Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-16 Thread Jon Pruente
On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 12:11 PM Lamar Owen wrote: > > For example, I was messing with kubernetes in a few ways. redhat > > provides a license for RHEL, that you can use for that purpose for > > free, BUT you can have only have one license. > Yes, which makes it a bit difficult to mess around

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-16 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
On 12/16/20 7:13 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: > On 12/16/20 12:55 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: >> Off-topic: >> >> On 12/16/20 4:11 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: >>> 2.) The enthusiasts who were building their own machines from parts. >>> That group is small, but they also tend to be very vocal; IT >>>

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-16 Thread R C
On 12/16/20 11:24 AM, John Plemons wrote: I have a DEC Alpha sitting in my warehouse collecting dust what a great machine it was.. Was sorry to see Linux Support die for it.. I used to work at a university, where one of my colleagues has (I think he still has it) a pdp11/10 You know,

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-16 Thread John Plemons
I have a DEC Alpha sitting in my warehouse collecting dust what a great machine it was.. Was sorry to see Linux Support die for it.. john On 12/16/2020 1:18 PM, R C wrote: On 12/16/20 11:10 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: On 12/16/20 11:24 AM, R C wrote: On 12/16/20 8:11 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: But

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-16 Thread R C
On 12/16/20 11:10 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: On 12/16/20 11:24 AM, R C wrote: On 12/16/20 8:11 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: But the Red Hat-based ecosystem version of that second group is on-topic, as the same sort of enthusiast exists here and has been very vocal about this change. Well yes it is, but

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-16 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/16/20 12:55 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Off-topic: On 12/16/20 4:11 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: 2.) The enthusiasts who were building their own machines from parts. That group is small, but they also tend to be very vocal; IT professionals often fall into this group, and MS wanted to keep

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-16 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/16/20 11:24 AM, R C wrote: On 12/16/20 8:11 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: But the Red Hat-based ecosystem version of that second group is on-topic, as the same sort of enthusiast exists here and has been very vocal about this change. Well yes it is, but it started with a remark about licensing.

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-16 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Off-topic: On 12/16/20 4:11 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: > 2.) The enthusiasts who were building their own machines from parts.  > That group is small, but they also tend to be very vocal; IT > professionals often fall into this group, and MS wanted to keep them > happy for all the reasons previously

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-16 Thread R C
On 12/16/20 8:11 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: On 12/15/20 1:24 PM, R C wrote: What I meant was that MS basically, for the longest while, had their OS pre-installed on computers sold, so it "felt" free to the buyer, it came with the machine. Universities and colleges did receive bulk licenses and

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-16 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/15/20 1:24 PM, R C wrote: What I meant was that MS basically, for the longest while, had their OS pre-installed on computers sold, so it "felt" free to the buyer, it came with the machine. Universities and colleges did receive bulk licenses and .NET pretty much for free in their

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-16 Thread Leon Fauster via CentOS
Am 15.12.20 um 19:35 schrieb Matthew Miller: On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 06:21:17PM +, Phil Perry wrote: thanks to bring this up - this is a big issue. How could we communicate this? Bugzilla? Anyone listing here? Here you go: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1908047 At the

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread Phil Perry
On 15/12/2020 18:35, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 06:21:17PM +, Phil Perry wrote: thanks to bring this up - this is a big issue. How could we communicate this? Bugzilla? Anyone listing here? Here you go: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1908047 At the moment

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 06:21:17PM +, Phil Perry wrote: > >thanks to bring this up - this is a big issue. How could we > >communicate this? Bugzilla? Anyone listing here? > > Here you go: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1908047 > > At the moment the only way we have to feed

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread R C
On 12/15/20 11:15 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: On 12/15/20 5:58 PM, R C wrote: When was the last time a large company (think IBM, Sun, Novell Netware, Oracle) had a great idea to create or take over an OS, or a community only ending up in a situation that only almost killed them. (Yeah MS,

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread Phil Perry
On 15/12/2020 17:51, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: Am 15.12.20 um 18:07 schrieb Phil Perry: 3. 'dnf downgrade foo' doesn't work as only latest/one copy of each package in Stream repository so no opportunity to downgrade/roll back broken packages. thanks to bring this up - this is a big

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
On 12/15/20 5:58 PM, R C wrote: > When was the last time a large company (think IBM, Sun, Novell Netware, > Oracle) had a great idea to create or take over an OS, or a community > only ending up in a situation that only almost killed them. (Yeah MS, > but they figured out that giving it away for

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread Leon Fauster via CentOS
Am 15.12.20 um 18:07 schrieb Phil Perry: 3. 'dnf downgrade foo' doesn't work as only latest/one copy of each package in Stream repository so no opportunity to downgrade/roll back broken packages. thanks to bring this up - this is a big issue. How could we communicate this? Bugzilla? Anyone

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread Leon Fauster via CentOS
Am 15.12.20 um 18:22 schrieb Phil Perry: On 15/12/2020 17:13, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 05:09:39PM +, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393) Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote: 3. 'dnf downgrade foo' doesn't work as only latest/one copy of each package in Stream

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread Phil Perry
On 15/12/2020 17:13, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 05:09:39PM +, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393) Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote: 3. 'dnf downgrade foo' doesn't work as only latest/one copy of each package in Stream repository so no opportunity to downgrade/roll

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread Phil Perry
On 15/12/2020 17:09, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393) Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote: On Dec 15, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Phil Perry wrote: 3. 'dnf downgrade foo' doesn't work as only latest/one copy of each package in Stream repository so no opportunity to downgrade/roll back broken

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393) Washington DC (USA) via CentOS
> On Dec 15, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 05:09:39PM +, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393) > Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote: >>> 3. 'dnf downgrade foo' doesn't work as only latest/one copy of each package >>> in Stream repository so no

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 05:09:39PM +, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393) Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote: > > 3. 'dnf downgrade foo' doesn't work as only latest/one copy of each package > > in Stream repository so no opportunity to downgrade/roll back broken > > packages. > Really? I

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:29:51PM +0800, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > Good day from Singapore, > What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream? CentOS Linux rebuilds packages after they are available from Red Hat as errata or as minor release updates. CentOS

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393) Washington DC (USA) via CentOS
> On Dec 15, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Phil Perry wrote: > > 3. 'dnf downgrade foo' doesn't work as only latest/one copy of each package > in Stream repository so no opportunity to downgrade/roll back broken packages. Really? I hadn't appreciated that. How does one the contribute back to RH/the

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread Phil Perry
On 15/12/2020 15:29, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: Good day from Singapore, What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream? At the moment, I only know that CentOS 8 support will end on 31 December 2021 while Red Hat Inc will shift its focus to CentOS Stream

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread R C
from Singapore, What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream? At the moment, I only know that CentOS 8 support will end on 31 December 2021 while Red Hat Inc will shift its focus to CentOS Stream. Is CentOS Stream going to be very similar to Fedora Linux, shipping with the lates

Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread Kevin K
Dohrnii Teo En Ming < teoenming.dec2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Good day from Singapore, > > What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream? > > At the moment, I only know that CentOS 8 support will end on 31 December > 2021 while Red Hat Inc will shift it

[CentOS] What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?

2020-12-15 Thread Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Good day from Singapore, What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream? At the moment, I only know that CentOS 8 support will end on 31 December 2021 while Red Hat Inc will shift its focus to CentOS Stream. Is CentOS Stream going to be very similar to Fedora Linux, shipping