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Matej Cepl wrote on Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:48:17 +0100:
I would have a question about Ubuntu LTS. What are your
experience with it?
Folks, can you please move this discussion off-list? Thanks.
Kai
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On 2008-12-03, 00:41 GMT, Christopher Chan wrote:
This is not a matter of preferring Ubuntu. It is one of NO
CHOICE. I know next to nothing about Debian/Ubuntu
configuration files nor am I familiar with dpkg or apt as I am
with rpm and yum. You think I want to move over for fun?
I am
Matej Cepl wrote:
On 2008-12-03, 00:41 GMT, Christopher Chan wrote:
This is not a matter of preferring Ubuntu. It is one of NO
CHOICE. I know next to nothing about Debian/Ubuntu
configuration files nor am I familiar with dpkg or apt as I am
with rpm and yum. You think I want to move over
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 09:00:39AM +0800, Christopher Chan wrote:
Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Brett Serkez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Tom Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Xen wont be in RHEL6 - KVM will
What insight can
Xen _hypervisor_ will not make it into the kernel, because there's no point
in that. It's not part of Xen design.
Linux support for Xen hypervisor is already in Linux kernel.
Whatever. From the last few months of testing with Xen, I really could
care less about running anything on it.
I
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Chan Chung Hang Christopher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Xen _hypervisor_ will not make it into the kernel, because there's no point
in that. It's not part of Xen design.
Linux support for Xen hypervisor is already in Linux kernel.
Whatever. From the last few
Ross Walker wrote:
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Chan Chung Hang Christopher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Xen _hypervisor_ will not make it into the kernel, because there's no point
in that. It's not part of Xen design.
Linux support for Xen hypervisor is already in Linux kernel.
Whatever.
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Christopher Chan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Troll? I have been on this list for over four years. I have posted under
Feizhou and one or two other addresses as I moved jobs.
I shan't dispute you on this, but I would like to point out that:
1) There are 67 hits on
MHR wrote:
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Christopher Chan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Troll? I have been on this list for over four years. I have posted under
Feizhou and one or two other addresses as I moved jobs.
I shan't dispute you on this, but I would like to point out that:
1)
Ross Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's most obvious you have no idea what you are talking
about, so if
you prefer Ubuntu over CentOS then please move along, we
need no
trolls here.
Agreed. The guy seems to be a poorly informed loudmouth.
Regards,
Vandaman.
Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote on Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:51:45 +0200:
Then again Redhat guys have not yet commented about planned features for
RHEL6..
Of course, it's the current state of affairs as we think we know it.
Kai
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Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
Then again Redhat guys have not yet commented about planned
features for RHEL6..
Quite a few people appear to be quite insecure on the basis of
what they think is/is not going to happen. The bottom line is
crystal-ball gazing should be left alone and people should
Not getting Xen into the kernel earlier is going to be Xen's downfall.
XEN will never make into the kernel. Period. I never paid any attention
to Xen but I had to lately for get Windows virtualized for new Centos
desktops here at the school. What is the first thing that Centos 5 loaded?
Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Brett Serkez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Tom Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Xen wont be in RHEL6 - KVM will
What insight can be offered on this change? Is this a business or
technical or both
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Christopher Chan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not getting Xen into the kernel earlier is going to be Xen's downfall.
XEN will never make into the kernel. Period. I never paid any attention
to Xen but I had to lately for get Windows virtualized for new Centos
So I will be kissing Centos 5 bye bye for the school desktops and
switching to Ubuntu Hardy. When RHEL6 and therefore Centos 6 comes out,
hopefully I can come back to Centos...
There are other virtualization solutions that run with/on CentOS
I did leave one other detail
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 03:31:19PM +0100, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote on Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:04:16 +0200:
There are many options.
Yeah. The point behind my asking was if one would be able to run
RHEL/CentOS 6 as a dom0 - as it is derived from Fedora and reflects the
Les Mikesell wrote:
Well, but why do you assume people run Windows where you run your
browser? You need a Windows license to run VIC, so the price of
installing ESXi/VIC is around $100 and up.
To someone who doesn't already have a windows license?
I wouldn't have a spare one, and even if
Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote on Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:04:16 +0200:
There are many options.
Yeah. The point behind my asking was if one would be able to run
RHEL/CentOS 6 as a dom0 - as it is derived from Fedora and reflects the
available bits at the time of the OS freeze. In other words, if there is a
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 06:43:14PM +, Ned Slider wrote:
Brett Serkez wrote:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Vandaman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Do people have wet underwear for nothing over XEN?
See http://www.redhat.com/promo/qumranet/
As far as CentOS is concerned saying Xen is
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:49:16PM +0100, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
Karanbir Singh wrote on Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:49:20 +:
Fedora10 does have DomU support for Xen, dom0
support wasent ready in time,
what exactly does that mean? That you can run Fedora as a pv guest in
other distros, but
Les,
Les Mikesell wrote:
Do you mean some specific version of VMware or what as being locked
in? I move images around among Linux/Windows/Mac hosts with the free
server on Linux/Windows and Fusion on the Mac.
you might want to step back a bit and workout exactly what constitutes a
vmware
Morten Torstensen wrote:
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
It does not run on LINUX, but it is free. And comes with every single
ESXi install. Once you install ESXi the VI-client is downloadable
directly from that host; just point your browser at the VMware host.
Well, but why do you assume
Karanbir Singh wrote:
Les,
Les Mikesell wrote:
Do you mean some specific version of VMware or what as being locked
in? I move images around among Linux/Windows/Mac hosts with the
free server on Linux/Windows and Fusion on the Mac.
you might want to step back a bit and workout exactly what
It makes a difference. All of what I hear about KVM clearly states that
its performance is much worse than a paravirtualized RHEL/CentOS.
i never mentioned anything about performance - pvirt works very well for
me right now on a large scale so with 'support' being around for over 6
Rainer Duffner wrote:
On a small scale, running VMware ESX3i or VMware-server is perfectly
possible.
There seems to be a lot of fanboy affinity around ESXi - and with the
fact that its 'available' off the shelf, zero cost up front. however to
make it do anything you still need to buy into
Karanbir Singh wrote:
There seems to be a lot of fanboy affinity around ESXi - and with the
fact that its 'available' off the shelf, zero cost up front. however to
make it do anything you still need to buy into vmware tools. I dont see
how that is a lot more of a technology lockdown than Xen
On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 13:37 +, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Rainer Duffner wrote:
On a small scale, running VMware ESX3i or VMware-server is perfectly
possible.
There seems to be a lot of fanboy affinity around ESXi -
No, the hypervisor in a virtualized environment is an absolutely
critical
I was thinking about implementing Xen for our school district. Now
that
I'm hearing all of this I guess I need to look at something else.
What does everyone recommend?
Thanks
Bo Lynch
How much money do you have?
What (how many systems, what do they do?) do you actually want to
Ned Slider wrote:
*If* xen is not included in RHEL6 then it will, by definition, be
deprecated in favour of KVM irrespective of whether (or not) RH
continues to support it throughout the life of RHEL5. Note that xen was
dropped (not deprecated, dropped) in Fedora 10, read into that what you
Kai Schaetzl wrote:
Karanbir Singh wrote on Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:49:20 +:
Fedora10 does have DomU support for Xen, dom0
support wasent ready in time,
what exactly does that mean? That you can run Fedora as a pv guest in
other distros, but not under Fedora itself?
Fedora10, yes, not
Karanbir Singh wrote:
Xen isnt going anywhere - Redhat and others have put in major efforts
into making it work and as far as I can see, while kvm might be a far
superior platform, its only an 'alternative' platform. Not the
replacement one.
nate wrote:
Cathrow cautioned, however, that although Red Hat will
continue to develop new features for both platforms, it
might not make sense to incorporate all the latest
enhancements in Xen, he said.
... Redhat are not the only people working on Xen and the Linux kernel...
Xen's been a
Tom Brown wrote on Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:42:30 +:
i never mentioned anything about performance
Exactly, that's why I did it. You wrote it doesn't make a difference, it
does.
Kai
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Karanbir Singh wrote:
nate wrote:
You don't really need to buy anything, you do if you want
fancy enterprise-like management of multiple systems from
one screen. And there are limitations in ESXi, it certainly
isn't equivalent in abilities to enterprise or standard edition.
I've been
On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 14:33 +, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
No, the hypervisor in a virtualized environment is an absolutely
critical component; there is no room at all for fanboys. VMware is a
well established solution [+50% customer satisfaction, Citrix at ~30%;
On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 15:16 +, Karanbir Singh wrote:
nate wrote:
You don't really need to buy anything, you do if you want
fancy enterprise-like management of multiple systems from
one screen. And there are limitations in ESXi, it certainly
isn't equivalent in abilities to enterprise
There seems to be a lot of fanboy affinity around ESXi - and with the
fact that its 'available' off the shelf, zero cost up front. however to
make it do anything you still need to buy into vmware tools.
Huh, Tools are free? I do _a lot_ of nothing apparently without what
I assume you meant,
I've been repeatedly told ( including by people @vmware ) that you need
the VI-client in order to get a management interface on ESXi, which
neither runs on Linux nor is freely available.
Am I being lied to ?
yes, VI is free. It does not run on Linux though which sucks, but same for
XenServer's
Ned Slider wrote:
Which is why I originally wrote...
*Some* are interpreting this... as an indication that
xen will be dropped from RHEL6 as they direct their efforts
towards KVM.
*If* xen is not included in RHEL6 then it will, by
definition, be deprecated in favour of KVM irrespective
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
It doesn't make sense not to care about such things as they have real
bearing on the viability of a product/project. And customer
satisfaction does mean something. I do care about such things (they
are not the ONLY things) and they are reasons *to use* Open Source
Joseph L. Casale wrote:
yes, VI is free. It does not run on Linux though which sucks, but same for
XenServer's commercial product...
your definition of Free is kinda warped if by your free you mean, having
to buy windows, agreeing to the draconian MS licenses and adding all
that layer on top
Joseph L. Casale wrote:
ESXi, like all vmware products, is highly polished and very reliable.
I am a HUGE fan of Xen, spent a lot of time learning it and I love it.
But don't discount ESXi since it's not open source.
I discount it as a product I cant use. And as a product that does not
give
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:01 PM, nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joseph L. Casale wrote:
ESXi, like all vmware products, is highly polished and very reliable.
I am a HUGE fan of Xen, spent a lot of time learning it and I love it.
But don't discount ESXi since it's not open source.
So very
offers medium to low performance compared to other
similar products
I get it, you *hate* Microsoft and Windows and ... That's cool. But before you
make claims about facts (not opinion, which is very valid as I respect your
personal choices to be good for you) you should verify those. Vmware is
I'd be happy to have you over my place and we can do some real world
performance testing in server roles
I would actually love that (just for the sake of learning) but me thinks were on
opposite sides of the pond:)
btw, as might not be clear to some people, I dont do Windows
hosts/guests so
Am 26.11.2008 um 18:55 schrieb Karanbir Singh:
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
It doesn't make sense not to care about such things as they have real
bearing on the viability of a product/project. And customer
satisfaction does mean something. I do care about such things (they
are not the ONLY
Karanbir Singh wrote:
Anyway, I think the point is made, Vmware is by far the most locked in
product out there, offers medium to low performance compared to other
similar products, however has a lower user ability threshold to get into.
Do you mean some specific version of VMware or what as
Do people have wet underwear for nothing over XEN?
See http://www.redhat.com/promo/qumranet/
snip
Q: Will Red Hat continue to support and contribute to Xen?
A: Yes. Red Hat will support Xen until at least 2014
(seven years after the release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5).
We are committed to
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Vandaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do people have wet underwear for nothing over XEN?
See http://www.redhat.com/promo/qumranet/
As far as CentOS is concerned saying Xen is deprecated is
jumping the gun. CentOS ships with Xen and as long as upstream
supports
Brett Serkez wrote:
What isn't clear from reading the above referenced material is if Xen
will be included in future CentOS releases.
If it's included in future RHEL releases then it will be included
in future CentOS releases.
Red Hat says they will support Xen for the duration of the RHEL 5
Brett Serkez wrote:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Vandaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do people have wet underwear for nothing over XEN?
See http://www.redhat.com/promo/qumranet/
As far as CentOS is concerned saying Xen is deprecated is
jumping the gun. CentOS ships with Xen and as long as
Which is why I originally wrote...
*Some* are interpreting this... as an indication that xen will be
dropped from RHEL6 as they direct their efforts towards KVM.
*If* xen is not included in RHEL6 then it will, by definition, be
deprecated in favour of KVM irrespective of whether (or
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Tom Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Xen wont be in RHEL6 - KVM will
What insight can be offered on this change? Is this a business or
technical or both decision?
libvirt handles both so fundamentally it makes no difference as to what the
virtualization
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Brett Serkez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Tom Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Xen wont be in RHEL6 - KVM will
What insight can be offered on this change? Is this a business or
technical or both decision?
The main issue
On Tue, November 25, 2008 2:33 pm, Rainer Duffner wrote:
Am 25.11.2008 um 20:22 schrieb Brett Serkez:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Tom Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Xen wont be in RHEL6 - KVM will
What insight can be offered on this change? Is this a business or
technical or
On Tue, November 25, 2008 2:55 pm, Rainer Duffner wrote:
Am 25.11.2008 um 20:32 schrieb Bo Lynch:
I was thinking about implementing Xen for our school district. Now
that
I'm hearing all of this I guess I need to look at something else.
What does everyone recommend?
Thanks
Bo Lynch
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Bo Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, November 25, 2008 2:55 pm, Rainer Duffner wrote:
Am 25.11.2008 um 20:32 schrieb Bo Lynch:
I was thinking about implementing Xen for our school district. Now
that
I'm hearing all of this I guess I need to look at
Why not give kvm a try
i am getting a BSOD on shutdown, but so far it is not bothering
anything afaic tell.
You're not exactly making a good pitch bro :)
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I've been watching Xen myself since it first came out and never
found it compelling so it's kind of vindication for me as I've
had justify not using Xen a few times in the past couple years.
Ditto, that is my experience as well.
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I was thinking about implementing Xen for our school district. Now
that
I'm hearing all of this I guess I need to look at something else.
What does everyone recommend?
Thanks
How much money do you have?
What (how many systems, what do they do?) do you actually want to
virtualize?
Right now we have a about 30 servers. Mixture of CentOS,debian,slack,windows.
Free is always the best cost and is why we have been moving toward open
source as much as possible.
i see nothing 'wrong' with using Xen for now and for quite a few years
yet - its not going anywhere anytime
Tom Brown wrote on Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:13:26 +:
libvirt handles both so fundamentally it makes no difference as to what
the virtualization technology is as the way its managed will not change
It makes a difference. All of what I hear about KVM clearly states that
its performance is much
Am 25.11.2008 um 21:18 schrieb Bo Lynch:
On Tue, November 25, 2008 2:55 pm, Rainer Duffner wrote:
Am 25.11.2008 um 20:32 schrieb Bo Lynch:
I was thinking about implementing Xen for our school district. Now
that
I'm hearing all of this I guess I need to look at something else.
What does
On Nov 25, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was thinking about implementing Xen for our school district. Now
that
I'm hearing all of this I guess I need to look at something else.
What does everyone recommend?
Thanks
How much money do you have?
What (how
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