Re: [CentOS] compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-06 Thread Warren Young
On 8/4/2012 9:21 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: ext4 is the OS that RHEL and Fedora support as their main file system. I would (and do) use that. The 6.3 kernel does support xfs and CentOS has the jfs tools in our extras directory, but I like tried and true over experimental. xfs still has at

Re: [CentOS] Manual OOM killing?

2012-07-25 Thread Warren Young
On 7/25/2012 7:36 AM, Alan McKay wrote: Is there something I can run manually in cron to look for rampant programs and kill them? You appear to be under the impression that you have a technical problem. What you actually have is a people problem. Go now, and kneel at the feet of the Bastard

Re: [CentOS] Good tool to draw server room?

2012-07-03 Thread Warren Young
On 7/3/2012 5:50 AM, John Doe wrote: From: Rafał Radecki radecki.ra...@gmail.com I am currently designing a server room. I would like to be able to draw a 2D (in the future 3D) project. Do you know any tools? Which one can you recommend? On Windows or OS X, I like sketchup... Agreed.

Re: [CentOS] leap second

2012-07-02 Thread Warren Young
On 7/2/2012 10:24 AM, Peter Eckel wrote: ... and leap seconds are not even scarce. An event on an unpredictable schedule averaging 1.7 years since 1972 doesn't count as scarce? That's the answer to Les's outrage, too, by the way. Might as well expect the JRE to have code to deal with cosmic

Re: [CentOS] leap second

2012-07-02 Thread Warren Young
On 7/2/2012 2:06 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Dumb question, but I haven't followed this thread that closely - been busy at work - but why not $ service ntp stop $ ntpdate $ service ntp start Because that results in a call to adjtimex(2), which is also the syscall used by ntpd, which

Re: [CentOS] RAID?

2012-06-25 Thread Warren Young
On 6/23/2012 12:15 AM, Digimer wrote: Software RAID? If you have two or more disks, yes. There's no requirement that if you have two disks, they have to be RAIDed together. I frequently build systems with /dev/sda being a lone SATA disk for the OS and apps, with /dev/sdb being a hardware

Re: [CentOS] RAID?

2012-06-25 Thread Warren Young
On 6/25/2012 2:10 PM, Alexander Dalloz wrote: but what is the difference of that command above to this one on CentOS 6? # lvresize -L+2G -r VG_sys/LV_var That doesn't resize the filesystem sitting on the LV_var logical volume. There's a level of non-integration above this, too: when

Re: [CentOS] converting .doc to html

2012-06-22 Thread Warren Young
On 6/22/2012 8:40 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: wvHtml works, but I don't like the output - it insists on div, and on rhquo instead of plain, simple . You mean rdquo;? What's wrong with that? You wanted HTML, and *any* browser will understand that HTML entity, even Lynx. If you wanted HTML

Re: [CentOS] converting .doc to html

2012-06-22 Thread Warren Young
On 6/22/2012 2:40 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Warren Young wrote: On 6/22/2012 8:40 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: wvHtml works, but I don't like the output - it insists on div, and on rhquo instead of plain, simple . You mean rdquo;? Yup. What's wrong with that? You wanted HTML

Re: [CentOS] converting .doc to html

2012-06-22 Thread Warren Young
On 6/22/2012 3:56 PM, Warren Young wrote: Unicode became usable over a decade ago, and became solid in most programs years ago. You know, thinking about it, I believe I've sold the Unicode on Linux stability story short. It's about a decade since it became solid, so usable must

Re: [CentOS] biggest disk partition on 5.8?

2012-05-24 Thread Warren Young
On 5/23/2012 12:23 PM, Alan McKay wrote: And then make an ext4 filesystem on that : ext4 is limited to 16 TB. Use xfs instead. I explain how here: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/29078/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] Allow updates but not upgrades

2012-05-11 Thread Warren Young
On 5/10/2012 6:52 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Johnny Hughesjoh...@centos.org wrote: There are several solutions to be able to make that happen ... manual repos yourself, mrepo, spacewalk, etc. All of those that I've investigated make you manage copies of

Re: [CentOS] Allow updates but not upgrades

2012-05-11 Thread Warren Young
On 5/11/2012 9:07 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Warren Youngwar...@etr-usa.com wrote: There are several solutions to be able to make that happen ... manual repos yourself, mrepo, spacewalk, etc. All of those that I've investigated make you manage copies of

Re: [CentOS] Allow updates but not upgrades

2012-05-11 Thread Warren Young
On 5/11/2012 11:34 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Warren Youngwar...@etr-usa.com wrote: If you've included a few programs from EPEL (etc.), do you mirror that too? Who mentioned mirroring? How else can you be sure you have all packages needed for some

Re: [CentOS] 3.2 kernel with C5? Or ndiswrapper?

2012-04-04 Thread Warren Young
On 4/4/2012 10:51 AM, Stephen Harris wrote: I compile 3.2.9, install the modules and then try an boot... and it fails to find my root disk and panics. By install the modules, do you mean you rebuilt the initrd? If not, try that. A missing or mismatched initrd could explain your inability

Re: [CentOS] One disk speed problem [SOLVED], and a question on hdparm

2012-03-28 Thread Warren Young
On 3/26/2012 4:32 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 03/26/12 2:20 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Yeah... but parted is user hostile. A co-worker and I, both of whom don't need GUIs, use gparted. However, that doesn't tell me where it's aligning things. I don't think its any more user hostile than

Re: [CentOS] One disk speed problem [SOLVED], and a question on hdparm

2012-03-28 Thread Warren Young
On 3/28/2012 11:02 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Warren Young wrote: Still, I'd have to agree with m.roth: parted(8) has a...um...classical UI. It's not far advanced beyond the ex(1) school of UI design. I disagree. I don't think it's advanced beyond that school Now, be fair. ex(1

Re: [CentOS] One disk speed problem [SOLVED], and a question on hdparm

2012-03-28 Thread Warren Young
On 3/28/2012 11:32 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: Yes, it is so bad that it is surprising that there is not a text-mode program that performs the functions of gparted - or is there one? There's cgdisk, from the gdisk package in EPEL. It solves most of the problems called out in my rant.

Re: [CentOS] xfs, inode64, and NFS

2012-03-07 Thread Warren Young
On 3/7/2012 11:16 AM, John R Pierce wrote: On 03/07/12 6:47 AM, Ross Walker wrote: These days XFS should always be inode64 enabled, given the size of disks, and NFS should have been fixed a long, long time ago. yes. problem is, we have clients that are running all sorts of OS's, including

Re: [CentOS] XFS on Centos 6.2 ?

2012-02-27 Thread Warren Young
On 2/27/2012 9:31 AM, admin lewis wrote: I need of to mount an XFS partition on Centos 6.2 .. but I cant find the kernel module.. # rpm -ivh http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/6/i386/epel-release-6-5.noarch.rpm # yum install kmod-xfs xfsprogs

Re: [CentOS] Ways To Practice Breaking My System?

2012-02-21 Thread Warren Young
On 2/21/2012 5:57 AM, Boris Epstein wrote: Things like boot process rarely break. I can't remember the last time I caused a system to outright fail to boot, but I *do* get unclean boots regularly. Examples: - Build and install some needed driver from source, yum upgrade repeatedly,

Re: [CentOS] Ways To Practice Breaking My System?

2012-02-21 Thread Warren Young
On 2/21/2012 1:45 AM, Alex Walker wrote: I've been looking into some ways to break a CentOS system so I can perform some simulated disaster recovery Bring up a fresh CentOS 6.0 system. Disable automatic updates. Add a bunch of third-party software. Install at least one bit of hardware so

Re: [CentOS] Is avahi essential?

2012-01-11 Thread Warren Young
On 1/11/2012 6:10 PM, Florin Andrei wrote: On 01/11/2012 06:03 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: It is for devices with IP, but to find names that aren't officially registered in a DNS server. For example if you have a Playstation 3, or a newer blu-ray player that supports network streaming it will

Re: [CentOS] CPU Usage when idle

2012-01-11 Thread Warren Young
On 1/11/2012 6:42 PM, Jorge Fábregas wrote: They did a great job with RHEL6 and I'm curious what was changed in order to accomplish this. It's probably the PowerTop work, primarily done to get better battery life on laptops by throttling the CPU down when it's idle:

Re: [CentOS] ASP running on a Linux Machine

2012-01-04 Thread Warren Young
On 1/4/2012 12:30 AM, Jonathan Vomacka wrote: this wasn't possible without a program like ChiliASP, ...which is now dead, apparently. noow I heard rumor that apache might have a plugin to allow it to read ASP. Rumor, really? I don't think open source works like that. We're not talking

Re: [CentOS] was, Re: This doesn't make sense, is the apache update

2011-09-23 Thread Warren Young
On 9/23/2011 1:21 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: The one thing I don't understand is this: AFAIK, apache release not a server update, but an update to the certificate chain, yanking Digitar's CA. What, pray tell, are you talking about? I assume you mean DigiNotar, the defunct Dutch CA? What

Re: [CentOS] Run commands automatically when bringing up/down network interfaces?

2011-09-14 Thread Warren Young
On 9/14/2011 1:26 PM, Edward Morbius wrote: I'm looking for a capability similar to Debian/Ubuntu's pre/post up/down network commands capability. If you look in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup, you'll see that it will call /sbin/ifup-pre-local if it exists, before bringing up the network

Re: [CentOS] Two ftp clients? Why?

2011-08-03 Thread Warren Young
On 8/2/2011 11:21 PM, Keith Roberts wrote: Having said that, I can also use my USB flash drive to transfer some files between those laptops and the machine running centos. But it's quicker for me to use ftp over the LAN. Even faster is Dropbox. If you keep the frequently-synched files in

Re: [CentOS] Two ftp clients? Why?

2011-08-03 Thread Warren Young
On 8/3/2011 6:57 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: Current versions [of rsync] run over ssh by default I didn't notice that change, thanks. I tracked it down, and it happened in rsync 2.6.0, which was released after EL3, which ships with 2.5.7. Alas, it appears I still need to keep -e ssh in muscle

Re: [CentOS] Two ftp clients? Why?

2011-08-03 Thread Warren Young
On 8/3/2011 10:11 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: Rsync barely works well on Windows So what does??? Please, can we drop the petty advocacy? You're undoubtedly quite aware that there's a hell of a lot of software that runs best on Windows. The fact that there's a lot of low-quality ports from *ix

Re: [CentOS] centos 64 bit

2011-07-13 Thread Warren Young
On 7/13/2011 7:27 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Code bloat... ah, yes, the joys of OOPs What does OOP have to do with this? Doubling the pointer size affects C, awk Consider Erlang, a functional language, not OOP in any way at all, not even in the sidecar way of, say, Perl. The most

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 system-config-bind missing?

2011-07-13 Thread Warren Young
On 7/12/2011 9:19 PM, Emmett Culley wrote: how are we to manage the DNS server? It is NOT trivial to create and manage DNS records with a text editor. If editing BIND zone files is too complex for you or it's just overly complex for your situation, I recommend switching to dnsmasq. It

Re: [CentOS] Vim and text file line ending handling

2011-07-08 Thread Warren Young
On 7/8/2011 4:40 PM, Lars Hecking wrote: I'd also love to teach vim how sto how those pesky ^M characters. It does, when the line ending style is mixed. When the line ending style is consistent, you can make Vim show the file type in the status line by adding something like this to your

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 32bit and 3Tbyte drives

2011-06-20 Thread Warren Young
On 6/18/2011 8:51 PM, Stephen Harris wrote: On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:13:00PM -0400, Lamar Owen wrote: On Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:00:25 PM Stephen Harris wrote: But space is running out; I wondering if the new 3Tb disks would work in this scenario; most importantly will

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 32bit and 3Tbyte drives

2011-06-20 Thread Warren Young
On 6/18/2011 8:00 PM, Stephen Harris wrote: I wondering if the new 3Tb disks would work in this scenario; I've tried 3 TB disks on a 32-bit CentOS 5 box, plugged into generic Intel PIIX on-board SATA ports. It seemed to work fine. I only did it to see if it would work, so I currently have no

Re: [CentOS] Boot speed (was: RHEL 6.1 beta)

2011-05-02 Thread Warren Young
On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: Trying to save a few seconds when rebooting a server seems pointlessto me The Linux kernel is also used in laptops/desktops Fast boots also matter for embedded systems. We integrate a series of Linux-based boxes made by another company into our

Re: [CentOS] Dag's RHEL Rebuild Project. [FLUFF]

2011-04-13 Thread Warren Young
On 4/13/2011 7:58 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: So when is DEntOS 6.0 going to be released? What's that? The latest electronic flossing toothbrush? The fresh maker! With the great new hot silicon flavor! Hot silicon? I thought that smell was smoldering Nomex underwear, from all the

Re: [CentOS] 32-bit kernel+XFS+16.xTB filesystem = potential disaster (was:Re: ZFS @ centOS)

2011-04-06 Thread Warren Young
On 4/5/2011 11:21 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: Dropping to 16.37 TB on the RAID configuration by switching to RAID-6 let us put almost the entire array under a single 16 TB XFS filesystem. You really, really, really don't want to do this. Actually, it seems that you can't do it any more. I tried,

Re: [CentOS] 32-bit kernel+XFS+16.xTB filesystem = potential disaster

2011-04-06 Thread Warren Young
On 4/5/2011 11:24 AM, Brandon Ooi wrote: Afaik 32-bit binaries do run on the 64-bit build and compat libraries exist for most everything. You should evaluate if you really *really* need 32-bit. Yes, thanks for assuming I don't know what I was talking about when I wrote that we had a hard

Re: [CentOS] 32-bit kernel+XFS+16.xTB filesystem = potential disaster

2011-04-06 Thread Warren Young
On 4/6/2011 11:40 AM, Finnur Örn Guðmundsson wrote: Just a shot in the darkbut can't you have a x86_64 NFS server export a fs larger then 16TB and mount that on your x86 machine for use with your application? I already ran the two-server idea past the decision makers. It was rejected,

Re: [CentOS] 32-bit kernel+XFS+16.xTB filesystem = potential disaster (was:Re: ZFS @ centOS)

2011-04-06 Thread Warren Young
On 4/6/2011 1:16 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: There are other issues with XFS and 32-bit; see: http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=3364 and http://www.mail-archive.com/scientific-linux-users@listserv.fnal.gov/msg05347.html and google for 'XFS 32-bit 4K stacks' for more of the gory details. Thanks

Re: [CentOS] 32-bit kernel+XFS+16.xTB filesystem = potentialdisaster

2011-04-06 Thread Warren Young
On 4/6/2011 12:25 PM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote: Don't scream: I'm using RedHat 7.3 for related reasons. Yep, we've still got a bunch of those running in the field, too, and many older besides. We still build new boxes using CentOS 3, also for legacy compatibility reasons. can a 64-bit

Re: [CentOS] ZFS @ centOS

2011-04-04 Thread Warren Young
On 4/2/2011 2:54 PM, Dawid Horacio Golebiewski wrote: I do want to use ZFS and I thus far I have only found information about the ZFS-Fuse implementation and unclear hints that there is another way. Here are some benchmark numbers I came up with just a week or two ago. (View with fixed-width

Re: [CentOS] ZFS @ centOS

2011-04-04 Thread Warren Young
On 4/4/2011 9:17 PM, John R Pierce wrote: try iozone Maybe on the next server. This one can't be reformatted yet again. bonnie++ That's what I used. I just reformatted its results for readability. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization platform choice

2011-03-28 Thread Warren Young
On 3/27/2011 3:07 PM, Jure Pečar wrote: It's interesting that nobody so far mentioned openVZ I wouldn't use it since being bitten by its lack of swap support. I run a couple of web sites on a fairly heavy web stack which loads up a bunch of dependencies that don't actually end up being used

Re: [CentOS] OT: programming language for morons (newbie friendly language in Open Source world)

2010-12-13 Thread Warren Young
On 12/13/2010 9:37 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 12/13/2010 10:14 AM, Sven Aluoor wrote: A friend said that C-Sharp (Mono) is very simple. Is this true? I doubt you'll find it any less complex than Java. The two are very similar, conceptually. C# exists more for political and business reasons

Re: [CentOS] OT: programming language for morons (newbie friendly language in Open Source world)

2010-12-13 Thread Warren Young
On 12/13/2010 12:08 PM, R P Herrold wrote: As the thread was for a newbie recommendation, I'd really consider Ruby before any of the others, Yes, Ruby can work for much the same reasons I gave for Perl in my previous post in this thread. I'd say it has a bigger mismatch w.r.t. shell script

Re: [CentOS] OT: programming language for morons (newbie friendly language in Open Source world)

2010-12-13 Thread Warren Young
On 12/13/2010 3:02 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 14:49 -0700, Warren Young wrote: C# exists more for political and business reasons than technical ones; it fills the same space Java could fill, in a platform-agnostic world. False. C# has significant technical

Re: [CentOS] OT: programming language for morons (newbie friendly language in Open Source world)

2010-12-13 Thread Warren Young
On 12/13/2010 3:30 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Have a look at Lua (www.lua.org). Imo it's quite readable and less snip Don't. I have literally never heard of it before, It's quite popular in some areas, particularly as an embedded scripting engine in games. Having written one substantial

Re: [CentOS] SELinux - way of the future or good idea but !!!

2010-12-09 Thread Warren Young
On 12/9/2010 1:54 AM, David Sommerseth wrote: For the vast majority of issues with SELinux, it possible to overcome them using the provided tools. Of course, but I think you're mistaking possible for practical. Everyone has different incentives and constraints. Allow me build an analogy with

Re: [CentOS] SELinux - way of the future or good idea but !!!

2010-12-09 Thread Warren Young
On 12/9/2010 2:05 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Also, Apple dictates style; to a lesser degree, so does M$. There's no dictated style guide for Linux. That's outdated thinking. Apple's acquired some infamy among its fanboy base for violating their old style guidelines, which AFAIR were last

Re: [CentOS] SELinux - way of the future or good idea but !!!

2010-12-08 Thread Warren Young
On 12/8/2010 7:13 AM, Christopher Chan wrote: Such [periodic failures] are fairly common I'd say the main reason someone chooses CentOS (or another Linux flavor with similar policies, like Ubuntu LTS) is that the distro provider has made a long-term support commitment with minimal churn

Re: [CentOS] SELinux - way of the future or good idea but !!!

2010-12-08 Thread Warren Young
[I'm guessing from the dozens of quoted lines per reply that many of y'all aren't as lucky as I am. I have a threading email reader with backing store, so I can go back and read past messages in a thread if I need more context than a brief quote can provide. I have been so lucky since the

Re: [CentOS] SELinux - way of the future or good idea but !!!

2010-12-08 Thread Warren Young
On 12/8/2010 3:04 AM, David Sommerseth wrote: it is still not recommendable to trade security for simplicity. Security is never an absolute, is *always* a tradeoff against simplicity. We could store our servers 16 feet underground and encased in concrete to prevent tampering and accidental

Re: [CentOS] SELinux - way of the future or good idea but !!!

2010-12-08 Thread Warren Young
On 12/8/2010 8:21 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: On Tuesday, December 07, 2010 06:29:44 pm Les Mikesell wrote: And if you can't get the simple version right, how can you hope to do it right with something wildly more complicated? Alright, pray tell how I, a desktop Linux user,... Let's not drag the

Re: [CentOS] SELinux - way of the future or good idea but !!!

2010-12-08 Thread Warren Young
On 12/8/2010 3:26 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Is there any central reporting concept in SELinux so a multi-machine admin doesn't have to go check each for all of the one-off cases and knowledge can be shared about the fixes needed for 3rd party RPMs? No. But then, there's not one for file

Re: [CentOS] SELinux - way of the future or good idea but !!!

2010-12-08 Thread Warren Young
On 12/8/2010 5:00 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: On Thursday, December 09, 2010 05:00 AM, Warren Young wrote: I assume you mean to advocate running updates infrequently, No, I advocate setting up SELinux properly which will take care of the automatic updates. That's great if you are wise enough

Re: [CentOS] SELinux - way of the future or good idea but !!!

2010-12-08 Thread Warren Young
On 12/8/2010 3:55 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: On Wednesday, December 08, 2010 05:11:23 pm Warren Young wrote: Let's not drag the desktop user into this discussion, too. Why not? I thought my reason was clear, but apparently not. You talk the talk of security, but I guess we hang in different

Re: [CentOS] XFS or EXT3 ?

2010-12-03 Thread Warren Young
On 12/3/2010 6:20 AM, Peter Kjellström wrote: What about the XFS admin tools - do these get installed when you format a partition as XFS from anaconda, or are they a seperate rpm package, installed later? They are in a separate rpm (xfsprogs, repository: extras). On that topic, there are

Re: [CentOS] memory upgrade cost (was: RHEL 6 Officially Released)

2010-11-11 Thread Warren Young
On 11/11/2010 7:53 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: It does not pay to replace the memory on these test systems. I can pick up 1Gb used SFF systems for about the same price as 512Mb memory for these old boxes. How much time (money) do you spend waiting on installers to run, when you force them

Re: [CentOS] was, PATA Hard Drive woes, is SMART

2010-11-04 Thread Warren Young
On 11/4/2010 1:31 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I said yes, fix them, and rebooted, and I don't see complaints. Good to hear it. Minor nit: I called fsck -cc resilvering, but that's not in spirit of the term. The name comes from the practice of taking an old mirror, stripping off the old

Re: [CentOS] PATA Hard Drive woes

2010-11-03 Thread Warren Young
On 11/3/2010 8:32 AM, Keith Roberts wrote: So to prepare the disk for returning under warranty, I used another HDD utility to clean the disk again ... So I ran an Advanced r/w scan again with Hitachi DFT, and the result was OK. A complete disk wipe brings bad sectors to the drive's

Re: [CentOS] PATA Hard Drive woes

2010-11-03 Thread Warren Young
On 11/3/2010 11:27 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Yeah, but I have problems with smartmon: More likely, problems with SMART. S.M.A.R.T. is D.U.M.B. :) It's better than nothing, but sometimes not by a whole lot. one server that's got two bad sectors, which SMART reports. I've followed the

Re: [CentOS] was, PATA Hard Drive woes, is SMART

2010-11-03 Thread Warren Young
On 11/3/2010 12:22 PM, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote: Maybe try fsck -cc for a non-destructive read-write test. Good call. That's resilvering. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] PATA Hard Drive woes

2010-11-03 Thread Warren Young
On 11/3/2010 4:18 PM, Keith Roberts wrote: I might shell out some dosh for a copy if it can non-destructably repair bad sectors. Try fsck -cc first. (Or badblocks -n) These do part of what SR does already, so if they work, that's all you need. Step up only when you need something that

Re: [CentOS] OT: linux desktop market share more than 1%

2010-10-08 Thread Warren Young
On 10/8/2010 6:14 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: is on Linux servers, but OS X Just Works(tm), and I don't have to be constantly fiddling to get tools working. I here that occasionally; since you switched to OS X shortly after it came out, which is like 5 years ago now OS X came out in

Re: [CentOS] OT: linux desktop market share more than 1%

2010-10-08 Thread Warren Young
On 10/8/2010 4:09 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: But OS X can legally only run on Apple (tm$$$) systems, where Linux can run on *anything* and anybody's inexpensive hardware. Apple hardware is fairly priced when compared on quality. Yes, there are cheap POS PCs that compare favorably on features

Re: [CentOS] OT: linux desktop market share more than 1%

2010-10-08 Thread Warren Young
On 10/8/2010 4:40 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 10/8/2010 5:25 PM, Warren Young wrote: But a fair comparison would be the Adobe Creative Suite, since Adobe presumably wants their software used everywhere. You can't blame Adobe for not porting it. They've dipped their toe in the water several

Re: [CentOS] OT: linux desktop market share more than 1%

2010-10-08 Thread Warren Young
On 10/8/2010 4:29 PM, Jerry Franz wrote: On 10/08/2010 03:25 PM, Warren Young wrote: There's more to a PC than [a] spec list. Apple runs commodity hardware that is essentially identical to everyone else's - just priced 3X more. ...says the guy comparing machines based only on the spec list

Re: [CentOS] [Slightly OT] Open Source Development + Tools - Book/Resource?

2010-09-27 Thread Warren Young
On 9/27/2010 2:10 PM, Bill Campbell wrote: Another is ``GNU Autoconf, Automake, and Libtool'' by Vaughan, Elliston, Tromey, and Taylor. Vaughan is still active on the autotools lists, and he occasionally pops in on threads mentioning his book, telling people they should be careful in

Re: [CentOS] In the press, once again

2010-09-24 Thread Warren Young
On 9/24/2010 10:54 AM, Benjamin Franz wrote: Until Cygwin's developers decide the join the rest of the window's universe in having an *uninstaller* it will remain not installed - ever on many people's systems, including mine. It is completely unacceptable that it is happy to install, but that

Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-13 Thread Warren Young
On 8/12/2010 9:03 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: ntpd always tries to move the clock fractional seconds at a time msntp does that, too, if you give the -a flag. (You have to give either -a or -r for it to change the system time at all.) ntpdate also does this, as long as the delta is less than half

Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Warren Young
On 8/12/2010 5:07 AM, Jason Pyeron wrote: [r...@devserver21 ~]# cat /etc/ntp.conf | grep -v ^# | grep -v ^$ restrict default nomodify notrap noquery restrict 127.0.0.1 server 192.168.1.67 server 192.168.1.66 server 192.168.1.65 Some HOWTOs tell you that more time servers is better, on a

Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Warren Young
On 8/12/2010 3:43 PM, Jason Pyeron wrote: Okay, I only have one timeserver, I meant that your on-site time server should be relying on only one other outside time server, one stratum up. but the ntp clients cowardly refuse to use less than 3. Only one server on a given LAN should be

Re: [CentOS] Date drift and ntpd

2010-08-12 Thread Warren Young
On 8/12/2010 4:15 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 08/12/10 2:51 PM, Warren Young wrote: Only one server on a given LAN should be running ntpd. It's overkill for every machine to keep themselves synced with such a complex and fussy server. All the others should just call ntpdate or msntp

Re: [CentOS] Dogs, trolls, and neighborly free/open source

2010-08-05 Thread Warren Young
On 8/5/2010 11:51 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: When someone says, I'm writing a shell script, and hereabouts I need $TOOL to do such and such, a good answer is usually forthcoming. When someone says, Tell me how to script this $PROJECT, the commmunity usually points the OP off to Google/Manual.

Re: [CentOS] To PAE or not to PAE...

2010-07-22 Thread Warren Young
On 7/22/2010 3:25 AM, John Doe wrote: I have a 4GB pc and was wondering if it was worth going the PAE way to gain those exta 700MB... Very few programs can use PAE to get at that extra RAM. Can the programs you run do this? Is your CPU 64-bit capable? That's generally a better idea than

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization as cheap redundancy option?

2010-06-28 Thread Warren Young
On 6/25/2010 8:33 AM, Brian Mathis wrote: - VMware Server seems like it's EOL, even though vmware hasn't specifically said so yet Given that there are known serious bugs in 2.0.2[*] and that release is now 8 months old, that seems plausible to me. But another plausible explanation is that

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization as cheap redundancy option?

2010-06-28 Thread Warren Young
On 6/28/2010 7:34 AM, Whit Blauvelt wrote: If you look on their site, they clearly specify that they do not offer a paid support option for VMware Server, that it's community supported only. Does that seem like an attitude towards a product they plan to update? It fits completely with a

Re: [CentOS] Virtualization as cheap redundancy option?

2010-06-28 Thread Warren Young
On 6/28/2010 7:59 AM, guillaume wrote: Why would one use vmware Server 2.x when ESXi is available free of charge, stable, small footprint, ... ? I've thought about it, but it's not really the right thing for us. Our VM host has some special hardware in it, driven by custom software which runs

Re: [CentOS] A

2010-05-18 Thread Warren Young
On 5/18/2010 10:59 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: Yes, A is the first letter of the Alphabet ;) Not for all values of the LANG environment variable. (Trying desperately to keep it on topic. Not being funny. No, not at all.) ___ CentOS mailing list

Re: [CentOS] compilers a security risk?

2010-03-08 Thread Warren Young
On 3/6/2010 4:04 PM, nate wrote: if you can upload source code, you can upload a precompiled binary True, but most attacks are automated, and try to attack as wide a range of machines as possible. If I were to write a bit of malware for *ix that needed a custom binary on the target machine,

Re: [CentOS] NFS client firewall config?

2010-02-19 Thread Warren Young
On 2/19/2010 1:38 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: I have done that, but it seems that either these settings don't work on CentOS5.4, or I'm doing something wrong. Is the remote machine also CentOS 5? NFS v4 is a relatively recent addition to Linux, so if your remote box is older, it might only be

Re: [CentOS] Mount USB disk at startup?

2010-02-04 Thread Warren Young
On 2/4/2010 7:10 AM, Mogens Kjaer wrote: On 02/04/2010 02:41 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote: ... how about mounting that drive on rc.local ? That's too late; I need it before /etc/init.d/mythbackend starts. # ls /etc/rc`runlevel | cut -c3`.d/*myth* Then write a script in /etc/init.d to wait for

Re: [CentOS] APC Smart-ups status codes (slightly OT)

2010-01-29 Thread Warren Young
On 1/29/2010 2:53 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Idiot change battery led stays on. By chance, I just did an RBC 23 change the other day. The docs I got with it said to let it charge for 8 hours, then do the self-test. On my UPS, that means holding the On button for a few seconds. (A single

Re: [CentOS] 8-15 TB storage: any recommendations?

2010-01-07 Thread Warren Young
On 1/6/2010 2:35 PM, Boris Epstein wrote: we are trying to set up some storage servers to run under Linux You should also consider FreeBSD 8.0, which has the newest version of ZFS up and running stably on it. I use Linux for most server tasks, but for big storage, Linux just doesn't have

Re: [CentOS] 8-15 TB storage: any recommendations?

2010-01-07 Thread Warren Young
On 1/7/2010 6:01 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: I'm not recommending OpenSolaris on purpose. Serious system administrators are not Linux fans I don't think. I think I must have been sent back in time, say to 1997 or so, because I can't possibly be reading this in 2010. I base this on the fact

Re: [CentOS] mkdir this . directory

2009-12-29 Thread Warren Young
On 12/29/2009 11:49 AM, Benjamin Franz wrote: John R Pierce wrote: Marko Vojinovic wrote: You mean new to the concept of files and directories? This is not Linux-only. The . and .. existed even in MS-DOS back in the 80's. having an actual . and .. file in a directory is a distinctly Unix

Re: [CentOS] [OT] Urgent request

2009-12-17 Thread Warren Young
On 12/17/2009 3:59 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 02:37:52PM -0800, John R Pierce wrote: what I meant was, without working video, how does he know what the error is? POST beep codes I would think. Yes, he confirmed that in a later message.

Re: [CentOS] scp with tty

2009-10-13 Thread Warren Young
Les Mikesell wrote: I'm still missing why you'd need to sudo inside the remote shell instead of ssh'ing as the right user in the first place. Perhaps he doesn't know the user@ syntax. Tony, try this: [localu...@host1 ~]$ ssh r...@host2 remotecmd This requires that the public key

Re: [CentOS] Rendering farm?

2009-10-12 Thread Warren Young
Scott Ehrlich wrote: I received at least one email suggesting a Windows-based rendering farm - likely to consist of a few rack systems all running 64-bit Windows. I read an article on Tomshardware which gave some decent insight. What can list participants offer on this concept? Well, since

Re: [CentOS] Rendering farm?

2009-10-12 Thread Warren Young
mark wrote: It's not anything I had ever looked into, or needed, but thanks for the view into the heavy duty rendering field. I'm glad you were able to extract some value from my incoherent babbling. (No false modestyon re-reading the post it's clear the caffeine isn't working

Re: [CentOS] Simple way to banish IP addresses ?

2009-10-09 Thread Warren Young
Toby Bluhm wrote: Try fail2ban from rpmforge. The main problem with fail2ban is that it's based on Python, so it takes a fair bit of memory. This isn't a big problem on a dedicated server or on a system with swap, but a lot of these attacks are made against shared servers or those running

Re: [CentOS] Apache and ASP or asp.net?

2009-08-26 Thread Warren Young
Dave wrote: Has anyone got this combination working? This was asked and answered on this very list just two weeks ago: http://www.linux-archive.org/centos/348850-asp-pages.html ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] ASP Pages?

2009-08-10 Thread Warren Young
ML wrote: Is there any way I can host his site on my Linux Server? Without re- writing it for him There used to be a project called ChiliSoft ASP that did this, but it appears that Sun bought them and then killed the product. As John R. Pierce noted, if his site is actually using

Re: [CentOS] slugishness

2009-07-15 Thread Warren Young
Scott Silva wrote: USB I believe is not a DMA based port, so the processor has to do a lot of work, especially at higher speeds. Rsync can also be a resource hog, as it keeps most of the hash tables in memory it uses to compare files with. True enough, though I wouldn't say USB is the whole

Re: [CentOS] server is always getting hacked

2009-07-01 Thread Warren Young
Michael A. Peters wrote: I still don't understand how using sudo instead of su makes it more secure. Let's start with the simple case where only one person needs superuser type privileges on a given machine. What, then, is the difference between sudo and su -? There has to be one

Re: [CentOS] server is always getting hacked

2009-07-01 Thread Warren Young
Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:05:58 -0700 Gary Greene wrote: . With sudo, you get a record of what command was executed with superuser rights by whom at whenever given hour. sudo bash If that's a problem for you, don't let people run bash via sudo. There's an entire body of

Re: [CentOS] server is always getting hacked

2009-06-30 Thread Warren Young
Justin Bull wrote: I don't know if you can disable su - Sure: usermod -L root. Before you do that, you need to have a user in /etc/sudoers that has root equivalence. Ubuntu does this by default. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] server is always getting hacked

2009-06-30 Thread Warren Young
Robert Heller wrote: (eg 'sudo su -' which is kind if redundant). A shortcut that I just recently learned: sudo -s gives you a root shell, like su. Not like su -, because it's not a login shell, so you don't get root's .bashrc and such, but you can then su - from within the root shell

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