Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:59:21 am Alan Hodgson wrote: On January 4, 2011 07:36:27 am Lamar Owen wrote: But, honestly, I personally would love to use a PostgreSQL backend so that real concurrent access is possible; dbmail with PostgreSQL works really well. Thanks for the pointer;

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-05 Thread Les Mikesell
On 1/5/2011 9:51 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: On Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:59:21 am Alan Hodgson wrote: On January 4, 2011 07:36:27 am Lamar Owen wrote: But, honestly, I personally would love to use a PostgreSQL backend so that real concurrent access is possible; dbmail with PostgreSQL works

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 20:17 -0500, Jason Pyeron wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many modifications) imap-2002d-14 procmail-3.22-10.el3.centos.0 To a maildir setup...

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Dominik Zyla
On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 08:52:23AM -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 20:17 -0500, Jason Pyeron wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Jason Pyeron
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Adam Tauno Williams Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:52 To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 20:17 -0500, Jason Pyeron wrote

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Ross Walker
On Jan 4, 2011, at 8:52 AM, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 20:17 -0500, Jason Pyeron wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 09:05 -0500, Jason Pyeron wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 20:17 -0500, Jason Pyeron wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 15:06 +0100, Dominik Zyla wrote: On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 08:52:23AM -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 20:17 -0500, Jason Pyeron wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 09:07 -0500, Ross Walker wrote: On Jan 4, 2011, at 8:52 AM, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org wrote: There are numerous IMAP servers that support maildir, and scripts to import MBOX files - that is how I would approach it. [But then I wouldn't use Maildir;

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Dominik Zyla
On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 09:14:57AM -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 15:06 +0100, Dominik Zyla wrote: On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 08:52:23AM -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 20:17 -0500, Jason Pyeron wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Kevin Thorpe
Yup, Cyrus was rock solid for us for years with Thunderbird as the client. We were forced into an Exchange replacement (Scalix) and now Google mail because 'Thunderbird is clunky (read: follows all of the user interface guidelines) and Outlook is cool (read: actually forces overrides on

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Benjamin Franz
On 01/04/2011 06:14 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 15:06 +0100, Dominik Zyla wrote: Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage is an internal [server's] problem. No. They are being eminently practical. mbox

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread m . roth
Dominik Zyla wrote: On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 09:14:57AM -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 15:06 +0100, Dominik Zyla wrote: SNIP Mbox is much more slower during operations on it. It's because it's operate on single file, Correct, but who cares? If the server provides

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Lamar Owen
On Tuesday, January 04, 2011 09:14:57 am Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 15:06 +0100, Dominik Zyla wrote: Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage is an internal [server's] problem. Hmmm, not quite. When

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Jeff
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Jason Pyeron jpye...@pdinc.us wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many modifications) imap-2002d-14 procmail-3.22-10.el3.centos.0 To a

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Les Mikesell
On 1/4/2011 9:38 AM, Jeff wrote: Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many modifications) imap-2002d-14 procmail-3.22-10.el3.centos.0 Regardless of the maildir vs mbox argument, I would be seriously examining why you

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 09:38 -0600, Jeff wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Jason Pyeron jpye...@pdinc.us wrote: And with regard to backup space, it might be time to suck it up and tell your users that you need to implement mail quotas. How much are you backing up from Sent and Trash

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Les Mikesell
On 1/4/2011 8:14 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage is an internal [server's] problem. So how do you suggest solving that problem when it is in fact a problem? -- Les Mikesell

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Alan Hodgson
On January 4, 2011 07:36:27 am Lamar Owen wrote: In my case, our primary e-mail server is Scalix, so that dictated the storage format. But, honestly, I personally would love to use a PostgreSQL backend so that real concurrent access is possible; dbmail with PostgreSQL works really well. I

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 09:56 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: On 1/4/2011 8:14 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage is an internal [server's] problem. So how do you suggest solving that problem when

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Jason Pyeron
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Adam Tauno Williams Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:51 To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 09:38 -0600, Jeff wrote: On Mon

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Dominik Zyla
On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 09:38:47AM -0600, Jeff wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Jason Pyeron jpye...@pdinc.us wrote: Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Les Mikesell
On 1/4/2011 10:00 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage is an internal [server's] problem. So how do you suggest solving that problem when it is in fact a problem? You're missing the point of my

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Jason Pyeron
-Original Message- From: Les Mikesell Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 12:28 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir On 1/4/2011 10:00 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Rob Kampen
Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 09:56 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: On 1/4/2011 8:14 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so. Details of message storage is an internal [server's] problem.

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Rob Kampen
Jason Pyeron wrote: -Original Message- From: Les Mikesell Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 12:28 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir On 1/4/2011 10:00 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Many people care about storage format. And they are misguided in doing so

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Scott Silva
snip Odd that you would mention that, just after saying you shouldn't care... And in fact, some servers (e.g. dovecot) may handle more Thank you. http://wiki.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/Maildir I am now going to look for a setup guide of procmail-Maildir-dovecot on RHEL/Centos A

Re: [CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-04 Thread Devin Reade
I've been happily using and deploying Cyrus based systems for over a decade, so I'll jump in with my $0.02. Many people care about storage format. It was mentioned previously that Cyrus IMAPd uses an internal format. Well, it happens that that internal format is really just the mail message

[CentOS] Converting to maildir

2011-01-03 Thread Jason Pyeron
Looking for a guide on converting to Maildir. Here are our relevant specs. sendmail-8.12.11-4.RHEL3.6 (we may not be able to upgrade this due to too many modifications) imap-2002d-14 procmail-3.22-10.el3.centos.0 To a maildir setup... rant I was in a panic today at work because the backup