Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-19 Thread Lamar Owen
On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 03:31:53 PM Les Mikesell wrote: Sure, everything can break and most will sometime, but does this happen often enough that you'd want to slow down all of your network disk writes by an order of magnitude on the odd chance that some app really cares about a random

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-19 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Lamar Owen lo...@pari.edu wrote: On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 03:31:53 PM Les Mikesell wrote: Sure, everything can break and most will sometime, but does this happen often enough that you'd want to slow down all of your network disk writes by an order of

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-18 Thread Lamar Owen
On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:28:00 PM Les Mikesell wrote: But the thing with the spinning disks is the thing that will go down. Not much reason for a network to break - at least since people stopped using thin coax. Just a few days ago I watched a facility's switched network go basically

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-18 Thread Rob Kampen
On 07/19/2012 06:31 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:28:00 PM Les Mikesell wrote: But the thing with the spinning disks is the thing that will go down. Not much reason for a network to break - at least since people stopped using thin coax. Just a few days ago I watched a

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-18 Thread Les Mikesell
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Lamar Owen lo...@pari.edu wrote: On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:28:00 PM Les Mikesell wrote: But the thing with the spinning disks is the thing that will go down. Not much reason for a network to break - at least since people stopped using thin coax. Just a few

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-17 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 07/13/2012 07:40 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:12 AM, mark m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: *After* I test further, I think it's up to my manager and our users to decide if it's worth it to go with less secure - this is a real issue, since some of their jobs run days, and one or

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-17 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: I always wondered why the default for nfs was ever sync in the first place. Why shouldn't it be the same as local use of the filesystem? The few things that care should be doing fsync's at the right places anyway.

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-17 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: I always wondered why the default for nfs was ever sync in the first place. Why shouldn't it be the same as local use of the filesystem? The few things that care should be doing fsync's at the right

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-17 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 8:27 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I always wondered why the default for nfs was ever sync in the first place. Why shouldn't it be the same as local use of the filesystem? The few things that care should be doing fsync's at the right places anyway. Well, the reason

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-16 Thread James B. Byrne
On Wed, July 11, 2012 00:21, Kahlil Hodgson wrote: If you are just using the Red Hat bugzilla that might be your problem. I've heard a rumour that Red Hat doesn't really monitor that channel, giving preference to issues raised though their customer portal. That does makes _some_ commercial

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-13 Thread Tilman Schmidt
Am 11.07.2012 00:58, schrieb Gé Weijers: It may not be a bug, it may be that RHEL 6.x implements I/O barriers correctly, which slows things down but keeps you from losing data Which is of course no excuse for not even responding to a support request. It's not a bug, it's a feature may not

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-13 Thread mark
On 07/12/12 06:41, Colin Simpson wrote: I have tried the async option and that reverts to being as fast as previously. So I guess the choice is use the less safe async and get file creation being quick or live with the slow down until a potentially new protocol extension appears to help with

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-13 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:12 AM, mark m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: *After* I test further, I think it's up to my manager and our users to decide if it's worth it to go with less secure - this is a real issue, since some of their jobs run days, and one or two weeks, on an HBS* or a good sized

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-12 Thread Colin Simpson
I have tried the async option and that reverts to being as fast as previously. So I guess the choice is use the less safe async and get file creation being quick or live with the slow down until a potentially new protocol extension appears to help with this. Colin On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 15:16

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-11 Thread Colin Simpson
We have this issue. I have a support call open with Red Hat about it. Bug reports will only really forcibly get actioned if you open a support call and point at the bug report. I also have this issue though much much worse on Fedora (using BTRFS), which will surely have to be fixed before BTRFS

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-11 Thread Les Mikesell
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Colin Simpson colin.simp...@iongeo.com wrote: But think yourself lucky, BTRFS on Fedora 16 was much worse. This was the time it took me to untar a vlc tarball. F16 to RHEL5 - 0m 28.170s F16 to F16 ext4 - 4m 12.450s F16 to F16 btrfs - 14m 31.252s A quick

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-11 Thread Gé Weijers
This is likely to be a bug in RHEL5 rather than one in RHEL6. RHEL5 (kernel 2.6.18) does not always guarantee that the disk cache is flushed before 'fsync' returns. This is especially true if you use software RAID and/or LVM. You may be able to get the old performance back by disabling I/O

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-11 Thread m . roth
Gé Weijers wrote: This is likely to be a bug in RHEL5 rather than one in RHEL6. RHEL5 (kernel 2.6.18) does not always guarantee that the disk cache is flushed before 'fsync' returns. This is especially true if you use software RAID and/or LVM. You may be able to get the old performance back

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-11 Thread David C. Miller
- Original Message - On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Colin Simpson colin.simp...@iongeo.com wrote: But think yourself lucky, BTRFS on Fedora 16 was much worse. This was the time it took me to untar a vlc tarball. F16 to RHEL5 - 0m 28.170s F16 to F16 ext4 - 4m 12.450s

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-10 Thread Gé Weijers
It may not be a bug, it may be that RHEL 6.x implements I/O barriers correctly, which slows things down but keeps you from losing data On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:18 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Thought I'd post this here, too - I emailed it to the redhat list, and that's pretty moribund,

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: Bug 800181: NFSv4 on RHEL 6.3 over six times slower than 5.8

2012-07-10 Thread Kahlil Hodgson
On 11/07/12 00:18, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: For any redhatters on the list, I'm going to be reopening this bug today. I am also VERY unhappy with Redhat. I filed the bug months ago, and it was *never* assigned - no one apparently even looked at it. It's a show-stopper for us, since it hits us