Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-10 Thread Richard B. Pyne
Look at Rocky Linux rockylinux.org It is set to become what CentOS was before it was sucked in by RH and sold to IBM, a Community Enterprise OS. On 12/8/2020 8:15 AM, Pete Biggs wrote: Forgive a bit of cynicism ... On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 09:06 -0500, Rich Bowen wrote: The future of the

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-10 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
On 12/10/20 5:28 PM, mark wrote: > On 12/9/20 9:32 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 1:41 AM Pete Biggs wrote: >> I think what a lot of people are concerned about is the rolling-release > aspect of this. There will be no definitive versioning of CentOS in > the

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-10 Thread Gionatan Danti
Il 2020-12-10 18:40 Brendan Conoboy ha scritto: Hey, you dropped Centos-devel from your reply. I'll assume that was intentional, but if it wasn't feel free to quote any of this back there. Hi Brendan, no, it was not intentional - I replied from the smartphone and I accidentally dropped the

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-10 Thread mark
On 12/9/20 9:32 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 1:41 AM Pete Biggs wrote: I think what a lot of people are concerned about is the rolling-release aspect of this. There will be no definitive versioning of CentOS in the future - all you will be able to say is "fully updated"

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-10 Thread Sergio Belkin
El mar, 8 dic 2020 a las 13:44, Nicolas Kovacs () escribió: > Le 08/12/2020 à 16:12, Johnny Hughes a écrit : > > Another very good thing > > > > There is no longer a huge delay of a drop of 750 packages at once and a > > delay of more than a month to get a new release. > > > > There will be on

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-10 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 3:29 PM Lamar Owen wrote: > On 12/9/20 9:37 PM, Akemi Yagi wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:07 PM Lamar Owen wrote: > > > >> So, I want to address this part a bit. In MANY cases, it's not a > >> third-party driver that ELrepo packages; it's an in-kernel driver that >

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-10 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/9/20 9:37 PM, Akemi Yagi wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:07 PM Lamar Owen wrote: So, I want to address this part a bit. In MANY cases, it's not a third-party driver that ELrepo packages; it's an in-kernel driver that Red Hat has decided to disable. Such as the megaraid_sas driver I

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-10 Thread Brendan Conoboy
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 1:01 AM Gionatan Danti wrote: > Il 2020-12-10 04:55 Brendan Conoboy ha scritto: > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:07 PM Lamar Owen wrote: > > > >> On 12/9/20 12:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > >> > While I'm not sure how we'll get there, it seems like the > >> > mutually

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-10 Thread Brendan Conoboy
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:54 AM Phil Perry wrote: > On 10/12/2020 03:55, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:07 PM Lamar Owen wrote: > > > >> On 12/9/20 12:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > >>> While I'm not sure how we'll get there, it seems like the > >>> mutually satisfying

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-10 Thread Gionatan Danti
Il 2020-12-10 04:55 Brendan Conoboy ha scritto: On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:07 PM Lamar Owen wrote: On 12/9/20 12:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > While I'm not sure how we'll get there, it seems like the > mutually satisfying end result would be one where third party binary > drivers work with

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-10 Thread Phil Perry
On 10/12/2020 03:55, Brendan Conoboy wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:07 PM Lamar Owen wrote: On 12/9/20 12:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: While I'm not sure how we'll get there, it seems like the mutually satisfying end result would be one where third party binary drivers work with CentOS

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Brendan Conoboy
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:07 PM Lamar Owen wrote: > On 12/9/20 12:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > > While I'm not sure how we'll get there, it seems like the > > mutually satisfying end result would be one where third party binary > > drivers work with CentOS Stream kernels. Let's see what we

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:07 PM Lamar Owen wrote: > > On 12/9/20 12:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > > While I'm not sure how we'll get there, it seems like the > > mutually satisfying end result would be one where third party binary > > drivers work with CentOS Stream kernels. Let's see what we

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/9/20 12:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: While I'm not sure how we'll get there, it seems like the mutually satisfying end result would be one where third party binary drivers work with CentOS Stream kernels. Let's see what we can do. So, I want to address this part a bit.  In MANY cases,

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 09:24:33AM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > What will be the incentive for vendors to participate? Sure you can > talk the corporate talk about opportunities and ecosystems, but the > bottom line is that it requires investment (at least in time) when they > could just continue

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Brendan Conoboy
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:21 AM Phil Perry wrote: > On 09/12/2020 03:26, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 4:19 PM Pete Biggs wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 17:54 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > >>> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 03:15:17PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > >> >

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Barry Brimer
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020, Louis Lagendijk wrote: On Wed, 2020-12-09 at 15:13 +, Phil Perry wrote: If you are able to retain kernel ABI compatibility between RHEL8 and Stream kernels, then we (and other OEMs) will be able to continue to support Stream users, otherwise Stream users will have

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Louis Lagendijk
On Wed, 2020-12-09 at 15:13 +, Phil Perry wrote: > > If > you are able to retain kernel ABI compatibility between RHEL8 and > Stream > kernels, then we (and other OEMs) will be able to continue to > support > Stream users, otherwise Stream users will have to look to > alternative >

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Phil Perry
On 09/12/2020 03:26, Brendan Conoboy wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 4:19 PM Pete Biggs wrote: On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 17:54 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 03:15:17PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: "CentOS will become the developer playground" This one is categorically not

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Nikolaos Milas
scenarios which the new CentOS Stream will not be able to support any more, due to its nature. You may want to read comments at: https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ and: https://www.change.org/p/centos-governing-board-do-not-destroy-centos-by-using-it-as-a-rhel-upstream

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Brendan Conoboy
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 1:41 AM Pete Biggs wrote: > > I think what a lot of people are concerned about is the rolling-release > > > aspect of this. There will be no definitive versioning of CentOS in the > > > future - all you will be able to say is "fully updated" and it won't be > > > possible

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Rainer Traut
Am 08.12.20 um 22:30 schrieb Frank Cox: Prior to this point it's been a difference without any difference, but I wonder if Oracle actually re-creates RHEL or if they re-create Centos. Oracle was/is much faster in releasing updates, point releases and releases. They don't need Centos to get

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Rainer Traut
Wrong. Am 08.12.20 um 18:25 schrieb J Martin Rushton via CentOS: The first thing Oracle wants is for you to sign up for an Oracle account.  Hmm, I'll give Springdale a try.  For those with long memories, remember the DEC RDMS promises prior to take over, and the aftermath? Isos are here:

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Kai Bojens via CentOS
Am 08.12.20 um 15:06 schrieb Rich Bowen: The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a current RHEL release. JFTR: I don't

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Pete Biggs
> > I think what a lot of people are concerned about is the rolling-release > > aspect of this. There will be no definitive versioning of CentOS in the > > future - all you will be able to say is "fully updated" and it won't be > > possible to slot a CentOS system in to exactly match a RHEL

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Pete Biggs
On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 19:52 -0800, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:00 PM Pete Biggs wrote: > > > The problem is that we won't know if it will work. When CentOS matched > > the RHEL point releases we knew that an RPM/driver targeted for RHEL > > 8.2 has a good chance of working

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Il 08/12/20 22:12, Nicolas Kovacs ha scritto: Le 08/12/2020 à 21:56, Johnny Hughes a écrit : And, it will likely be sometime mid to late 1st quarter 2021 before CentOS Stream is in its 'Fully Functional' state with community pull requests and the RHEL package maintainer doing all the work in

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Il 08/12/20 17:04, John Thomas ha scritto: I'll probably switch to Debian over the new year. On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:01 AM Phelps, Matthew wrote: I'm exactly planning this today. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-09 Thread Marc Balmer via CentOS
Good Morning > Am 08.12.2020 um 15:06 schrieb Rich Bowen : > > The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year > we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise > Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a current RHEL

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Alexandru Pătrănescu
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 22:58 Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/8/20 1:04 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > >> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next > >> year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat > >>

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Brendan Conoboy
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:00 PM Pete Biggs wrote: > The problem is that we won't know if it will work. When CentOS matched > the RHEL point releases we knew that an RPM/driver targeted for RHEL > 8.2 has a good chance of working on CentOS 8.2 - but that versioning > match is lost with Stream. So

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Brendan Conoboy
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 4:19 PM Pete Biggs wrote: > On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 17:54 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 03:15:17PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > "CentOS will become the developer playground" > > > > This one is categorically not the case. Even Fedora isn't a

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Pete Biggs
> > It is not the same as Rawhide is all I am saying. > > It is based on the current release and it is being modified for some reason. > > That modification can be a bugfix from a reported bug, it can be an > enhancement for a given package or it can be a security update. > > Each of these

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 7:32 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/8/20 5:29 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:05 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > > > >> On 12/8/20 3:40 PM, Jim Bourne wrote: > >>> On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: > I promise you, to the best of my

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 6:18 PM, Pete Biggs wrote: > On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 17:54 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 03:15:17PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > >>> "CentOS will become the developer playground" >> >> This one is categorically not the case. Even Fedora isn't a developer >>

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 5:29 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:05 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> On 12/8/20 3:40 PM, Jim Bourne wrote: >>> On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: I promise you, to the best of my knowledge, IBM had nothing to do with this decision. Red Hat is a

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Pete Biggs
On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 17:54 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 03:15:17PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > "CentOS will become the developer playground" > > This one is categorically not the case. Even Fedora isn't a developer > playground. Everything landing in CentOS Stream is

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Richard G
For the record, I don't think this is a good decision because it changes what CentOS is (its "core mission" in business-speak). On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:07 PM Rich Bowen wrote: > > The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next > year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 11:42:01PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > I too would be interested to know what happens to CentOS 8 Stream once > focus of RedHat moves to RHEL 9? The life cycle document says the last > release of RHEL8 will be 8.10, that's a five year road map (since point > releases seem

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Pete Biggs
> > FAQ:"Updates for the CentOS Stream 8 distribution continue through the > full RHEL support phase." > > What does this "full" exactly means? Will C8S be "closed" in May 31, > 2024 [*] but RHEL8 still supported through Maintenance support mode > until 2029? I too would be interested to know

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:05 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/8/20 3:40 PM, Jim Bourne wrote: > > On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> I promise you, to the best of my knowledge, IBM had nothing to do with > >> this decision. Red Hat is a distinct unit inside IBM and Red Hat still > >>

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:05 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/8/20 3:40 PM, Jim Bourne wrote: > > On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> I promise you, to the best of my knowledge, IBM had nothing to do with > >> this decision. Red Hat is a distinct unit inside IBM and Red Hat still > >>

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
Forget about IBM. We were told way back in 2014, when Red Hat bought CentOS, that CentOS would remain independent from RedHat. This is clearly bullshit now. So we were totally misled into adopting the platform with the belief that what we were getting would stay the same, an unsupported recompile

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 3:40 PM, Jim Bourne wrote: > On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> I promise you, to the best of my knowledge, IBM had nothing to do with >> this decision.  Red Hat is a distinct unit inside IBM and Red Hat still >> has a CEO, CFO, etc.  Red Hat also maintains a neutral

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 03:15:17PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > Forgive a bit of cynicism ... Sure, some cynicism is absolutely warranted. It's a big change. > "If you want to keep using RHEL for free, you will have to put up with > making sure that our paying customers get better quality

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 4:13 PM Phelps, Matthew wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 4:02 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> On 12/8/20 2:01 PM, cen...@niob.at wrote: >> > On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> >> On 12/8/20 8:35 AM, Bill Gee wrote: >> >>> Aside from the the latest shiny - what

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread michael Schumacher
> A colleague of mine - the most proficient admin I personally know - already > decided to move to Oracle Linux. And I'm currently considering it as an > option. And Larry Ellison is sitting in his office laughing his ass off. Happy guy with a nice christmas gift from the RH board of

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread DHilsbos
www.PerformAir.com -Original Message- From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Paul Heinlein Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:05 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, Rich Bowen wrote

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Jim Bourne
On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: I promise you, to the best of my knowledge, IBM had nothing to do with this decision. Red Hat is a distinct unit inside IBM and Red Hat still has a CEO, CFO, etc. Red Hat also maintains a neutral relationship with many IBM competitors. So this was not

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Leon Fauster via CentOS
Am 08.12.20 um 21:56 schrieb Johnny Hughes: On 12/8/20 1:04 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote: On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, Rich Bowen wrote: The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Frank Cox
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 22:12:50 +0100 Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > A colleague of mine - the most proficient admin I personally know - already > decided to move to Oracle Linux. And I'm currently considering it as an > option. This sounds like a reasonable path forward, but I wonder if Oracle will simply

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 4:02 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/8/20 2:01 PM, cen...@niob.at wrote: > > On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> On 12/8/20 8:35 AM, Bill Gee wrote: > >>> Aside from the the latest shiny - what are the advantages of CentOS 8 > >>> Stream? What are the benefits?

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 08/12/2020 à 21:56, Johnny Hughes a écrit : > And, it will likely be sometime mid to late 1st quarter 2021 before > CentOS Stream is in its 'Fully Functional' state with community pull > requests and the RHEL package maintainer doing all the work in CentOS > Stream, etc . CentOS Linux 8 will

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Strahil Nikolov via CentOS
> I promise you, to the best of my knowledge, IBM had nothing to do > with > this decision. Red Hat is a distinct unit inside IBM and Red Hat > still > has a CEO, CFO, etc. Red Hat also maintains a neutral relationship > with > many IBM competitors. So this was not an IBM decision. > So why

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 2:01 PM, cen...@niob.at wrote: > On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> On 12/8/20 8:35 AM, Bill Gee wrote: >>> Aside from the the latest shiny - what are the advantages of CentOS 8 >>> Stream?  What are the benefits? >>> >>> I read through the announcement and FAQ, but they do

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 1:04 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, Rich Bowen wrote: > >> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next >> year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat >> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread centos
On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 12/8/20 8:35 AM, Bill Gee wrote: Aside from the the latest shiny - what are the advantages of CentOS 8 Stream? What are the benefits? I read through the announcement and FAQ, but they do not address that question. Is it just a name change? Is

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Paul Heinlein
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, Rich Bowen wrote: The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread J Martin Rushton via CentOS
The first thing Oracle wants is for you to sign up for an Oracle account. Hmm, I'll give Springdale a try. For those with long memories, remember the DEC RDMS promises prior to take over, and the aftermath? On 08/12/2020 15:58, Julio E. Gonzalez wrote: I am already using Oracle Linux in

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 08/12/2020 à 16:54, Marc Balmer via CentOS a écrit : > This really pisses me off. You published CentOS 8 with a promise to support > it until May 2029. > > Now you betray all users that took you by the mouth by stating it's EOL > december 31. 2021. > > Do you really think that was a smart

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 08/12/2020 à 16:12, Johnny Hughes a écrit : > Another very good thing > > There is no longer a huge delay of a drop of 750 packages at once and a > delay of more than a month to get a new release. > > There will be on delay in stream .. it will be a constantly rolling > distribution ..

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread J Martin Rushton via CentOS
To be fair, that was a commitment RH gave. They are now a department within Big Blue and must dance to their tune. Of course you could always try holding your breath and awaiting the sell off to Lenovo in about five years time. On 08/12/2020 16:25, Lange, Markus wrote: Hi, this is really

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Lange, Markus
Hi, this is really bad news. Back in 2014 [1], sadly no one at RH seems to remember... "Some of the things that are not changing: - - The CentOS Linux platform isn't changing. The process and methods built up around the platform however are going to become more open, more inclusive and

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Laack, Andrea P
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Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread John Thomas
I'll probably switch to Debian over the new year. On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:01 AM Phelps, Matthew wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:58 AM Julio E. Gonzalez > wrote: > > > I am already using Oracle Linux in some servers. > > > > Free as CentOS, faster updates than CentOS, and with some extra

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:58 AM Julio E. Gonzalez wrote: > I am already using Oracle Linux in some servers. > > Free as CentOS, faster updates than CentOS, and with some extra support, > BTRFS and a newer kernel, for example. > > > I expect their usage is about to explode. I've always feared a

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Julio E. Gonzalez
I am already using Oracle Linux in some servers. Free as CentOS, faster updates than CentOS, and with some extra support, BTRFS and a newer kernel, for example. On 12/8/20 12:15 PM, Pete Biggs wrote: Red Hat's perspective is "CentOS is ours now; IBM have told us to make sure it's pulling

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Marc Balmer via CentOS
This really pisses me off. You published CentOS 8 with a promise to support it until May 2029. Now you betray all users that took you by the mouth by stating it's EOL december 31. 2021. Do you really think that was a smart move? > Am 08.12.2020 um 15:06 schrieb Rich Bowen : > > The future

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Harold Toms
On 08/12/2020 15:15, Pete Biggs wrote: So as far as I can see all the RHEL rebuilds are dead now - WhiteBox, Scientific Linux, now CentOS. Are there any left? Springdale: http://springdale.math.ias.edu/ -- Harold Toms SBCS NMR Manager Working from home

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Laack, Andrea P
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Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Pete Biggs
Forgive a bit of cynicism ... On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 09:06 -0500, Rich Bowen wrote: > The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next > year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat > Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 8:35 AM, Bill Gee wrote: > Aside from the the latest shiny - what are the advantages of CentOS 8 Stream? > What are the benefits? > > I read through the announcement and FAQ, but they do not address that > question. Is it just a name change? Is it an attempt to put CentOS on a >

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Leon Fauster via CentOS
Am 08.12.20 um 15:15 schrieb Tom Bishop: On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:07 AM Rich Bowen wrote: The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 8:35 AM, Bill Gee wrote: > Aside from the the latest shiny - what are the advantages of CentOS 8 Stream? > What are the benefits? > > I read through the announcement and FAQ, but they do not address that > question. Is it just a name change? Is it an attempt to put CentOS on a >

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Bill Gee
Aside from the the latest shiny - what are the advantages of CentOS 8 Stream? What are the benefits? I read through the announcement and FAQ, but they do not address that question. Is it just a name change? Is it an attempt to put CentOS on a subscription model? -- Bill Gee On Tuesday,

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Tom Bishop
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:07 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next > year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat > Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a > current RHEL release.

[CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Rich Bowen
The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end at the end