Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-23 Thread Lists
is pretty thin. I ended up trying to install LessFS on this CentOS 5.7 box but we have now encountered problems with fuse version. Has anyone out there been able to get LessFS running on CentOS 5.7 and can provide some pointers? If not LessFS can you suggest an alternate deduplication software

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-22 Thread Ross Walker
On Jan 17, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Hugh E Cruickshank h...@forsoft.com wrote: From: Les Mikesell Sent: January 17, 2012 05:56 Big disks are cheap these days - I wouldn't worry that much about the total space that much and you'll still be able to keep a lot online. This is true for current

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-22 Thread Les Mikesell
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Ross Walker rswwal...@gmail.com wrote: If this is only a 1-2 year temporary solution and the backups will be discarded once a permanent solution is obtained then I'm sure it will be OK. If your thinking of building a long-term backup solution this way then

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-22 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Mon, 2012-01-16 at 15:50 -0800, Hugh E Cruickshank wrote: We have been looking at implementing deduplication on a backup server. From what I have been able to find the available documentation is pretty thin. I ended up trying to install LessFS on this CentOS 5.7 box but we have now

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Lars Hecking
Hugh E Cruickshank writes: Hi All: We have been looking at implementing deduplication on a backup server. From what I have been able to find the available documentation is pretty thin. I ended up trying to install LessFS on this CentOS 5.7 box but we have now encountered problems with fuse

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Les Mikesell
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Hugh E Cruickshank h...@forsoft.com wrote: If not LessFS can you suggest an alternate deduplication software? Backuppc dedups (and compresses) at the file level using hardlinks. Trust you to always come up with an interesting suggestion or two. I will have

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Hugh E Cruickshank
From: John R Pierce Sent: January 16, 2012 21:45 I hope you know, dedup systems rarely scale well, as the corpus of files get bigger and bigger, they can really grind to a halt. Thanks, I have read that but I have not seen any quantitative qualifications on this so I was planning on doing

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Hugh E Cruickshank
From: Nataraj Sent: January 16, 2012 23:56 The ZFSonlinux project from LLNL looks promising (native mode kernel implementation, pool version 28), although the version that supports mountable filesystems is still in the RC stage. I would want some solid testing before deploying in a backup

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Hugh E Cruickshank
From: David Hrbác Sent: January 16, 2012 22:55 I've got something in my repo http://fs12.vsb.cz/hrb33/el5/hrb/stable/i386/repoview/fuse-les sfs.html. Might be somewhat outdated. You can try it and we can build new versions. As to alternatives I'm happy with rdiff-backup. Hi David: Both

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Hugh E Cruickshank
From: Lars Hecking Sent: January 17, 2012 01:51 Maybe try CentOS6. We've had numerous fuse issues with other software on CentOS5 and one recommendation was to use a newer kernel, which essentially means a newer distro. I had considered this but I have been avoiding it. All our production

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Hugh E Cruickshank h...@forsoft.com wrote: Later this year or early next year we will replacing all our production servers and use the latest RHEL available at the time (probably RHEL6). We will then look at upgrading all the backup and development servers to

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Hugh E Cruickshank
From: Les Mikesell Sent: January 17, 2012 05:56 Big disks are cheap these days - I wouldn't worry that much about the total space that much and you'll still be able to keep a lot online. This is true for current hardware however I am attempting to reuse our existing hardware that has been

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread John R Pierce
On 01/17/12 1:00 PM, Hugh E Cruickshank wrote: From: Les Mikesell Sent: January 17, 2012 05:56 Big disks are cheap these days - I wouldn't worry that much about the total space that much and you'll still be able to keep a lot online. This is true for current hardware however I am

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Hugh E Cruickshank
From: John R Pierce Sent: January 17, 2012 13:17 penny wise, and pound foolish comes to mind here. that older server probably has 1-2 single core processors, too, right? a 2 socket modern 2U could virtualize a dozen of those and outperform each one. This may be true in your

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
On 01/17/2012 09:29 PM, Hugh E Cruickshank wrote: From: Nataraj Sent: January 16, 2012 23:56 The ZFSonlinux project from LLNL looks promising (native mode kernel implementation, pool version 28), although the version that supports mountable filesystems is still in the RC stage. I would want

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Hugh E Cruickshank h...@forsoft.com wrote: Big disks are cheap these days - I wouldn't worry that much about the total space that much and you'll still be able to keep a lot online. This is true for current hardware however I am attempting to reuse our

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Nataraj
On 01/17/2012 03:36 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: I wouldn't trust any of the software block-dedup systems with my only copy of something important - plus they need a lot of RAM which your old systems probably don't have either. I am interested in backuppc, however from what I read online it

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Nataraj
On 01/17/2012 02:36 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: On 01/17/2012 09:29 PM, Hugh E Cruickshank wrote: From: Nataraj Sent: January 16, 2012 23:56 The ZFSonlinux project from LLNL looks promising (native mode kernel implementation, pool version 28), although the version that supports mountable

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
On 01/18/2012 01:46 AM, Nataraj wrote: On 01/17/2012 02:36 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: On 01/17/2012 09:29 PM, Hugh E Cruickshank wrote: From: Nataraj Sent: January 16, 2012 23:56 The ZFSonlinux project from LLNL looks promising (native mode kernel implementation, pool version 28),

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread John R Pierce
On 01/17/12 4:41 PM, Nataraj wrote: On 01/17/2012 03:36 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: I wouldn't trust any of the software block-dedup systems with my only copy of something important - plus they need a lot of RAM which your old systems probably don't have either. I am interested in

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Nataraj
On 01/17/2012 04:59 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 01/17/12 4:41 PM, Nataraj wrote: On 01/17/2012 03:36 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: I wouldn't trust any of the software block-dedup systems with my only copy of something important - plus they need a lot of RAM which your old systems probably don't

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Nataraj incoming-cen...@rjl.com wrote: I wouldn't trust any of the software block-dedup systems with my only copy of something important - plus they need a lot of RAM which your old systems probably don't have either. I am interested in backuppc, however

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Nataraj
On 01/17/2012 07:31 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Nothing will fix a file if the disk underneath goes bad and you aren't running raid. And in my case I run raid1 and regularly swap disks out for offsite copies and resync. But, backuppc makes the links based on an actual comparison, so if an old

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-17 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Nataraj incoming-cen...@rjl.com wrote: At this point I am only reading the experience of others, but I am inclined to try it.  I backup a mediawiki/mysql database and the new records are added to the database largely by appending.  Even with compression, it's

[CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-16 Thread Hugh E Cruickshank
Hi All: We have been looking at implementing deduplication on a backup server. From what I have been able to find the available documentation is pretty thin. I ended up trying to install LessFS on this CentOS 5.7 box but we have now encountered problems with fuse version. Has anyone out

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-16 Thread Ken godee
We have been looking at implementing deduplication on a backup server. If not LessFS can you suggest an alternate deduplication software? http://openindiana.org/ Solaris 11 Express http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.0R/announce.html (ZFS pool version = 28)

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-16 Thread Hugh E Cruickshank
From: Ken godee Sent: January 16, 2012 19:58 We have been looking at implementing deduplication on a backup server. If not LessFS can you suggest an alternate deduplication software? http://openindiana.org/ Solaris 11 Express http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.0R/announce.html These

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-16 Thread Les Mikesell
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Hugh E Cruickshank h...@forsoft.com wrote: We have been looking at implementing deduplication on a backup server. From what I have been able to find the available documentation is pretty thin. I ended up trying to install LessFS on this CentOS 5.7 box but we

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-16 Thread Hugh E Cruickshank
From: Les Mikesell Sent: January 16, 2012 20:55 On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Hugh E Cruickshank wrote: If not LessFS can you suggest an alternate deduplication software? Backuppc dedups (and compresses) at the file level using hardlinks. Not quite as effective as a block level if you

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-16 Thread John R Pierce
On 01/16/12 9:26 PM, Hugh E Cruickshank wrote: Trust you to always come up with an interesting suggestion or two. I will have a further look at this but, on first blush, I do not think that this will be very effective in our environment. We will be backing up several small databases 1-8 GB

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-16 Thread David Hrbáč
Dne 17.1.2012 0:50, Hugh E Cruickshank napsal(a): Hi All: We have been looking at implementing deduplication on a backup server. From what I have been able to find the available documentation is pretty thin. I ended up trying to install LessFS on this CentOS 5.7 box but we have now

Re: [CentOS] CentOS and LessFS

2012-01-16 Thread Nataraj
On 01/16/2012 03:50 PM, Hugh E Cruickshank wrote: Hi All: We have been looking at implementing deduplication on a backup server. From what I have been able to find the available documentation is pretty thin. I ended up trying to install LessFS on this CentOS 5.7 box but we have now