[CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Timothy Murphy
I bought a very cheap server yesterday - an HP ProLiant micro server for 160 euro (280 euro with 120 cashback, for some reason). But I was surprised when I opened the box to find it didn't come with keyboard or mouse, and doesn't have the old keyboard/mouse sockets, but requires USB versions. Is

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Peter Larsen
You get what you pay for. Yes ps/2 plugs are a thing of the past. Servers have for the last 5 or so years been usb only. Usually with a usb in the front as well as in the back. There are usb/ps2 converters but usb/mouse is very cheap. Your adapter would most likely cost the same or more. Lack

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: I bought a very cheap server yesterday - an HP ProLiant micro server for 160 euro (280 euro with 120 cashback, for some reason). But I was surprised when I opened the box to find it didn't come with keyboard or mouse,

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread John R Pierce
On 03/26/11 5:47 AM, Peter Larsen wrote: One nic is also quite common. while I'd agree with the rest of your assessments, on servers 1 nic is NOT that common, 2 or 4 built in nics is far more common. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Lucian
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 3:39 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 03/26/11 5:47 AM, Peter Larsen wrote: One nic is also quite common. while I'd agree with the rest of your assessments, on servers 1 nic is NOT that common, 2 or 4 built in nics is far more common. +1

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 5:39 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 03/26/11 5:47 AM, Peter Larsen wrote: One nic is also quite common. while I'd agree with the rest of your assessments, on servers 1 nic is NOT that common, 2 or 4 built in nics is far more common. Yes, on the

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Benjamin Donnachie
On 26 Mar 2011, at 15:40, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: while I'd agree with the rest of your assessments, on servers 1 nic is NOT that common, Neither are servers for €160! At that price I would expect to buy another card or just use vlans! Ben Sent from my iPhone

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread John R Pierce
On 03/26/11 9:43 AM, Benjamin Donnachie wrote: On 26 Mar 2011, at 15:40, John R Piercepie...@hogranch.com wrote: while I'd agree with the rest of your assessments, on servers 1 nic is NOT that common, Neither are servers for €160! At that price I would expect to buy another card or just

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 6:46 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 03/26/11 9:43 AM, Benjamin Donnachie wrote: On 26 Mar 2011, at 15:40, John R Piercepie...@hogranch.com  wrote: while I'd agree with the rest of your assessments, on servers 1 nic is NOT that common, Neither are

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 09:46:59AM -0700, John R Pierce wrote: On 03/26/11 9:43 AM, Benjamin Donnachie wrote: On 26 Mar 2011, at 15:40, John R Piercepie...@hogranch.com wrote: while I'd agree with the rest of your assessments, on servers 1 nic is NOT that common, Neither are servers

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Timothy Murphy
Rudi Ahlers wrote: I bought a very cheap server yesterday - an HP ProLiant micro server for 160 euro But I was surprised when I opened the box to find it didn't come with keyboard or mouse, and doesn't have the old keyboard/mouse sockets, but requires USB versions. Many servers, big or

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Timothy Murphy
Peter Larsen wrote: One nic is also quite common. It depends on what you need the server to do. Well, I was hoping to connect one to my ADSL modem (non WiFi) and one to my router (LinkSys WRT54GL router). And I see I have to put in a PCI-E NIC, not a common-or-garden PCI. Why can't they leave

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread John R Pierce
On 03/26/11 10:20 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: And I see I have to put in a PCI-E NIC, not a common-or-garden PCI. Why can't they leave things as they are ... thats what people said about ISA bus when PCI came out and replaced it. btw, make sure you get a LOW PROFILE pci-e card for that thing.

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread John R Pierce
On 03/26/11 9:51 AM, Ray Van Dolson wrote: The HP MicroServer does have hot-swappable trays... Great little box. the specs say non-hot-plug repeatedly. http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13716_na/13716_na.html

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:13:49AM -0700, John R Pierce wrote: On 03/26/11 9:51 AM, Ray Van Dolson wrote: The HP MicroServer does have hot-swappable trays... Great little box. the specs say non-hot-plug repeatedly. http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13716_na/13716_na.html

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Drew
And I see I have to put in a PCI-E NIC, not a common-or-garden PCI. Why can't they leave things as they are ... Because a PCIe x1 slot smokes your run of the mill PCI slot any day? -- Drew Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood. --Marie Curie

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Benjamin Donnachie
On 26 Mar 2011, at 17:25, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: Well, I was hoping to connect one to my ADSL modem (non WiFi) and one to my router (LinkSys WRT54GL router). If you can't implement vlans, what about 'trunking on the cheap' with both subnets using the same switch? Not ideal,

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Rainer Duffner
Am 26.03.2011 um 13:39 schrieb Timothy Murphy: Also there is no CD drive. But there are extensive instructions (on a CD!) about how to instal RHEL-5.5. Best to use cobbler for that anyway. One last thing - there is only one ethernet socket. This surprised me a little, as I can't

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread John R Pierce
On 03/26/11 12:51 PM, Rainer Duffner wrote: Use VLAN-trunks. someone using a $350 micro server as his ADSL gateway is highly unlikely to have layer 2 managed switches capable of handling VLANs. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Rainer Duffner
Am 26.03.2011 um 20:55 schrieb John R Pierce: On 03/26/11 12:51 PM, Rainer Duffner wrote: Use VLAN-trunks. someone using a $350 micro server as his ADSL gateway is highly unlikely to have layer 2 managed switches capable of handling VLANs. E.g. the HP Procurve 1800-8G is quite cheap.

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Les Mikesell
On 3/26/11 2:55 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 03/26/11 12:51 PM, Rainer Duffner wrote: Use VLAN-trunks. someone using a $350 micro server as his ADSL gateway is highly unlikely to have layer 2 managed switches capable of handling VLANs. I think unmanaged switches will pass vlan trunk traffic

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Lamar Owen
On Saturday, March 26, 2011 02:13:49 pm John R Pierce wrote: On 03/26/11 9:51 AM, Ray Van Dolson wrote: The HP MicroServer does have hot-swappable trays... Great little box. the specs say non-hot-plug repeatedly. [snip] and refers to them as 'internal SATA drives' ? While in most cases

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Matty
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 3:55 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 03/26/11 12:51 PM, Rainer Duffner wrote: Use VLAN-trunks. someone using a $350 micro server as his ADSL gateway is highly unlikely to have layer 2 managed switches capable of handling VLANs. I'm not sure this is an

Re: [CentOS] My new server

2011-03-26 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Sat, 2011-03-26 at 19:14 -0400, Matty wrote: On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 3:55 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 03/26/11 12:51 PM, Rainer Duffner wrote: Use VLAN-trunks. someone using a $350 micro server as his ADSL gateway is highly unlikely to have layer 2 managed switches