Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-28 Thread John Doe
From: Nataraj incoming-cen...@rjl.com Are there any advantages to running FreeNX over vncserver? Does it perform better? Unless I am mistaken: VNC traffic is bitmap (whole screen or part of the screen, optionaly compressed) transfered at each refresh. FreeNX is compressed/cached XWindow

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-28 Thread Les Mikesell
Nataraj wrote: Stephen Harris wrote: Even another ISP may not help so much. I have Verizon FIOS and am based on the East Coast. There's a 92ms delay to reach my linode, in Fremont. Any message the X client sends to the server and then waits for a reply would have approx 200ms round trip

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-28 Thread Bowie Bailey
On 7/28/2010 12:19 AM, Nataraj wrote: Are there any advantages to running FreeNX over vncserver? Does it perform better? I have run both. On a local network, they are about the same. Over the Internet, FreeNX is much more responsive. -- Bowie

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-27 Thread Nataraj
Stephen Harris wrote: Even another ISP may not help so much. I have Verizon FIOS and am based on the East Coast. There's a 92ms delay to reach my linode, in Fremont. Any message the X client sends to the server and then waits for a reply would have approx 200ms round trip time. I doesn't

[CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
Hi all. I need to run X on a headless server, and I am having a hard time configuring null devices in xorg.conf. Here are the server's vital stats as per the getinfo.sh script on centos.org: http://pastebin.centos.org/33908 When I try to start X: [r...@centos-55-32-minimal ~]# startx xauth:

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Hakan Koseoglu
On 25 July 2010 16:15, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: experiments. Should I post the logfiles? Note that my goal is to start X, then ssh in and run Firefox remotely from a Fedora desktop. The server itself has no monitor. I'm not sure what you are trying to do. Using VNC server or ssh

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 18:26, Hakan Koseoglu ha...@koseoglu.org wrote: I'm not sure what you are trying to do. Using VNC server or ssh with X11 tunneling (-X or -Y) would make more sense. You don't need X itself running for either of these. Yes, my intention is to ssh in then run the app

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Christoph Maser
Am 25.07.2010 17:15, schrieb Dotan Cohen: Note that my goal is to start X, then ssh in and run Firefox remotely from a Fedora desktop. The server itself has no monitor. Thanks in advance for any advice. For that you do not need an X server on the remote machine all you need is X11

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Hakan Koseoglu
Dotan, On 25 July 2010 16:32, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: However, when I do this I get no response (no firefox window opens, no terminal output), even after several minutes. I figured that was because X is not running. That's not the reason. You don't run X on the server for such

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Les Mikesell
Dotan Cohen wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 18:26, Hakan Koseoglu ha...@koseoglu.org wrote: I'm not sure what you are trying to do. Using VNC server or ssh with X11 tunneling (-X or -Y) would make more sense. You don't need X itself running for either of these. Yes, my intention is to ssh

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: What you are trying should work without running X at the console, but you might like the freenx/NX client even better.  That gives you a complete remote X desktop with very good performance that you can disconnect and

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 18:38, Hakan Koseoglu ha...@koseoglu.org wrote: Dotan, On 25 July 2010 16:32, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: However, when I do this I get no response (no firefox window opens, no terminal output), even after several minutes. I figured that was because X is

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:14, Akemi Yagi amy...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: What you are trying should work without running X at the console, but you might like the freenx/NX client even better.  That gives you a complete

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Stephen Harris
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 07:23:03PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: I don't. After 15 minutes the square of the supposed Firefox window came up. That's painful! But therein lies the problem. Which shows it's working... but painfully slowly. Bandwidth and especially latency is killing you. FreeNX is

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Les Mikesell
Akemi Yagi wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: What you are trying should work without running X at the console, but you might like the freenx/NX client even better. That gives you a complete remote X desktop with very good performance that

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: You need to be somewhat careful these days about things that came from centos-testing or extras as some now also appear in epel with the same names and version number that aren't likely to be coordinated.  I haven't

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Les Mikesell
Akemi Yagi wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: You need to be somewhat careful these days about things that came from centos-testing or extras as some now also appear in epel with the same names and version number that aren't likely to be

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:35, Stephen Harris li...@spuddy.org wrote: Which shows it's working... but painfully slowly.  Bandwidth and especially latency is killing you. Other than getting a new ISP, is there anything that I can do about the latency? FreeNX is designed to work around this

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 20:29, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: Akemi Yagi wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: You need to be somewhat careful these days about things that came from centos-testing or extras as some now also appear in epel

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Les Mikesell
Dotan Cohen wrote: EPEL is generally known to not overwrite distro files, but when it starts showing conflicts with the CentOS extras repo, that needs an additional note. I think the point is that CentOS isn't 'the distro' that epel doesn't overwrite. And it really makes more sense for

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Stephen Harris
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 08:46:08PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:35, Stephen Harris li...@spuddy.org wrote: Which shows it's working... but painfully slowly. ??Bandwidth and especially latency is killing you. Other than getting a new ISP, is there anything that I can

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Chan Chung Hang Christopher
Dotan Cohen wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:35, Stephen Harris li...@spuddy.org wrote: Which shows it's working... but painfully slowly. Bandwidth and especially latency is killing you. Other than getting a new ISP, is there anything that I can do about the latency? I can smoothly run

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Les Mikesell
Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:35, Stephen Harris li...@spuddy.org wrote: Which shows it's working... but painfully slowly. Bandwidth and especially latency is killing you. Other than getting a new ISP, is there anything that I can do about

Re: [CentOS] Enabling X on headless server via network

2010-07-25 Thread Robert Heller
At Mon, 26 Jul 2010 07:17:45 +0800 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:35, Stephen Harris li...@spuddy.org wrote: Which shows it's working... but painfully slowly. Bandwidth and especially latency is killing you. Other than