On Wed, August 13, 2014 12:32, Timothy Murphy wrote:
BC wrote:
I've never seen a 1-page document that said,
These are the changes I made after downloading packages X, Y and Z.
There is a large chasm between configuring a mail server and understanding
the configuration of a mail server. Due
Thanks Adam, it works for me now and I have summarized my setup at:
http://serverfault.com/questions/619537/use-postfix-and-spamassassin-packages-on-centos-6-to-reject-spam-without-custo
I don't see a reason to add a milter or amavis - because my server is
idling.
Regards
Alex
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Thanks Adam, it works for me now and I have summarized my setup at:
http://serverfault.com/questions/619537/use
, 2014 12:27:12 PM
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Use postfix and spamd on CentOS 6 - looking for a
shortest guide
Am 18.08.2014 um 13:23 schrieb Adam King:
Good stuff, I've had a stable environment for around a year now, milter may
only bring on a performance increase, nothing else.
the milter
On 08/14/2014 07:14 AM, Ned Slider wrote:
On 13/08/14 17:32, Timothy Murphy wrote:
BC wrote:
I've never seen a 1-page document that said,
These are the changes I made after downloading packages X, Y and Z.
There is a large chasm between configuring a mail server and understanding
the
On Thu, 2014-08-14 at 01:19 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Timothy Murphy
In my experience email has been working without problems
for as long as Unix has been running,
long before system administrator exams were invented.
That
If you want an easy to setup postfix instance with a web interface have a
look at Zimbra
http://www.zimbra.com/community/
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Les Mikesell wrote:
But it is still reasonably easy to say what you want to do with email,
even if it is hard to implement.
No, it is next to impossible to describe what is spam and fairly
difficult with viruses. And you have to categorize it before you can
do something with it.
That is
Keith Keller wrote:
If you believe that I have been helpful in the past, isn't the simplest
explanation that it's possible I'm being helpful now?
No.
You were offensive.
Nothing you said was of the slightest help.
I give you the same answer - if you believe the TASK of postfix
is difficult
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@alice.it wrote:
That is not part of the task of postfix, which is what I was discussing.
In fact, it is very easy to say what I want to do with viruses and spam.
I want email to pass through clamd to catch viruses,
and I want email to
David Beveridge wrote:
I'm happy to leave the definition of spam to spamassassin,
and leave Mr Bayes to do my thinking for me.
And therein lies the problem.
Unfortunately spamassassin is not really the best way to stop spam.
You need more.
Speak for yourself.
Spamassasin does a pretty good
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@alice.it wrote:
David Beveridge wrote:
I'm happy to leave the definition of spam to spamassassin,
and leave Mr Bayes to do my thinking for me.
And therein lies the problem.
Unfortunately spamassassin is not really the best way to
, 2014 12:19:05 PM
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Use postfix and spamd on CentOS 6 - looking for a
shortest guide
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@alice.it wrote:
David Beveridge wrote:
I'm happy to leave the definition of spam to spamassassin,
and leave Mr Bayes to do my
On Thu, August 14, 2014 4:44 am, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Every Linux user is a system administrator.
Wow! As a system administrator, I object.
One only becomes knowledgeable in some field when one has enough knowledge
to realize how much in this field he does not know.
Stealing analogy from
Valeri Galtsev wrote:
while you haven't settled on anything you could consider amavisd as
well...
I'm using amavisd on a CentOS-6 server (with dovecot and spamassassin)
but I found it very difficult to setup.
The documentation for amavisd under CentOS is unbelievably bad.
In fact, the
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@alice.it wrote:
I've never seen a 1-page document that said,
These are the changes I made after downloading packages X, Y and Z.
And there are few if any tests to determine where email is going
if it is not going where you want it to.
BC wrote:
I've never seen a 1-page document that said,
These are the changes I made after downloading packages X, Y and Z.
There is a large chasm between configuring a mail server and understanding
the configuration of a mail server. Due to the many pitfalls and custom
environments, it is
On Wed, 2014-08-13 at 18:32 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
If I had to read a book in order to install and configure postfix
I would go back to sendmail.
Try EXIM - it worked for me almost out-of-the-box with very minimal
configuration. Since then I have introduced lots of extra refinements
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@alice.it wrote:
You sound as though you think it is meritorious
for software to be difficult to use.
No, I believe education is meritorious.
The task of postfix seems to me fairly easy to understand,
so I don't see why implementing
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Always Learning cen...@u62.u22.net wrote:
No one really wants to revert to Sendmail - do they ?
I've always liked MimeDefang with sendmail - and these days it should
be possible to make it work with postfix.Basically you connect it
as a milter to the stock
Always Learning wrote:
If I had to read a book in order to install and configure postfix
I would go back to sendmail.
Try EXIM - it worked for me almost out-of-the-box with very minimal
configuration. Since then I have introduced lots of extra refinements to
successfully keep spam out
On Wed, August 13, 2014 11:50 am, Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 2014-08-13 at 18:32 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
If I had to read a book in order to install and configure postfix I
would go back to sendmail.
No one really wants to revert to Sendmail - do they ?
Sendmail exists forever.
On 8/13/2014 10:35 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
Sendmail exists forever. ... I was extremely happy to switch away from
sendmail to postfix (and postfix configuration files are human readable!).
Sendmail's heritage reaches back to when computer's were the size of
dishwashers and had 4k of main
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Valeri Galtsev
galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
On Wed, 2014-08-13 at 18:32 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
If I had to read a book in order to install and configure postfix I
would go back to sendmail.
No one really wants to revert to Sendmail - do they ?
On Wed, August 13, 2014 12:45 pm, Kirk Bocek wrote:
On 8/13/2014 10:35 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
Sendmail exists forever. ... I was extremely happy to switch away from
sendmail to postfix (and postfix configuration files are human
readable!).
Sendmail's heritage reaches back to when
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Valeri Galtsev
galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
On Wed, August 13, 2014 12:45 pm, Kirk Bocek wrote:
On 8/13/2014 10:35 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
Sendmail exists forever. ... I was extremely happy to switch away from
sendmail to postfix (and postfix
On 2014-08-13, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
Building decent mail server with good spam filtering is different story,
and requires some system administration knowledge.
Building a decent public SMTP server with good spam filtering *that does
not originate spam itself* and
On 8/13/2014 10:57 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
Of course, I used exaggeration (we all had configure sendmail chapter in
our sysadmin exam back then). After you compile human readable sendmail
config file into what sendmail uses, you get something similar to assembly
code as opposed to high level
On Wed, 2014-08-13 at 19:32 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Always Learning wrote:
No one really wants to revert to Sendmail - do they ?
It worked fine for me for years - what do you have against it?
Sendmail lacks the configurability of Exim.
I can refuse connections if the sender's host
On 13/08/14 17:32, Timothy Murphy wrote:
BC wrote:
I've never seen a 1-page document that said,
These are the changes I made after downloading packages X, Y and Z.
There is a large chasm between configuring a mail server and understanding
the configuration of a mail server. Due to the
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Always Learning cen...@u62.u22.net wrote:
Always Learning wrote:
No one really wants to revert to Sendmail - do they ?
It worked fine for me for years - what do you have against it?
Sendmail lacks the configurability of Exim.
Maybe, if you refuse to use
BC wrote:
The task of postfix seems to me fairly easy to understand,
so I don't see why implementing a solution should be that difficult.
It seems easy to understand because you do not understand it. The more you
delve into the topic of mail, the more you realize it is not easy to
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@alice.it wrote:
Either way, I had no intention of making you mad. I was simply trying to
help by saying that reading a book on postfix is a very worthwhile
pursuit.
Not for me.
We are inundated today with an avalanche of information.
On 2014-08-13, Timothy Murphy gayle...@alice.it wrote:
BC wrote:
The task of postfix seems to me fairly easy to understand,
so I don't see why implementing a solution should be that difficult.
It seems easy to understand because you do not understand it. The more you
delve into the topic of
Keith Keller wrote:
You should read more carefully.
I said the _task_ of postfix is fairly easy to understand
As BC wrote, you think it's easy to understand because you do not
understand it. You can choose to believe that or not.
I seem to recall that you have very occasionally made helpful
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@alice.it wrote:
As I see it, the principal task of postfix is to take in email
arriving at port 25, and convey it to one or more destinations.
In my experience email has been working without problems
for as long as Unix has been
Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Timothy Murphy
In my experience email has been working without problems
for as long as Unix has been running,
long before system administrator exams were invented.
That was back when it was safe to assume that those one or more
On 2014-08-13, Timothy Murphy gayle...@alice.it wrote:
I seem to recall that you have very occasionally made helpful suggestions -
maybe I am confusing you with someone else.
I am somewhat mortified that you are not applying Occam's razor here.
If you believe that I have been helpful in the
Hello again,
here is my solution on how to use Postfix + Spamassassin on CentOS in 4
steps:
1) yum install spamassassin
2) useradd spam
3) Add the following line to /etc/postfix/header_checks:
/^Subject: \[SPAM\]/ DISCARD
4) Add the following lines to /etc/postfix/master.cf:
smtp
Am 12.08.2014 um 00:09 schrieb David Beveridge:
Another alternative to milters is the postfix policy daemons.
The best one to use for block and reject is policyd-weight.
found here http://www.policyd-weight.org/
This gives spam a weight based on a number of factors.
I setup to do this
Hello fellow CentOS-users,
on the net there are lots of Spamassassin related HOWTOs - describing how
to create a shell script for Postfix and how to install Spamassassin and
start its spamd daemon - step by step. Additionally antivirus setups are
described...
But I have a strong feeling, that
Hi Adam,
there is no spamd.conf file in the spamassassin package for CentOS 6:
# rpm -ql spamassassin|grep -i spamd.conf
#
That's the point of my question: I am looking for advice for how to use the
postfix and spamassassin packages - i.e. not installing both programs
manually from
: Alexander Farber alexander.far...@gmail.com
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Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 12:47:21 PM
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Use postfix and spamd on CentOS 6 - looking for a
shortest guide
Hi Adam,
there is no spamd.conf file in the spamassassin package for CentOS 6
Ha what a co-incidence, just did this an hour ago
I roughly followed this
http://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-and-integrate-spamassassin-with-postfix-on-a-centos-6-vps/
my master.cf looks like this
spamassassin unix - n n - - pipe
user=nobody
Hello again, here is what I'm trying at my CentOS 6.5:
1) Installed postfix and spamassassin packages
2) Configured postfix - it works well (I omit details here)
3) Added -x to the SPAMDOPTIONS in /etc/sysconfig/spamassassin
4) Added the following 2 lines to the /etc/postfix/master.cf:
smtp
Am 2014-08-11 13:38, schrieb Alexander Farber:
Hello fellow CentOS-users,
on the net there are lots of Spamassassin related HOWTOs - describing
how
to create a shell script for Postfix and how to install Spamassassin
and
start its spamd daemon - step by step. Additionally antivirus
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Sent: Monday, 11 August, 2014 5:01:16 PM
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Use postfix and spamd on CentOS 6 - looking for a
shortest guide
Am 2014-08-11 13:38, schrieb Alexander Farber:
Hello fellow CentOS-users,
on the net there are lots of Spamassassin related
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: [CentOS] Use postfix and spamd on CentOS 6 - looking for a
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Am 11.08.2014 um 18:43 schrieb Adam King:
Can you explain why you'd use milter over spamassassin? Genuinely interested
as we could certainly get better spam filtering...
just becaus eit is the only way where you can
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Adam King ki...@sghs.org.uk wrote:
Thanks :)
Am 11.08.2014 um 18:43 schrieb Adam King:
Can you explain why you'd use milter over spamassassin? Genuinely
interested as we could certainly get better spam filtering...
just becaus eit is the only way where you
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