Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-02 Thread James B. Byrne
On Mon, December 1, 2014 16:48, Les Mikesell wrote: Is there anyone who has more than a few boxes at more than one location who _doesn't_ have this issue? I'd like to see a FAQ or something by whoever designed the network configuration system about how they planned for it to work (with and

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-02 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 1, 2014, at 10:27 PM, Rob Kampen rkam...@reaching-clients.com wrote: Have you put NM_CONTROLLED=no in the ifcfg-eth0 script? How is that better than systemctl stop NetworkManager systemctl disable NetworkManager Again, I’m not really after a way to make this work without

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-02 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: On Dec 1, 2014, at 10:27 PM, Rob Kampen rkam...@reaching-clients.com wrote: Have you put NM_CONTROLLED=no in the ifcfg-eth0 script? How is that better than systemctl stop NetworkManager systemctl disable

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-02 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 7:52 AM, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote: On Mon, December 1, 2014 16:48, Les Mikesell wrote: Is there anyone who has more than a few boxes at more than one location who _doesn't_ have this issue? I'd like to see a FAQ or something by whoever designed the

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-02 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 2, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: Again, I’m not really after a way to make this work without NetworkManager. What part of the breakage that NetworkManager does is good for a wired,

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-02 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: Think 'laptop'. Why would you need a static IP to stick to a laptop? Or have multiple NICs on one? Wired and WiFi. If you configure a static IP with the wired Ethernet plugged in, you probably want that static IP to

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-02 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: What part of the breakage that NetworkManager does is good for a wired, static-addressed server? If you disable NM, the network configuration GUI stops working in EL7. (I didn’t do much with EL6, but I thought its GUI

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-02 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: Think 'laptop'. Why would you need a static IP to stick to a laptop? Or have multiple NICs on one? Wired and WiFi. If you configure a static IP

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-02 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: What part of the breakage that NetworkManager does is good for a wired, static-addressed server? If you disable NM, the network configuration GUI

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-02 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: Think 'laptop'. Why would you need a static IP to stick to a laptop? Or have

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-02 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: Really? That's insane. Our wired jacks are not on the same subnets as our access points. I'm not sure that's even possible with the Cisco units that have separate controllers. In such a network, you won’t run static IP

[CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-01 Thread Warren Young
We ship servers to remote sites, which are rarely staffed with techs familiar with Linux. We have them tell us the static IP configuration for the box before we ship it, then we set it up for them here and ship it out to the site, where they just plug it in, turn it on, and walk away. That’s

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-01 Thread Les Mikesell
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: We ship servers to remote sites, which are rarely staffed with techs familiar with Linux. We have them tell us the static IP configuration for the box before we ship it, then we set it up for them here and ship it out to

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-01 Thread Nathan Duehr
On Dec 1, 2014, at 14:48, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: We ship servers to remote sites, which are rarely staffed with techs familiar with Linux. We have them tell us the static IP configuration for the

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-01 Thread Les Mikesell
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Nathan Duehr denverpi...@me.com wrote: We ship servers to remote sites, which are rarely staffed with techs familiar with Linux. We have them tell us the static IP configuration for the box before we ship it, then we set it up for them here and ship it out

Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager fights with DHCP-only backup NIC

2014-12-01 Thread Rob Kampen
On 12/02/2014 10:35 AM, Warren Young wrote: We ship servers to remote sites, which are rarely staffed with techs familiar with Linux. We have them tell us the static IP configuration for the box before we ship it, then we set it up for them here and ship it out to the site, where they just