Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-14 Thread John Hodrien
On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Always Learning wrote: On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 19:21 -0700, compdoc wrote: ECC allows for single bit errors to be corrected and multiple bit errors to be noticed. I know what it is and I've used it in the past, but I just don't see many errors going on in desktop

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-14 Thread John Hodrien
On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: But the accumulated costs of the higher end motherboard, memory, shortage of space for upgrades in the same unit, the downtime at the BIOS to reset the disabled by default ECC settings in the BIOS, and the system monitoring to detect and manage

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-14 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:49 AM, John Hodrien j.h.hodr...@leeds.ac.uk wrote: On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: But the accumulated costs of the higher end motherboard, memory, shortage of space for upgrades in the same unit, the downtime at the BIOS to reset the disabled by

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-14 Thread John Hodrien
On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: Trust me, it's a pain in the keister in production. If the standard is now enabled, good: I haven't had my hands inside a server in a year, I admit it. (My current role doesn't call for it.) It *didn't* used to be standard. Are you sure it is? I

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-14 Thread Always Learning
LinuxBoot is now CoreBoot at http://www.coreboot.org/ -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-14 Thread Rob Kampen
Nico-Garcia wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Rob Kampen rkam...@kampensonline.com wrote: Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: Pleae, name a single instance in the last 10 years where ECC demonstrably saved you work, especially if you made sure ti burn in the ssytem components on

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-14 Thread Les Mikesell
On 2/14/2011 9:53 AM, Rob Kampen wrote: This system was initially commissioned after burn in, in late 2004 - An Intel mb. It started with RH9, then went FC3, then CentOS5. As mentioned the ECC memory has warned me when things are not well and allowed me to take remedial action before anything

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-14 Thread John Hinton
On 2/14/2011 10:53 AM, Rob Kampen wrote: Nico-Garcia wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Rob Kampen rkam...@kampensonline.com wrote: Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: Pleae, name a single instance in the last 10 years where ECC demonstrably saved you work, especially if you made sure ti burn

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-14 Thread Eero Volotinen
Anyway, it's an alternative method if you don't need hoards of horsepower but if reliability is most important. As always, watch the rating of any seller. I've had good luck over the years. I really like Dell iDrac remote management and really good linux support on hardware like omsa. Fujitsu

[CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread Michel Donais
Did somebody can give me some advises on hardware for building a Centos linux server? --- Michel Donais___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread Luigi Rosa
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michel Donais said the following on 13/02/11 16:26: Did somebody can give me some advises on hardware for building a Centos linux server? What will you put on that server? Ciao, luigi - -- / +--[Luigi Rosa]-- \ I used to wish the universe were

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread Digimer
On 02/13/2011 10:26 AM, Michel Donais wrote: Did somebody can give me some advises on hardware for building a Centos linux server? Look for vendors that specifically list Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 as a supported operating system. Most major vendors should offer servers with this support. If

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread Kai Schaetzl
what about looking in the archives? You are really not the first person asking this. Kai ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread Michel Donais
Before any possible answer can be given, the first question must be: What do you plan to do with it? You'r right, but I have to begin somewhere. This hardware is intended to be a terminal server for at least 40 users driven with LTSP.for BBx Pro-5 and Bbj applications Need fast and huge

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread Eero Volotinen
2011/2/14 Michel Donais don...@telupton.com: Before any possible answer can be given, the first question must be: What do you plan to do with it? You'r right, but I have to begin somewhere. This hardware is intended to be a terminal server for at least 40 users driven with LTSP.for BBx Pro-5

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread John R Pierce
On 02/13/11 2:42 PM, Michel Donais wrote: I checked recently for an ASUS S775 P5Q-VM G45 PCIE MOTHERBOARD with an INTEL CORE 2 QUAD Q9550 2.83G/1333/12M/S775 with SATA hard disc no Raid I doesn't seem to be a server board and I'm not shure of that choice. thats desktop hardware. no ECC

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread compdoc
undetected creeping bit errors due to lack of ECC would be, in my book, unacceptable. Where can one find info or studies on this sort of thing? I use non-ecc ram in several servers, and of course most ppl use it in their desktops. Wouldn't bit errors result in crashes or data corruption? Or

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread Les Mikesell
On 2/13/11 7:55 PM, compdoc wrote: undetected creeping bit errors due to lack of ECC would be, in my book, unacceptable. Where can one find info or studies on this sort of thing? I use non-ecc ram in several servers, and of course most ppl use it in their desktops. Wouldn't bit errors

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread Ryan Wagoner
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 8:55 PM, compdoc comp...@hotrodpc.com wrote: undetected creeping bit errors due to lack of ECC would be, in my book, unacceptable. Where can one find info or studies on this sort of thing? I use non-ecc ram in several servers, and of course most ppl use it in their

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread compdoc
ECC allows for single bit errors to be corrected and multiple bit errors to be noticed. I know what it is and I've used it in the past, but I just don't see many errors going on in desktop computers and servers that use non-ecc ram. ___ CentOS

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread Always Learning
On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 19:21 -0700, compdoc wrote: ECC allows for single bit errors to be corrected and multiple bit errors to be noticed. I know what it is and I've used it in the past, but I just don't see many errors going on in desktop computers and servers that use non-ecc ram. I

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 7:01 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 02/13/11 2:42 PM, Michel Donais wrote: I checked recently for  an ASUS S775 P5Q-VM G45 PCIE MOTHERBOARD with an INTEL CORE 2 QUAD Q9550 2.83G/1333/12M/S775 with SATA hard disc no Raid I doesn't seem to be a server

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread John R Pierce
On 02/13/11 7:06 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: It's also possible to save the budget, buy *two* similarly powerful used systems with much lesser hardware specs, and have genuine failover instead of the shared vulnerability of one expensive server with high-availability components as you

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread David Brian Chait
: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of John R Pierce Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:17 PM To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] server specifications On 02/13/11 7:06 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: It's also possible to save the budget, buy *two

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:23 PM, David Brian Chait dch...@invenda.com wrote: By doubling the hardware, you still do not overcome the potential corruption that could occur with non-ecc memory. If this is truly a mission critical application then it really does not serve much of a purpose to

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread Rob Kampen
Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:23 PM, David Brian Chait dch...@invenda.com wrote: By doubling the hardware, you still do not overcome the potential corruption that could occur with non-ecc memory. If this is truly a mission critical application then it really does not

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Rob Kampen rkam...@kampensonline.com wrote: Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: Pleae, name a single instance in the last 10 years where ECC demonstrably saved you work, especially if you made sure ti burn in the ssytem components on servers upon their first bootup...

Re: [CentOS] server specifications

2011-02-13 Thread William Warren
On 2/14/2011 12:29 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Rob Kampenrkam...@kampensonline.com wrote: Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: Pleae, name a single instance in the last 10 years where ECC demonstrably saved you work, especially if you made sure ti burn in the ssytem