification *for* weak passwords? You don't need to write them down. The new rules are: 1. At least 8

Re: [CentOS] Orwell's 1984 from Freedesktop,org?

2015-01-23 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 23, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: As a matter of fact I tend to not use GUI admin tools since long ago. Bring back Xconfigurator! I do prefer 3ware web RAID admin interface anything else (it more transparently prevents me from making fatal

Re: [CentOS] Socket behavior change from 6.5 to 6.6

2015-01-16 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 15, 2015, at 11:40 AM, Glenn Eychaner geycha...@mac.com wrote: When the DOS box exits, crashes, or is rebooted, it fails to shut down the socket properly. Yes, that’s what happens when you use an OS that doesn’t implement sockets in kernel space: there is no program still running that

Re: [CentOS] Socket behavior change from 6.5 to 6.6

2015-01-16 Thread Warren Young
A couple more thoughts... On Jan 16, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: On Jan 15, 2015, at 11:40 AM, Glenn Eychaner geycha...@mac.com wrote: When the DOS box exits, crashes, or is rebooted, it fails to shut down the socket properly. Yes, that’s what happens when you

Re: [CentOS] favorite cheap VPS services

2015-01-16 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 15, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote: what are some really cheap VPS services that you like to use for one off projects like this and why. I'm looking for dirt cheap as possible. 1. Choose a virtual machine technology: Xen, KVM, VirtualBox, VMware, whatever. 2.

Re: [CentOS] Socket behavior change from 6.5 to 6.6

2015-01-16 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 16, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: A different fix is to exploit the real-time nature of video camera imagery Normally if you care about knowing if the other end of a connection

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-13 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 13, 2015, at 8:15 AM, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote: On Mon, January 12, 2015 11:47, Warren Young wrote: On Jan 10, 2015, at 7:42 PM, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote: On Fri, January 9, 2015 17:36, John R Pierce wrote: Enterprise to me implies large business

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-12 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 10, 2015, at 7:42 PM, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote: On Fri, January 9, 2015 17:36, John R Pierce wrote: Enterprise to me implies large business Enterprise literally means 'undertaking’. Danger: We’re starting to get into dictionary flame territory. “But the

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-12 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:05 AM, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: On Sun, January 11, 2015 11:22 am, Sven Kieske wrote: On 11.01.2015 03:42, James B. Byrne wrote: What does systemd buy the enterprise that sysinit did not provide? systemd has it's ugly downsides, but it _does_

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-09 Thread Warren Young
feel about Chaucer? Those who try to fight the inevitable changes that language goes through end up as laughing stocks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acad%C3%A9mie_fran%C3%A7aise#Conservatism On Thu, 2015-01-08 at 09:35 -0700, Warren Young wrote: Once a thing becomes reliable, it stops

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-08 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 8, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: I question intelligence of an attitude that something (that works for some people) has to be destroyed to make room for something else one thinks to be more appropriate. The amount of actively-maintained software has

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-08 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 6, 2015, at 7:40 PM, Always Learning cen...@u62.u22.net wrote: On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 20:19 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: Is there any centralized approach to converting something that worked on CentOS6 to run on CentOS7? Brilliant task to assign to Warren Young. You’re awfully free

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-08 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 7, 2015, at 7:02 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: There's still a very odd mix of art and science involved. Yes. This is part of what I was getting at with my definition of “technology.” Once a thing becomes reliable, it stops being technology. It’s been reduced to the

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-08 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 8, 2015, at 8:48 AM, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote: these influential people have chosen not to pay RH for their offering. It might be of some interest to RH in determining why this is so. I’ll tell you why we don’t subscribe. First, we don’t need their support. We’re

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-08 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 6, 2015, at 7:45 PM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 06:52:48PM -0700, Warren Young wrote: I am explaining to them why this is not a productive view. It's not relevant in _any_ sense. CentOS is nothing more than (at it's core) a rebuild of RHEL

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-06 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 6, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: So, after you've spent at least 10 years rolling out machines to do things as fast as you can, and teaching the others in your organization to spell

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-06 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 6, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: There are more JavaScript interpreters in the world than Dalvik, ART,[2] and Java ® VMs combined. Perhaps we should rewrite everything in JavaScript

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-06 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 6, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Always Learning cen...@u62.u22.net wrote: On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 16:07 -0700, Warren Young wrote: There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement.” — William Thomson, Lord Kelvin, 1900

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-06 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:49 PM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 06:37:42PM -0700, Warren Young wrote: Noise removed. Quick question, if I may? What does this have to do with CentOS? Some people are annoyed that CentOS keeps changing on them, and keep going

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-05 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: where is the part of EL7 that doesn’t add columns of numbers correctly? If the program won't start or the distribution libraries are incompatible

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-02 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 1, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote: On 12/29/2014 09:04 PM, Warren Young wrote: The vast majority of software developed is in-house stuff, where the developers and the users *can* enter into an agile delivery cycle. Where did you get the 5% from An industry

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-02 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 1, 2015, at 2:15 PM, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote: On Wed, December 31, 2014 12:03, Warren Young wrote: So, cope with change. Is one to infer from your mantra 'cope with change' that one is not supposed to express any opinion whatsoever, ever, on any forum No, it’s

Re: [CentOS] how to delete a trashed kernel

2015-01-02 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 1, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Don Vogt dn...@yahoo.com wrote: when I select the second kernel it boots OK. Now I would like to remove the bad kernel. The only thing that makes this tricky is that you can’t just say “rpm -e kernel” because there is more than one “kernel” package installed.

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2015-01-02 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 31, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: You keep talking about the cost of coping with change, but apparently you believe maintaining legacy interfaces is cost-free. Take it from

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2014-12-31 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 29, 2014, at 10:07 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: it's not necessary for either code interfaces or data structures to change in backward-incompatible ways. You keep talking about the cost of coping with change, but apparently you believe maintaining legacy interfaces is

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2014-12-31 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 31, 2014, at 11:00 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Warren Young wrote: How many single computers have to be up 24/7? A hundred or more, here, individual servers, 24x7. I’m more interested in a percentage than absolute values. And I’m only interested in boxes that simply cannot go down

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2014-12-29 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 29, 2014, at 8:02 AM, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote: In many instances in government and business seven years is a typical time-frame in which to get a major software system built and installed. And I have witnessed longer. As a software developer, I think I can speak to

Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

2014-12-29 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 29, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: the world where you design, build, and deploy The System is disappearing fast. Sure, if you don't care if you lose data, you can skip those steps

Re: [CentOS] httpd listening only on IPv6 interface on CentOS 7

2014-12-12 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 12, 2014, at 6:32 AM, Steven Tardy sjt5a...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: We noticed this problem when web browsers would refuse to connect to the server. *Then* we discovered the netstat oddity, and *then* we found

Re: [CentOS] httpd listening only on IPv6 interface on CentOS 7

2014-12-11 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 11, 2014, at 3:10 AM, Alexander Dalloz ad+li...@uni-x.org wrote: Am 11.12.2014 um 04:48 schrieb Warren Young: the stock configuration of Apache only listens for IPv6 connections: No, that's just the way it is displayed for apache. In fact the service listens on IPv4 as well (given

[CentOS] httpd listening only on IPv6 interface on CentOS 7

2014-12-10 Thread Warren Young
I’ve held off reporting this since I thought it might just be some kind of fluke, but I’ve seen it now on three different boxes. The symptom is that the stock configuration of Apache only listens for IPv6 connections: $ netstat -na | grep :80.*LISTEN tcp6 0 0 :::80

Re: [CentOS] Restore Point for Centos 7

2014-12-05 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 5, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Samson oko...@gmail.com wrote: Just want to inquire if it is possible to create restore points for Centos 7 like we have in virtual machines and window. Choose btrfs instead of xfs when you install your OS, then after installation, install the

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 install software Raid on large drives error

2014-12-03 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 3, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Jeff Boyce jbo...@meridianenv.com wrote: My objective is to RAID1 the two drives, use LVM on top of the RAID btrfs will meet both your functional objectives (mirroring, management, and expandability) and should be simpler to set up within the CentOS 7 installer.

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-02 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 1, 2014, at 10:27 PM, Rob Kampen rkam...@reaching-clients.com wrote: Have you put NM_CONTROLLED=no in the ifcfg-eth0 script? How is that better than systemctl stop NetworkManager systemctl disable NetworkManager Again, I’m not really after a way to make this work without

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-02 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 2, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: Again, I’m not really after a way to make this work without NetworkManager. What part of the breakage that NetworkManager does is good for a wired

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-02 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: Think 'laptop'. Why would you need a static IP to stick to a laptop? Or have multiple NICs on one? Wired and WiFi. If you configure a static IP with the wired Ethernet plugged in, you probably want that static IP to

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-02 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: What part of the breakage that NetworkManager does is good for a wired, static-addressed server? If you disable NM, the network configuration GUI

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-02 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: Think 'laptop'. Why would you need a static IP to stick to a laptop? Or have

[CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-01 Thread Warren Young
We ship servers to remote sites, which are rarely staffed with techs familiar with Linux. We have them tell us the static IP configuration for the box before we ship it, then we set it up for them here and ship it out to the site, where they just plug it in, turn it on, and walk away. That’s

Re: [CentOS] centos7 raid

2014-11-25 Thread Warren Young
On Nov 25, 2014, at 10:23 AM, dustin kempter dust...@consistentstate.com wrote: hi all, is there any documentation out there about setting up a raid array in centos7? http://goo.gl/bZBp4j http://goo.gl/eL1C2R ___ CentOS mailing list

Re: [CentOS] TELNENT TO LOCALHOST IN CENTOS 7

2014-11-25 Thread Warren Young
On Nov 24, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Jonathan Billings billi...@negate.org wrote: On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: Now compare telnet: always vulnerable, all the time, since the day it was created, before most of the people on this list were born: Technically, you

Re: [CentOS] TELNENT TO LOCALHOST IN CENTOS 7

2014-11-24 Thread Warren Young
On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Leon Fauster leonfaus...@googlemail.com wrote: best practice is to not use clear text protocols anymore. Umm, yeah. Encrypted protocols would never be compromised…. That’s

[CentOS] How to create a secondary btrfs mirror from the CentOS 7 installer?

2014-11-21 Thread Warren Young
I just ran through an EL7 install where I wanted to use a lone SATA disk (sda) formatted with xfs for the system drive, then add a pair of SATA disks (sdb, sdc) as a btrfs mirror, mounted at startup on the new system. I couldn’t manage to do this. The installer seems to think that if I want

Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems

2014-10-14 Thread Warren Young
On Oct 14, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: But, I'm kind of surprised that someone hasn't done a raspberry-pi type device that boots directly into x2go and comes out cheaper than a video card per seat. Haven't needed one badly enough to build it myself yet. It

Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems

2014-10-14 Thread Warren Young
On Oct 14, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Warren Young war...@etr-usa.com wrote: It should be trivial to set up an actual RPi to do that. The beauty of the original K12LTSP respin was that just you did a normal fill-in-the-form

Re: [CentOS] Conduct on the CentOS List

2014-10-10 Thread Warren Young
On 10/10/2014 14:41, Nathan Duehr wrote: I think… we were just threatened by the list owner. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) Help! Help, I'm being repressed! You saw im! Dint you see him repressin' me? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] odd dmesg entries

2014-09-22 Thread Warren Young
On 9/21/2014 12:50, John R Pierce wrote: every so often, I'm seeing these in my dmesg output, and I'm not sure what they are? host[32625]: segfault at 0 ip 0040abb8 sp 7ff59d36bd40 error 4 in host[40+1b000] host[24560]: segfault at 0 ip 0040abb8 sp 7f4fa1c4bd40 error

Re: [CentOS] ZFS

2014-09-16 Thread Warren Young
On 9/15/2014 16:54, Paul Heinlein wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2014, Valeri Galtsev wrote: 1. a throw-away line meant as a joke, I didn't take it as a joke so much as a comment that where he works, high-end hardware is available for the asking. SLC is the most expensive sort of SSD; if it's so

Re: [CentOS] cron.weekly

2014-09-16 Thread Warren Young
On 9/16/2014 13:24, Matt wrote: If I have multiple files in cron.weekly and one script takes hours to finish. Will it block other scripts in cron.weekly? I doubt it, based on the results of this crontab on EL7: 51 13 * * * echo start 1 ; sleep 2m ; echo end 1 51 13 * * * echo start 2 ; sleep

Re: [CentOS] OT: hardware question

2014-09-16 Thread Warren Young
On 9/16/2014 13:29, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Opinions on which slot to use? My opinion is that you should read Hot Air Rises and Heat Sinks: Everything You Know About Cooling Electronics Is Wrong by Tony Kordyban. It is quite readable, for all that it is a serious EE book. Thermal

Re: [CentOS] OT: hardware question

2014-09-16 Thread Warren Young
On 9/16/2014 14:39, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Warren Young wrote: On 9/16/2014 13:29, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Opinions on which slot to use? My opinion is that you should read Hot Air Rises and Heat Sinks: Everything You Know About Cooling Electronics Is Wrong by Tony Kordyban

Re: [CentOS] ZFS

2014-09-15 Thread Warren Young
On 9/15/2014 01:37, Andrew Holway wrote: To set expectation. Actually, the most recent release (0.63) of ZFS on Linux is not that quick. Compared to what? To ZFS on Solaris, ZFS on FreeBSD, or ext4 on Linux? Any comparison between ZFS and non-ZFS probably overlooks things like

Re: [CentOS] ZFS

2014-09-15 Thread Warren Young
On 9/15/2014 13:58, Eero Volotinen wrote: zfs release zero dot something does not sound like production ready ? https://clusterhq.com/blog/state-zfs-on-linux/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

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