Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-16 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On 12/16/2020 12:09 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: On 12/14/20 10:54 AM, Yves Bellefeuille wrote: The article states that CentOS will now be "upstream" of RHEL instead of "downstream". This is strange to me. I never thought CentOS was upstream or downstream of RHEL; I always thought it *was* RHEL --

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-16 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/14/20 10:54 AM, Yves Bellefeuille wrote: The article states that CentOS will now be "upstream" of RHEL instead of "downstream". This is strange to me. I never thought CentOS was upstream or downstream of RHEL; I always thought it *was* RHEL -- perhaps a little delayed, but that's not

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-16 Thread Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393) Washington DC (USA) via CentOS
On Dec 16, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > Even out side the maintenance phase .. there will be some bugs that will > get incorporated into the next point release. Those should be in Stream > first. > > There will never be another 'downstream rhel source code build' done by > Red Hat.

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-16 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/16/20 10:47 AM, James Pearson wrote: > Johnny Hughes: >>> >>> As others have said, it misses the _really_ important bit about the >>> traditional CentOS model which is to follow the RHEL ~10 year life cycle >>> It doesn't matter how good/rock solid/whatever CentOS Stream turns out to >>>

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-16 Thread James Pearson
Johnny Hughes: >> >> As others have said, it misses the _really_ important bit about the >> traditional CentOS model which is to follow the RHEL ~10 year life cycle >> It doesn't matter how good/rock solid/whatever CentOS Stream turns out to >> be, but if it only has a 5 year life cycle for each

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-15 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/15/20 6:30 PM, R C wrote: > > On 12/15/20 3:04 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> >> If you want a RHEL clone, that's fine.  There will be one available. >> Someone will make one. > > Once IBM owns it?  You think?  They allowed cloning once ..  a long time > ago. > How many people have to tell

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-15 Thread R C
On 12/15/20 3:04 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: If you want a RHEL clone, that's fine. There will be one available. Someone will make one. Once IBM owns it?  You think?  They allowed cloning once ..  a long time ago. ___ CentOS mailing list

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-15 Thread R C
On 12/15/20 4:11 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 5:04 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: On 12/14/20 8:25 AM, James Pearson wrote: Nicolas Kovacs Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream:

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-15 Thread Tom Bishop
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 5:35 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/15/20 5:11 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 5:04 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > > > >> On 12/14/20 8:25 AM, James Pearson wrote: > >>> Nicolas Kovacs > > Here's an interesting read which makes a point for

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-15 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/15/20 5:11 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 5:04 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> On 12/14/20 8:25 AM, James Pearson wrote: >>> Nicolas Kovacs Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream: >>

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-15 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 5:04 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/14/20 8:25 AM, James Pearson wrote: > > Nicolas Kovacs > >> > >> Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream: > >> > >> >

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-15 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/14/20 8:25 AM, James Pearson wrote: > Nicolas Kovacs >> >> Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream: >> >> https://freedomben.medium.com/centos-is-not-dead-please-stop-saying-it-is-at-least-until-you-read-this-4b26b5c44877 >> >> tl;dr: Communication about Stream was

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Mauricio Tavares
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 9:41 AM Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > > Le 14/12/2020 à 15:25, James Pearson a écrit : > > As others have said, it misses the _really_ important bit about the > > traditional CentOS model which is to follow the RHEL ~10 year life cycle > > I totally agree with you. > > But when

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Jon Pruente
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 8:25 AM James Pearson wrote: > I agree that Redhat really screwed up this announcement - they would have > got a lot more kudos if they had announced CentOS Stream to exist along > with keeping the current traditional CentOS ... > Oh, but they did do that. Last year,

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Simon Matter
Hi, > "Nicolas Kovacs" wrote: > >> >> https://freedomben.medium.com/centos-is-not-dead-please-stop-saying-it-is-at-least-until-you-read-this-4b26b5c44877 > > The article states that CentOS will now be "upstream" of RHEL instead > of "downstream". > > This is strange to me. I never thought

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Yves Bellefeuille
"Nicolas Kovacs" wrote: > > https://freedomben.medium.com/centos-is-not-dead-please-stop-saying-it-is-at-least-until-you-read-this-4b26b5c44877 The article states that CentOS will now be "upstream" of RHEL instead of "downstream". This is strange to me. I never thought CentOS was upstream or

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS
On 14.12.2020 22:39, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > On 12/14/20 4:09 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: >> On 14.12.2020 21:41, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: >>> Le 14/12/2020 à 15:25, James Pearson a écrit : As others have said, it misses the _really_ important bit about the traditional

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
On 12/14/20 4:09 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: > On 14.12.2020 21:41, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: >> Le 14/12/2020 à 15:25, James Pearson a écrit : >>> As others have said, it misses the _really_ important bit about the >>> traditional CentOS model which is to follow the RHEL ~10 year life

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS
On 14.12.2020 21:41, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > Le 14/12/2020 à 15:25, James Pearson a écrit : >> As others have said, it misses the _really_ important bit about the >> traditional CentOS model which is to follow the RHEL ~10 year life cycle > > I totally agree with you. > > But when you disagree

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 14/12/2020 à 15:25, James Pearson a écrit : > As others have said, it misses the _really_ important bit about the > traditional CentOS model which is to follow the RHEL ~10 year life cycle I totally agree with you. But when you disagree with someone (e.g. the CentOS team), it's good at least

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread James Pearson
Nicolas Kovacs > > Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream: > > https://freedomben.medium.com/centos-is-not-dead-please-stop-saying-it-is-at-least-until-you-read-this-4b26b5c44877 > > tl;dr: Communication about Stream was BAD, but Stream itself might be a good > thing.

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Gionatan Danti
Il 2020-12-14 13:07 Nicolas Kovacs ha scritto: Hi, Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream: https://freedomben.medium.com/centos-is-not-dead-please-stop-saying-it-is-at-least-until-you-read-this-4b26b5c44877 tl;dr: Communication about Stream was BAD, but Stream itself

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Walter H.
On 14.12.2020 13:07, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: Hi, Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream: https://freedomben.medium.com/centos-is-not-dead-please-stop-saying-it-is-at-least-until-you-read-this-4b26b5c44877 tl;dr: Communication about Stream was BAD, but Stream itself

[CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Hi, Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream: https://freedomben.medium.com/centos-is-not-dead-please-stop-saying-it-is-at-least-until-you-read-this-4b26b5c44877 tl;dr: Communication about Stream was BAD, but Stream itself might be a good thing. Here's why. Cheers,