Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-23 Thread Ross Walker
On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Ian Murray murra...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Only joking. I take your point, but the critical fixes being held up for a dot release isn't really very Enterprise friendly either. I think it fair to say that CentOS is not suitable for the enterprise unless the servers

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-23 Thread Ryan Ordway
On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 02/22/2011 02:35 PM, Ian Murray wrote: I did think about that when when I made my earlier comment. The trouble is is that it obviously isn't working because we have these list flame-ups. I think 8 million unique machines disagree

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-22 Thread Steve Lindemann
Corey A Johnson wrote: John Hinton wrote: All, (and please do not turn this into the next long thread) snip I am not a man of many words.. and i am usually very quiet on this list. But would just like to say that i appreciate all the CentOS team members immensely. I sincerely

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-22 Thread Fred Wittekind
I understand how answering everyone's requests for progress updates can slow a development process, I've been on the development side of that before. I want a progress report as much as anyone I'm sure (and so does my boss), but, I'm not going to ask for it. I instead spend a little time, and

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-22 Thread Ian Murray
No one is taking you wrong here; Did you check with everybody before you spoke for them all? How about the project renames the distribution to IfYouDontLikeItYouAreNotForcedToUseItOS? That is a fantastic idea because IMHO it would be a much fairer assessment of the

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-22 Thread Brunner, Brian T.
How about the project renames the distribution to IfYouDontLikeItYouAreNotForcedToUseItOS? That is a fantastic idea because IMHO it would be a much fairer assessment of the distribution than alluding to the Enterprise aspect. Calling it Enterprise is important because doing

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-22 Thread Ian Murray
Calling it Enterprise is important because doing so establishes the *origin* and the *objective* of the work: a BUG-FOR-BUG-IDENTICAL de-branding/re-branding of Red Hat ENTERPRISE Linux. How about BugforbugIdenticaldebreandingrebrandingofupstreamenterpriselinuxOS? Only joking. I take

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-22 Thread John R. Dennison
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 07:54:58PM +, Ian Murray wrote: No one is taking you wrong here; Did you check with everybody before you spoke for them all? Pretty damned sure I made it explicitly clear in a post from Sunday that I speak only for myself and no one

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-22 Thread Aleksey Tsalolikhin
I really appreciate the availability of CentOS. Thank you to all the people who work on it and form part of this community!! Best, Aleksey ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-22 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 02/22/2011 02:35 PM, Ian Murray wrote: Calling it Enterprise is important because doing so establishes the *origin* and the *objective* of the work: a BUG-FOR-BUG-IDENTICAL de-branding/re-branding of Red Hat ENTERPRISE Linux. How about

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-22 Thread Lucian
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: I think 8 million unique machines disagree with you assessment. With 8 million unique machines running Centos and perhaps millions people more depending on them comes great responsability. I hope the Centos crew know what

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-22 Thread David Brian Chait
With 8 million unique machines running Centos and perhaps millions people more depending on them comes great responsability. I hope the Centos crew know what they're doing. Obviously they do, or they would not have come this far. ___ CentOS mailing

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-22 Thread Ian Murray
I think 8 million unique machines disagree with you assessment. Who knows, maybe all 8 million are wrong and the 10-20 people who are discussing it on this list are right. Man, you could build a killer botnet if you wanted to!! (which strengthens your argument about the point about the

[CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread John Hinton
All, (and please do not turn this into the next long thread) We have a small team which volunteers their time to create the CentOS releases. They are pounded right now with getting that done... it is as simple as that. Each of us 'chose' to use CentOS and with that choice comes nothing more.

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Corey A Johnson
John Hinton wrote: All, (and please do not turn this into the next long thread) snip I am not a man of many words.. and i am usually very quiet on this list. But would just like to say that i appreciate all the CentOS team members immensely. I sincerely thank you all for the time

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Nicolas Ross
John Hinton wrote: All, (and please do not turn this into the next long thread) snip I am not a man of many words.. and i am usually very quiet on this list. But would just like to say that i appreciate all the CentOS team members immensely. I sincerely thank you all for the

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Always Learning
On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 13:34 -0500, Corey A Johnson wrote: I am not a man of many words.. and i am usually very quiet on this list. But would just like to say that i appreciate all the CentOS team members immensely. I sincerely thank you all for the time you put in to what i consider

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Barry Brimer
I am not a man of many words.. and i am usually very quiet on this list. But would just like to say that i appreciate all the CentOS team members immensely. I sincerely thank you all for the time you put in to what i consider the best free Linux distro available. +1000

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Digimer
On 02/21/2011 01:21 PM, John Hinton wrote: All, (and please do not turn this into the next long thread) We have a small team which volunteers their time to create the CentOS releases. They are pounded right now with getting that done... it is as simple as that. Each of us 'chose' to use

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Ian Murray
2. Add more staff. As a small business owner, the very last thing you want to do is add more staff when you are in a slammed state. It takes all of the 'productive' workers time to train the new staff and output slows to a crawl. .

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Digimer
On 02/21/2011 04:02 PM, Ian Murray wrote: another six months and 5.6 another 2 months. Perhaps we have been spoilt by the snappiness of the releases in the past. Plus, rename to something that doesn't suggest enterprise grade. You always have the option of paying for a RHEL license if

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Barry Brimer
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011, Ian Murray wrote: Plus, rename to something that doesn't suggest enterprise grade. How does the time between upstream release and downstream release have any effect on whether or not something is considered enterprise grade? Barry

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread aly . khimji
I too am with the fella's on this. Thanks for all your time and hard work. It is greatly appreciated, more then words can say. Aly --Original Message-- From: Corey A Johnson Sender: centos-boun...@centos.org To: CentOS mailing list ReplyTo: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Air

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Fajar Priyanto
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 2:21 AM, John Hinton webmas...@ew3d.com wrote: We have a small team which volunteers their time to create the CentOS releases. They are pounded right now with getting that done... it is as simple as that. Each of us 'chose' to use CentOS and with that choice comes

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message From: Barry Brimer li...@brimer.org To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Mon, 21 February, 2011 21:12:57 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON! On Mon, 21 Feb 2011, Ian Murray wrote: Plus, rename to something that doesn't suggest

Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread John R. Dennison
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:33:39AM +, Ian Murray wrote: You get me wrong here. I am not having a go about how long the updates are taking...(if you think I am, you are not reading my comments properly)... take as long as you want... just please don't dress the distribution as