Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-26 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday, March 25, 2011 03:35:29 pm Les Mikesell wrote: If 'get there' is defined as all redundant copies being in a consistent state, then you'll fail at this point in transactional mode in the fairly likely event that you have a network blip between the db master and slave(s) or one of

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-26 Thread Les Mikesell
On 3/26/11 12:51 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: On Friday, March 25, 2011 03:35:29 pm Les Mikesell wrote: If 'get there' is defined as all redundant copies being in a consistent state, then you'll fail at this point in transactional mode in the fairly likely event that you have a network blip between

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-25 Thread Les Mikesell
On 3/24/2011 2:07 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Having said that, I have this troubling thought for last decade: What exactly is high availability: is it 24/7 power on time? or is ti when needed. Please not it am not talking about the maybe arrogant on demand attitude of a human. Ok, h/a is

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-25 Thread John R Pierce
On 03/25/11 11:32 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: Not everything deals in transactions, though. The recently popular distributed database versions that scale up are more about doing something reasonable in scenarios where you can't guarantee a transaction state (where 'reasonable' is defined by the

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-25 Thread m . roth
John R Pierce wrote: On 03/25/11 11:32 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: Not everything deals in transactions, though. The recently popular distributed database versions that scale up are more about doing something reasonable in scenarios where you can't guarantee a transaction state (where

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-25 Thread Les Mikesell
On 3/25/2011 1:57 PM, John R Pierce wrote: Not everything deals in transactions, though. The recently popular distributed database versions that scale up are more about doing something reasonable in scenarios where you can't guarantee a transaction state (where 'reasonable' is defined by the

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-25 Thread John R Pierce
On 03/25/11 12:11 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: * Paradigm, as in, the new flavor toothpaste of spearment instead of peppermint is a New Paradigm!!! and will (dare I say it) Change the World As We Know It!! :) We're still trying to stick forks in Younameit as a Service (YaaS)

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-25 Thread Les Mikesell
On 3/25/2011 2:11 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Not everything deals in transactions, though. The recently popular distributed database versions that scale up are more about doing something reasonable in scenarios where you can't guarantee a transaction state (where 'reasonable' is defined by

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-25 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: On 3/25/2011 2:11 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Not everything deals in transactions, though. The recently popular distributed database versions that scale up are more about doing something reasonable in scenarios where you can't guarantee a transaction state (where

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-25 Thread John R Pierce
On 03/25/11 12:21 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: So no one develops new applications there? This is a large scale manufacturing execution system. You don't just go off and design an all new system based on the buzzwords d'jour, when your factories are dependent on it. Picture large factory floors

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-25 Thread Les Mikesell
On 3/25/2011 2:48 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Well... except that in this context, it's not only database transactions: it's any granular interaction between client and server. You don't, for example, want part of a form you've just clickedsubmit on to only partly get there, if there's a

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-25 Thread Les Mikesell
On 3/25/2011 2:59 PM, John R Pierce wrote: So no one develops new applications there? This is a large scale manufacturing execution system. You don't just go off and design an all new system based on the buzzwords d'jour, when your factories are dependent on it. Pretty much everyone is in

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-25 Thread John R Pierce
On 03/25/11 2:43 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: So doesn't that mean you need to start the next design sooner vs later? If the middleware layer handles most of the component interaction you might have some freedom to make piecemeal changes. On the other hand, distributed database technology is still

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-25 Thread John R Pierce
On 03/25/11 3:37 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 03/25/11 2:43 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: So doesn't that mean you need to start the next design sooner vs later? If the middleware layer handles most of the component interaction you might have some freedom to make piecemeal changes. On the other

[CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-24 Thread Rajagopal Swaminathan
Greetings, On 3/24/11, Akemi Yagi amy...@gmail.com wrote: I should note, however, that they are not for production use. Akemi Thanks Akemi very much for your always relevant and brilliant works. /rant As an Indian, where veda repository of knowledge originated, I have always looked at

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-24 Thread Bowie Bailey
On 3/24/2011 2:48 PM, Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote: I never understood the term Hig Availability : does it mean available as in soliciting ? High Availability means that you are pushing toward 100% uptime for your services. You try to make sure that no one event can take you down. What

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-24 Thread m . roth
Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote: On 3/24/11, Akemi Yagi amy...@gmail.com wrote: I should note, however, that they are not for production use. snip /rant snip I am sure you have heard of Hanuman from Ramayana the best grammarian known? Huh - it's been more than half a lifetime since I read a

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-24 Thread Rajagopal Swaminathan
Greetings, Dear Roth, thanks for you reply. I am your fan club member. (Hero worshipping is not new to India : Dr. S. Chandrashekhar (Chicago University), Dr APJ Abdul Kalam, Sachin Tendulkar, Amitabh Bachan, Rajnikant and the such) in a country of 1/6th earth's population. But I am still just

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-24 Thread Denniston, Todd A CIV NAVSURFWARCENDIV Crane
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Rajagopal Swaminathan Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 14:49 To: CentOS mailing list Subject: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

Re: [CentOS] {OT] Re: Installing IMA (Integrity Measurement Architecture) on CentOS 5.5

2011-03-24 Thread Rajagopal Swaminathan
Greetings, Thanks for your reply. On 3/25/11, Denniston, Todd A CIV NAVSURFWARCENDIV Crane todd.dennis...@navy.mil wrote: So have you and your boss prearranged a level of operational performance will be met during a contractual measurement period? Something like: The system will be available