Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-02-01 Thread John Hinton
Les Mikesell wrote: Craig White wrote: We will work also with the Red Hat Security team and see if we can isolate any issues that might be FIXABLE. doesn't this almost beg for upstream to make denyhosts a base install and automatically on, just as sshd is automatically on? I've always

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-29 Thread MHR
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Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-29 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Jan 28, 2008 9:19 PM, Michael A. Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frank Cox wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:36:03 -0500 > > Jim Perrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> And above all, because I know many admins slack on this, and I'm > >> guilty of it as well if it's not forced... ROTATE

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-29 Thread Johnny Hughes
David Thompson wrote: "Michael A. Peters" wrote: I have never understood this. If I have a good, strong password that nobody knows, how is changing it to another one an improvement over what I already have? I agree with you. For user accounts, changing one strong password for another gains y

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-29 Thread Les Mikesell
Chris Mauritz wrote: Milton Calnek wrote: If you don't like the defaults, get anaconda to change them for you. Or write a script that you run shortly after install to make the changes for you. That would be pretty amazing if at the end (or at the beginning) of the install there was some chec

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-29 Thread Chris Mauritz
Milton Calnek wrote: If you don't like the defaults, get anaconda to change them for you. Or write a script that you run shortly after install to make the changes for you. That would be pretty amazing if at the end (or at the beginning) of the install there was some checkbox that said somethi

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-29 Thread Milton Calnek
Johnny Hughes wrote: Jim Perrin wrote: The real reason is that RHEL does not ship that way, so CentOS does not either. The bottom line for this and all other questions like it is this: We clone the configuration of the upstream system on purpose so that CentOS performs as much as possible

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-29 Thread David Thompson
"Michael A. Peters" wrote: >> >> I have never understood this. If I have a good, strong password that nobody >> knows, how is changing it to another one an improvement over what I already >> have? > >I agree with you. For user accounts, changing one strong password for another gains you nothing,

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-29 Thread Johnny Hughes
Chris Mauritz wrote: Alfredo Perez wrote: I will add to that list, change ssh port 22 to somthing else Why? Most of the script kiddies now check all the higher ports for ssh too. Moving ssh's port around solves nothing. Actually, I have to disagree. SOME of the script kiddies check highe

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-29 Thread Johnny Hughes
Jim Perrin wrote: On Jan 29, 2008 5:52 AM, mouss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jim Perrin wrote: Along the lines of staying safe, now is probably a good time to check your password policies. 1. Don't allow root access to ssh. (modify /etc/ssh/sshd_config) why isn't this the default? Taking a

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-29 Thread Jim Perrin
On Jan 29, 2008 8:01 AM, Alfredo Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thinking about the above made me ask the following question: > > Is it possible to setup Centos to ask for a change of password > every month? Yep. Change the values in /etc/login.defs for PASS_* and use: chage -M -m -W USER

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-29 Thread Chris Mauritz
Alfredo Perez wrote: > I will add to that list, change ssh port 22 to somthing else > Why? Most of the script kiddies now check all the higher ports for ssh too. Moving ssh's port around solves nothing. Cheers, ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.o

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-29 Thread Alfredo Perez
On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 10:36:03PM -0500, Jim Perrin wrote: > Along the lines of staying safe, now is probably a good time to check > your password policies. > > 1. Don't allow root access to ssh. (modify /etc/ssh/sshd_config) > 2. restrict root logins to only the local machine. (modify /etc/secur

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-29 Thread Alfredo Perez
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 04:43:16PM +1100, Les Bell wrote: > > Frank Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > I have never understood this. If I have a good, strong password that > nobody > knows, how is changing it to another one an improvement over what I already > have? > << > > Correct. Moder

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-29 Thread Jim Perrin
On Jan 29, 2008 5:52 AM, mouss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim Perrin wrote: > > Along the lines of staying safe, now is probably a good time to check > > your password policies. > > > > 1. Don't allow root access to ssh. (modify /etc/ssh/sshd_config) > > > why isn't this the default? > Taking an

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-29 Thread mouss
Jim Perrin wrote: Along the lines of staying safe, now is probably a good time to check your password policies. 1. Don't allow root access to ssh. (modify /etc/ssh/sshd_config) why isn't this the default? 2. restrict root logins to only the local machine. (modify /etc/securetty) 3. Limit u

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-28 Thread Les Bell
Frank Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have never understood this. If I have a good, strong password that nobody knows, how is changing it to another one an improvement over what I already have? << Correct. Modern thinking is to teach people how to create a good, strong password and then sti

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-28 Thread Michael A. Peters
Frank Cox wrote: On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:36:03 -0500 Jim Perrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And above all, because I know many admins slack on this, and I'm guilty of it as well if it's not forced... ROTATE your passwords periodically I have never understood this. If I have a good, strong pass

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-28 Thread Les Mikesell
Jim Perrin wrote: On Jan 28, 2008 10:14 PM, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Craig White wrote: We will work also with the Red Hat Security team and see if we can isolate any issues that might be FIXABLE. doesn't this almost beg for upstream to make denyhosts a base install and aut

RE: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-28 Thread Joseph L. Casale
>I have never understood this. Exactly why you should be more proactive, if it matters in your environment. >If I have a good, strong password that nobody >knows Do you know this? CMIIW, But an example from the windows world would be *if* someone sniffed the hash of an admin login, then took it

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-28 Thread Frank Cox
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:36:03 -0500 Jim Perrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And above all, because I know many admins slack on this, and I'm > guilty of it as well if it's not forced... ROTATE your passwords > periodically I have never understood this. If I have a good, strong password that nobod

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-28 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 22:19 -0500, Jim Perrin wrote: > On Jan 28, 2008 10:14 PM, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Craig White wrote: > > >> > > >> We will work also with the Red Hat Security team and see if we can > > >> isolate any issues that might be FIXABLE. > > > > > > doesn't

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-28 Thread Jim Perrin
Along the lines of staying safe, now is probably a good time to check your password policies. 1. Don't allow root access to ssh. (modify /etc/ssh/sshd_config) 2. restrict root logins to only the local machine. (modify /etc/securetty) 3. Limit users with access to 'su' to the wheel group (use visud

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-28 Thread Jim Perrin
On Jan 28, 2008 10:14 PM, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Craig White wrote: > >> > >> We will work also with the Red Hat Security team and see if we can > >> isolate any issues that might be FIXABLE. > > > > doesn't this almost beg for upstream to make denyhosts a base install > > a

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-28 Thread Les Mikesell
Craig White wrote: We will work also with the Red Hat Security team and see if we can isolate any issues that might be FIXABLE. doesn't this almost beg for upstream to make denyhosts a base install and automatically on, just as sshd is automatically on? I've always wondered why a progra

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-28 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 19:55 -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote: > Johnny Hughes wrote: > > Here is the applicable article: > > > > http://www.linux.com/feature/125548 > > > > There are links in the above article that explain tests for the system > > and what is currently known about the rootkit. > > >

Re: [CentOS] Unknown rootkit causes compromised servers

2008-01-28 Thread Johnny Hughes
Johnny Hughes wrote: Here is the applicable article: http://www.linux.com/feature/125548 There are links in the above article that explain tests for the system and what is currently known about the rootkit. Apparently initial access is NOT via any vulnerability but just guessed root passwor