Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 02/12/2011 12:57 AM, Joseph L. Casale wrote: In fact, you can do things very easily with *nix acls that are very difficult in Windows. For example, you can set different 'Default' permissions (what will be on things created in the directory) than the permissions that are actually on the

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread John R Pierce
regardless of the OS, any time you start to get tricky with per object permissions, before long you end up with a complex mess that's a pain in the butt to keep track of. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Drew drew@gmail.com wrote: RHEL and CentOS have much, much tighter basic privilege handling. The complexity of the NTFS ACL structure, for example, is so frequently mishandled that it's often ignored and simply dealt with as Administrator. The result is

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread Natxo Asenjo
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Drew drew@gmail.com wrote: RHEL and CentOS have much, much tighter basic privilege handling. The complexity of the NTFS ACL structure, for example, is so frequently mishandled that it's often ignored and simply dealt with as Administrator. The result is

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread Christopher Chan
On Saturday, February 12, 2011 09:02 PM, Natxo Asenjo wrote: On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Drewdrew@gmail.com wrote: RHEL and CentOS have much, much tighter basic privilege handling. The complexity of the NTFS ACL structure, for example, is so frequently mishandled that it's often

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: On Saturday, February 12, 2011 09:02 PM, Natxo Asenjo wrote: Anyway, neither in windows nor in unix/linux you want to specify permissions on a per user level. Always groups. If the user leaves the

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread Les Mikesell
On 2/12/11 4:05 AM, John R Pierce wrote: regardless of the OS, any time you start to get tricky with per object permissions, before long you end up with a complex mess that's a pain in the butt to keep track of. And this is especially true if you don't first map the users to a group role or

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread Natxo Asenjo
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: On Saturday, February 12, 2011 09:02 PM, Natxo Asenjo wrote: Anyway, neither in windows nor in unix/linux you want to specify permissions on a per user level. Always groups. If the user leaves the

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread Christopher Chan
On Sunday, February 13, 2011 03:38 AM, Natxo Asenjo wrote: On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: On Saturday, February 12, 2011 09:02 PM, Natxo Asenjo wrote: Anyway, neither in windows nor in unix/linux you want to specify permissions on a

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread David Sommerseth
On 11/02/11 03:05, Always Learning wrote: [...snip...] Sometimes I just wonder about the luckiness of us non-Windoze people. We have a really marvellous choice of operating systems (BSDs, Solaris, Linux et al) and its all free and outstandingly good and reliable. I feel sorry for the

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Always Learning
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 16:03 +0100, David Sommerseth wrote: On 11/02/11 03:05, Always Learning wrote: [...snip...] Sometimes I just wonder about the luckiness of us non-Windoze people. We have a really marvellous choice of operating systems (BSDs, Solaris, Linux et al) and its all free

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread m . roth
David Sommerseth wrote: On 11/02/11 03:05, Always Learning wrote: [...snip...] Sometimes I just wonder about the luckiness of us non-Windoze people. We have a really marvellous choice of operating systems (BSDs, Solaris, Linux et al) and its all free and outstandingly good and reliable. I

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Les Mikesell
On 2/11/2011 9:58 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Be careful with saying such things. A lot can be said about Windows as an operating system and Microsoft as a company. But be very careful about Yes, there can, and has been, a lot said. A *LOT* of it has not been positive (at least since

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: On 2/11/2011 9:58 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Be careful with saying such things. A lot can be said about Windows as an operating system and Microsoft as a company. But be very careful about Yes, there can, and has been, a lot said. A *LOT* of it has not been positive

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Always Learning
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 10:58 -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: mark actually liked DOS Me too! -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread John Hodrien
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: They have *everything* to do. Look, I *said* this is OT, but since you insist, the overwhelmingly *bad* design decision was to put the GUI into ring 0, instead of the way Windows 3, and X on *Nix, and *everybody* else did, resulting in a GUI error

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Les Mikesell
On 2/11/2011 10:39 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Be careful with saying such things. A lot can be said about Windows as an operating system and Microsoft as a company. But be very careful about Yes, there can, and has been, a lot said. A *LOT* of it has not been positive (at least since

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Stephen Harris
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:39:21AM -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: They have *everything* to do. Look, I *said* this is OT, but since you insist, the overwhelmingly *bad* design decision was to put the GUI into ring 0, instead of the way Windows 3, and X on *Nix, and *everybody* else did,

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread John R Pierce
On 02/11/11 8:39 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: They have*everything* to do. Look, I*said* this is OT, but since you insist, the overwhelmingly*bad* design decision was to put the GUI into ring 0, instead of the way Windows 3, and X on*Nix, and *everybody* else did, resulting in a GUI error

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread m . roth
John R Pierce wrote: On 02/11/11 8:39 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: They have*everything* to do. Look, I*said* this is OT, but since you insist, the overwhelmingly*bad* design decision was to put the GUI into ring 0, instead of the way Windows 3, and X on*Nix, and *everybody* else did,

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Larry Vaden
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM, John Hodrien j.h.hodr...@leeds.ac.uk wrote: It's still the case that a graphics driver error on linux can take out the entire system, so it's not like linux is some sort of gold standard on this front. e.g., any modern Ubuntu can write 300 GB per day of

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Christopher Chan
On Saturday, February 12, 2011 05:27 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: John R Pierce wrote: On 02/11/11 8:39 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: They have*everything* to do. Look, I*said* this is OT, but since you insist, the overwhelmingly*bad* design decision was to put the GUI into ring 0, instead of

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/11/2011 9:58 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Be careful with saying such things.  A lot can be said about Windows as an operating system and Microsoft as a company.  But be very careful about Yes, there can, and has

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Drew
RHEL and CentOS have much, much tighter basic privilege handling. The complexity of the NTFS ACL structure, for example, is so frequently mishandled that it's often ignored and simply dealt with as Administrator. The result is privilege escalation chaos. And how is the user-group-world

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 at 6:38pm, Drew wrote RHEL and CentOS have much, much tighter basic privilege handling. The complexity of the NTFS ACL structure, for example, is so frequently mishandled that it's often ignored and simply dealt with as Administrator. The result is privilege escalation

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Les Mikesell
On 2/11/11 6:55 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: you go back to '95 and look at the security/design flaws in shipping Linux products it is not pretty either. Pretty much everything had wide open holes in required network services like bind/sendmail/ftp as well as the kernel itself (wade through

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 02/11/2011 09:36 PM, Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 at 6:38pm, Drew wrote RHEL and CentOS have much, much tighter basic privilege handling. The complexity of the NTFS ACL structure, for example, is so frequently mishandled that it's often ignored and simply dealt with as

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Joseph L. Casale
In fact, you can do things very easily with *nix acls that are very difficult in Windows. For example, you can set different 'Default' permissions (what will be on things created in the directory) than the permissions that are actually on the directory. You can set different masks for different

[CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-10 Thread Always Learning
One of my VPS stopped working. After the data centre replaced a disk normal service resumed, then I notices this: CentOS release 5.5 (Final) Kernel 2.6.35.4 on an x86_64 I always thought Centos 5.x would always be on 2.6.18. Any thoughts?

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-10 Thread Brunner, Brian T.
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Always Learning Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:25 PM To: centos@centos.org Subject: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5 One of my VPS stopped working. After the data

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-10 Thread Robert Heller
At Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:25:24 + CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: One of my VPS stopped working. After the data centre replaced a disk normal service resumed, then I notices this: CentOS release 5.5 (Final) Kernel

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-10 Thread Always Learning
Hi Brian T. Robert, Thanks for your input. I did a uname -a on a selection of Centos 5.5 machines and found the servers, netbooks and laptops were all a variety of 2.6.18-194.32.1.el5 and 2.6.19-194.32.1.el5-centos.plus. Only the VPS were different most likely, as Robert suggested, because of