Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-12 Thread Rudi Ahlers
Have you looked at the SME server disto from http://www.contribs.org? It installs as an appliance-like setup managed through a simple web interface. The code is mostly centos and includes hoard webmail running over dovecot with maildir storage out of the box. It doesn't have a shared

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-12 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
We are a public k-12 school and are looking to migrate to a groupware style system for out staff to collaborate better. Currently we are using Squirrelmail/postfix for email. Does anyone have any recommendations/opinions. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you I would stick

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-12 Thread Les Mikesell
Adam Tauno Williams wrote: This is one of the beauties of OpenGroupware - it's just PostgreSQL and the filesystem. Simple and clean; PostgreSQL 8.3 performance is very good. And you just reuse whatever SMTP/IMAP architecture you have or want, this a strong bias towards Cyrus (of course).

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-10 Thread Tom Diehl
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Kevin Thorpe wrote: Bo Lynch wrote: Just wanted to get some thoughts from the list. We are a public k-12 school and are looking to migrate to a groupware style system for out staff to collaborate better. Currently we are using Squirrelmail/postfix for email. Does

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Kevin Thorpe
Bo Lynch wrote: Just wanted to get some thoughts from the list. We are a public k-12 school and are looking to migrate to a groupware style system for out staff to collaborate better. Currently we are using Squirrelmail/postfix for email. Does anyone have any recommendations/opinions.

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Kai Schaetzl
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Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Bo Lynch
On Fri, January 9, 2009 6:23 am, Kevin Thorpe wrote: Bo Lynch wrote: Just wanted to get some thoughts from the list. We are a public k-12 school and are looking to migrate to a groupware style system for out staff to collaborate better. Currently we are using Squirrelmail/postfix for

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Rainer Duffner
Bo Lynch schrieb: On Fri, January 9, 2009 6:23 am, Kevin Thorpe wrote: Bo Lynch wrote: Just wanted to get some thoughts from the list. We are a public k-12 school and are looking to migrate to a groupware style system for out staff to collaborate better. Currently we are using

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Andrew Cotter
Hm. Zimbra does _that_ very well IMO. Supports IE+FF+Safari, at least for the webmail-stuff. I'm not sure if the Open-Source version actually supports the Outlook-stuff (we use the commercial version and I don't use Outlook anyway...). I'd give Zimbra a try. It's relatively easy

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Bo Lynch
On Fri, January 9, 2009 10:07 am, Rainer Duffner wrote: Bo Lynch schrieb: On Fri, January 9, 2009 6:23 am, Kevin Thorpe wrote: Bo Lynch wrote: Just wanted to get some thoughts from the list. We are a public k-12 school and are looking to migrate to a groupware style system for out

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Bo Lynch
On Wed, January 7, 2009 7:19 pm, Craig White wrote: On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 18:54 -0500, Bo Lynch wrote: So are you required to run zimbras release of these packages? If you are forced to use them then how delayed are the releases. Are you able to use something other than amavis and clam for

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Rainer Duffner
Bo Lynch schrieb: Can you use postfix with horde/imp? Well, postfix is just a MTA. IMP will use localhost:25 or /usr/lib/sendmail to send mail ;-) What's more interesting is the choice of IMAP-server ;-) Rainer ___ CentOS mailing list

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Bo Lynch
On Fri, January 9, 2009 11:31 am, Rainer Duffner wrote: Bo Lynch schrieb: Can you use postfix with horde/imp? Well, postfix is just a MTA. IMP will use localhost:25 or /usr/lib/sendmail to send mail ;-) What's more interesting is the choice of IMAP-server ;-) Rainer

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Rainer Duffner
Bo Lynch schrieb: Should I be concerned with the Licensing structure down the road? Meaning in your opinion do you think that zimbra will close its door on the open source model. The chance is always there. I come from the BSD-world, where this is happening regularly (or actually designed to

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Bo Lynch
On Fri, January 9, 2009 11:31 am, Rainer Duffner wrote: Bo Lynch schrieb: Can you use postfix with horde/imp? Well, postfix is just a MTA. IMP will use localhost:25 or /usr/lib/sendmail to send mail ;-) What's more interesting is the choice of IMAP-server ;-) Rainer

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Rainer Duffner
Bo Lynch schrieb: On Fri, January 9, 2009 11:31 am, Rainer Duffner wrote: Bo Lynch schrieb: Can you use postfix with horde/imp? Well, postfix is just a MTA. IMP will use localhost:25 or /usr/lib/sendmail to send mail ;-) What's more interesting is the choice of

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Jan 09, 2009, Bo Lynch wrote: ... Should I be concerned with the Licensing structure down the road? Meaning in your opinion do you think that zimbra will close its door on the open source model. Just don't want to demo something get everyone excited about using it and have to migrate to

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Ricardo Carrillo
maybe can look at http://nexist.sourceforge.net/groupware.html. cheers 2009/1/7 Bo Lynch bly...@ameliaschools.com: Just wanted to get some thoughts from the list. We are a public k-12 school and are looking to migrate to a groupware style system for out staff to collaborate better.

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 11:29 -0600, Ricardo Carrillo wrote: maybe can look at http://nexist.sourceforge.net/groupware.html. Nothing on that list has been updated since 2004! If you want to do searching use a mainstream site like http://www.freshmeat.net (although many projects, including ours

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Scott Silva
on 1-9-2009 8:21 AM Bo Lynch spake the following: On Fri, January 9, 2009 11:31 am, Rainer Duffner wrote: Bo Lynch schrieb: Can you use postfix with horde/imp? Well, postfix is just a MTA. IMP will use localhost:25 or /usr/lib/sendmail to send mail ;-) What's more interesting is the

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Scott Silva
on 1-9-2009 9:23 AM Bill Campbell spake the following: On Fri, Jan 09, 2009, Bo Lynch wrote: ... Should I be concerned with the Licensing structure down the road? Meaning in your opinion do you think that zimbra will close its door on the open source model. Just don't want to demo something

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Ricardo Carrillo
Only was a reference for groupware names, you have to search into software repositories like freshmeat as well sourceforge. 2009/1/9 Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org: On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 11:29 -0600, Ricardo Carrillo wrote: maybe can look at

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Bazooka Joe
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Max Hetrick maxhetr...@verizon.net wrote: René Standfest wrote: We have running at the moment eGroupWare, but we plan to migrate to SOGo (http://sogo.opengroupware.org) in the next two months (we had some annoying problems with eGW in the past). It has a really

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Les Mikesell
Bill Campbell wrote: ... Should I be concerned with the Licensing structure down the road? Meaning in your opinion do you think that zimbra will close its door on the open source model. Just don't want to demo something get everyone excited about using it and have to migrate to something

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 13:15 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: Bill Campbell wrote: ... Should I be concerned with the Licensing structure down the road? Meaning in your opinion do you think that zimbra will close its door on the open source model. Just don't want to demo something get everyone

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
Can you use postfix with horde/imp? Yes, Horde doesn't care what the SMTP provider is so long as it works. Well, postfix is just a MTA. IMP will use localhost:25 or /usr/lib/sendmail to send mail ;-) What's more interesting is the choice of IMAP-server ;-) Yep. We currently use

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-09 Thread Les Mikesell
Bo Lynch wrote: We really do not use an email client here. We try to keep everything web based as much as possible. So interfacing with a email client such as outlook really isn't that important to me. The web interface is what I'm interested in. Have you looked at the SME server disto

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-08 Thread Max Hetrick
René Standfest wrote: We have running at the moment eGroupWare, but we plan to migrate to SOGo (http://sogo.opengroupware.org) in the next two months (we had some annoying problems with eGW in the past). It has a really cool Webfrontend (looks like Thunderbird with Lightning) and has a really

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-08 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
We have running at the moment eGroupWare, but we plan to migrate to SOGo (http://sogo.opengroupware.org) in the next two months (we had some annoying problems with eGW in the past). It has a really cool Webfrontend (looks like Thunderbird with Lightning) and has a really functional

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-08 Thread Lars Schelde
Bo Lynch wrote: Just wanted to get some thoughts from the list. We are a public k-12 school and are looking to migrate to a groupware style system for out staff to collaborate better. Currently we are using Squirrelmail/postfix for email. Does anyone have any

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-08 Thread Max Hetrick
Adam Tauno Williams wrote: I develop on OpenGroupware, not SOGo, but both use SOPE's LDAP library/bindings. If the DSA supports LDAPv3 binds you shouldn't have any problems using it. I'd recommend OpenLDAP any day, as it is far-and-away the faster and more feature-reach DSA. But I very

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-08 Thread René Standfest
Max Hetrick schrieb am 08.01.2009 17:23: We have running at the moment eGroupWare, but we plan to migrate to SOGo (http://sogo.opengroupware.org) in the next two months (we had some annoying problems with eGW in the past). It has a really cool Webfrontend (looks like Thunderbird with

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-08 Thread Bo Lynch
On Wed, January 7, 2009 7:19 pm, Craig White wrote: On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 18:54 -0500, Bo Lynch wrote: So are you required to run zimbras release of these packages? If you are forced to use them then how delayed are the releases. Are you able to use something other than amavis and clam for

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-08 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Jan 09, 2009, Bo Lynch wrote: On Wed, January 7, 2009 7:19 pm, Craig White wrote: On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 18:54 -0500, Bo Lynch wrote: ... zimbra is pretty much of a closed box in that they have already decided what / how / where you will run stuff and no, you can't run anything other

[CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Bo Lynch
Just wanted to get some thoughts from the list. We are a public k-12 school and are looking to migrate to a groupware style system for out staff to collaborate better. Currently we are using Squirrelmail/postfix for email. Does anyone have any recommendations/opinions. Any input would be

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 14:56 -0500, Bo Lynch wrote: Just wanted to get some thoughts from the list. We are a public k-12 school and are looking to migrate to a groupware style system for out staff to collaborate better. Currently we are using Squirrelmail/postfix for email. Does anyone

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Max Hetrick
Bo Lynch wrote: Just wanted to get some thoughts from the list. We are a public k-12 school and are looking to migrate to a groupware style system for out staff to collaborate better. Currently we are using Squirrelmail/postfix for email. Does anyone have any recommendations/opinions.

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Ed Westphal
Bo Lynch wrote: Just wanted to get some thoughts from the list. We are a public k-12 school and are looking to migrate to a groupware style system for out staff to collaborate better. Currently we are using Squirrelmail/postfix for email. Does anyone have any recommendations/opinions.

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Bo Lynch
On Wed, January 7, 2009 3:28 pm, Tim Nelson wrote: - Bo Lynch bly...@ameliaschools.com wrote: Just wanted to get some thoughts from the list. We are a public k-12 school and are looking to migrate to a groupware style system for out staff to collaborate better. Currently we are

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Tim Nelson
- Bo Lynch bly...@ameliaschools.com wrote: I would say that we have around 300 users. Bo Lynch You'll definitely want to look at a multi-server setup for that. Put your mail/web services on one box and database/LDAP on another. Also, for such a large installation you may even want to

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread René Standfest
Bo Lynch schrieb am 07.01.2009 20:56: Just wanted to get some thoughts from the list. We are a public k-12 school and are looking to migrate to a groupware style system for out staff to collaborate better. Currently we are using Squirrelmail/postfix for email. Does anyone have any

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Bo Lynch
On Wed, January 7, 2009 3:38 pm, Tim Nelson wrote: - Bo Lynch bly...@ameliaschools.com wrote: I would say that we have around 300 users. Bo Lynch You'll definitely want to look at a multi-server setup for that. Put your mail/web services on one box and database/LDAP on another. Also,

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Jan 07, 2009, Bo Lynch wrote: On Wed, January 7, 2009 3:38 pm, Tim Nelson wrote: ... I would have thought that this was a small install:) We probably have at the most around 200-250. I was just guessing for growth. We too opt open source. Is zimbra a resource hog? Meaning do you think it

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Scott Silva
on 1-7-2009 12:15 PM Bo Lynch spake the following: On Wed, January 7, 2009 3:23 pm, Ed Westphal wrote: Bo Lynch wrote: Just wanted to get some thoughts from the list. We are a public k-12 school and are looking to migrate to a groupware style system for out staff to collaborate better.

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
I may start a war here, but I'm going to recommend Lotus Notes / Domino as the collaborative software for you. I've had quite a bit of experience with it in a large multi-national company. It can definitely Has anyone used PHPGroupware? I've been looking at some comparisons with this and

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
You'll definitely want to look at a multi-server setup for that. Put your mail/web services on one box and database/LDAP on another. Also, for such a large installation you may even want to look at their commercially supported editions. Last time I checked (admittedly quite a while ago)

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Rainer Duffner
Am 07.01.2009 um 22:24 schrieb Adam Tauno Williams: You'll definitely want to look at a multi-server setup for that. Put your mail/web services on one box and database/LDAP on another. Also, for such a large installation you may even want to look at their commercially supported

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Andrew Cotter
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Rainer Duffner Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:32 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite Am 07.01.2009 um 22:24 schrieb Adam Tauno Williams

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Les Mikesell
Andrew Cotter wrote: My problem would be that a single machine is a single point of failure. We are looking at zimbra and using at least two machines utilizing GFS and our SAN so we can withstand a failure. Wouldn't drbl/heartbeat be less complicated for 2 machines? -- Les Mikesell

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Bo Lynch
On Wed, January 7, 2009 6:06 pm, Andrew Cotter wrote: -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Rainer Duffner Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:32 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread John R Pierce
For a completely /different/ idea... I know several nonprofit and not-for-profit groups who coordinate their email and activities using a combination of GMail, google calendar(s) for scheduling, google apps for shared documents, and google group(s) for message board functionality. You can

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Bo Lynch
On Wed, January 7, 2009 3:59 pm, Bill Campbell wrote: On Wed, Jan 07, 2009, Bo Lynch wrote: On Wed, January 7, 2009 3:38 pm, Tim Nelson wrote: ... I would have thought that this was a small install:) We probably have at the most around 200-250. I was just guessing for growth. We too opt open

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread russ
Cc$ Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bo Lynch bly...@ameliaschools.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:45:22 To: CentOS mailing listcentos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite On Wed, January 7, 2009 6:06 pm, Andrew Cotter wrote

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 18:54 -0500, Bo Lynch wrote: So are you required to run zimbras release of these packages? If you are forced to use them then how delayed are the releases. Are you able to use something other than amavis and clam for scanning?? We use a product called VAMS released

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Rainer Duffner
Am 08.01.2009 um 00:54 schrieb Bo Lynch: So are you required to run zimbras release of these packages? For Zimbra, yes. But honestly: how on earth would they be able to guarantee that it's working correctly in any other meaningful way? Would you like to do support for your product that

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Dnk
On 7-Jan-09, at 3:57 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: otherwise, um, if you really do want self hosting... pick your favorite email server (postfix, sendmail, etc), use cyrus imap, let your clients use any imap email app they prefer (Mozilla Thunderbird, Microsoft

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Spiro Harvey
John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: [using google mail+calendar+etc] The advantages of doing it this way are no costs at all, Actually you only get 25 users for free. After that you have to pay for it. I'm using it on one of my domains and it's very very good, but too low a limit for any

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread John R Pierce
r...@vshift.com wrote: Cc$ Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Huh??? and why did you send this, quoting 200 something lines of previous peoples quotes without a clue what you're referring to?? folks, your cellphones make LOUSY email list communications device. please stick

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Spiro Harvey
Actually you only get 25 users for free. After that you have to pay for it. I'm using it on one of my domains and it's very very good, but too low a limit for any decent sized business. does that apply to nonprofits like k12/edus ? Can't answer that without making stuff up. :) Mine's not

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
otherwise, um, if you really do want self hosting... pick your favorite email server (postfix, sendmail, etc), use cyrus imap, let your clients use any imap email app they prefer (Mozilla Thunderbird, Microsoft Outlook or Live Mail, etc) Agree strongly with PostFix+Cyrus. It is a

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Max Hetrick
Rainer Duffner wrote: For Zimbra, yes. But honestly: how on earth would they be able to guarantee that it's working correctly in any other meaningful way? Would you like to do support for your product that relies on a dozen or more external other products (that aren't maintained in most

Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite

2009-01-07 Thread Max Hetrick
René Standfest wrote: We have running at the moment eGroupWare, but we plan to migrate to SOGo (http://sogo.opengroupware.org) in the next two months (we had some annoying problems with eGW in the past). It has a really cool Webfrontend (looks like Thunderbird with Lightning) and has a really