Am 27.02.21 um 16:28 schrieb James Szinger:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 09:40:06 -0600
Johnny Hughes wrote:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/modularity/using-modules/
I find the modularity end-user documentation to be woefully
inadequate, especially for developers.
Yep!
Here are several
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 09:40:06 -0600
Johnny Hughes wrote:
>
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/modularity/using-modules/
I find the modularity end-user documentation to be woefully
inadequate, especially for developers.
Here are several basic to advanced question that I can’t see answers
for
On 2/26/21 11:38 AM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote:
https://pagure.io/fm-orchestrator
What an obvious package name. :-)
Thanks for the pointer!
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Am 26.02.21 um 17:23 schrieb Lamar Owen:
On 2/26/21 10:40 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
From a user perspective or a building perspective?
Builder.
https://pagure.io/fm-orchestrator
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On 2/26/21 10:40 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
From a user perspective or a building perspective?
Builder.
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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 17:26, Gionatan Danti wrote:
> Il 2021-02-25 22:35 Stephen John Smoogen ha scritto:
> > Mainly because customers don't want to pay for that work which is
> > considerable. If Red Hat builds it, it is expected to have all kinds of
> > 'promises' equivalent to its other
On 2/26/21 9:40 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 2/25/21 4:44 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
>> On 2/24/21 3:49 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>> Not that it matters .. BUT .. EL8 is much harder to build for. There
>>> are modular components, not all the Devel files exist, etc.
>>>
>>> It is much harder than EL7.
On 2/25/21 4:44 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 2/24/21 3:49 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> Not that it matters .. BUT .. EL8 is much harder to build for. There
>> are modular components, not all the Devel files exist, etc.
>>
>> It is much harder than EL7.
> And that difficulty shows; more stable
On 2/24/21 3:49 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
Not that it matters .. BUT .. EL8 is much harder to build for. There
are modular components, not all the Devel files exist, etc.
It is much harder than EL7.
And that difficulty shows; more stable perhaps, but many fewer
packages. Is there a reference
Il 2021-02-25 22:35 Stephen John Smoogen ha scritto:
Mainly because customers don't want to pay for that work which is
considerable. If Red Hat builds it, it is expected to have all kinds of
'promises' equivalent to its other products and that is expensive in
terms
of QA, engineering,
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 16:10, Gionatan Danti wrote:
> Il 2021-02-25 14:27 Simon Matter ha scritto:
> > EL on the other side has a very limited, supported package set and
> > therefore a lot of packages needed to build a lot of packages are just
> > missing.
>
> Yeah, same impressions here. EPEL
On 2/25/21 3:09 PM, Gionatan Danti wrote:
Il 2021-02-25 14:27 Simon Matter ha scritto:
EL on the other side has a very limited, supported package set and
therefore a lot of packages needed to build a lot of packages are just
missing.
Yeah, same impressions here. EPEL really is a key
Il 2021-02-25 14:27 Simon Matter ha scritto:
EL on the other side has a very limited, supported package set and
therefore a lot of packages needed to build a lot of packages are just
missing.
Yeah, same impressions here. EPEL really is a key package repository for
RHEL - and I always wondered
On 25/02/2021 20:56, Simon Matter wrote:
On 25/02/2021 18:18, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote:
Am 25.02.21 um 15:12 schrieb J Martin Rushton via CentOS:
On 25/02/2021 13:37, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
I was recently looking at Raymond's book "The Art of UNIX Programming"
from 2003.
>
>
> On 25/02/2021 18:18, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote:
>> Am 25.02.21 um 15:12 schrieb J Martin Rushton via CentOS:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25/02/2021 13:37, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>>>
>
>>> I was recently looking at Raymond's book "The Art of UNIX Programming"
>>> from 2003. He, along with
On 25/02/2021 18:18, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote:
Am 25.02.21 um 15:12 schrieb J Martin Rushton via CentOS:
On 25/02/2021 13:37, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
I was recently looking at Raymond's book "The Art of UNIX Programming"
from 2003. He, along with contributors Thompson
Am 25.02.21 um 15:12 schrieb J Martin Rushton via CentOS:
On 25/02/2021 13:37, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
They run into the same interdependency.. but because they have
organically
grown their distro every day, those dependencies grew 1 at a time.
For EPEL and other EL repos you have to
On 25/02/2021 16:54, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 10:07, J Martin Rushton
mailto:martinrushto...@btinternet.com>>
wrote:
On 25/02/2021 14:49, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 09:13, J Martin Rushton via CentOS
>
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 10:07, J Martin Rushton <
martinrushto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 25/02/2021 14:49, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 09:13, J Martin Rushton via CentOS
> > mailto:centos@centos.org>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 25/02/2021 13:37,
On 2/25/21 8:28 AM, Simon Matter wrote:
On 25/02/2021 13:37, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
They run into the same interdependency.. but because they have
organically
grown their distro every day, those dependencies grew 1 at a time.
For EPEL and other EL repos you have to jump multiple
On 25/02/2021 14:49, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 09:13, J Martin Rushton via CentOS
mailto:centos@centos.org>> wrote:
On 25/02/2021 13:37, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
I was recently looking at Raymond's book "The Art of UNIX Programming"
from 2003.
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 09:13, J Martin Rushton via CentOS
wrote:
>
>
> On 25/02/2021 13:37, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
> I was recently looking at Raymond's book "The Art of UNIX Programming"
> from 2003. He, along with contributors Thompson (inventor of UNIX),
> Kernigham (C and AWK), Korn
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 02:12:39PM +, J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote:
> I was recently looking at Raymond's book "The Art of UNIX Programming" from
> 2003. He, along with contributors Thompson (inventor of UNIX), Kernigham (C
> and AWK), Korn and others of that callibre, espouse creating
>
>
> On 25/02/2021 13:37, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
>> They run into the same interdependency.. but because they have
>> organically
>> grown their distro every day, those dependencies grew 1 at a time.
>>
>> For EPEL and other EL repos you have to jump multiple Fedora releases to
>> catch
On 25/02/2021 13:37, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
They run into the same interdependency.. but because they have organically
grown their distro every day, those dependencies grew 1 at a time.
For EPEL and other EL repos you have to jump multiple Fedora releases to
catch up. So in EL6 we were
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 08:18, Tony Schreiner
wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 7:31 AM Stephen John Smoogen
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 02:11, Simon Matter
> wrote:
> >
> > > >>
> > > >> Smooge, you know I feel your pain, but becoming a maintainer in EPEL
> > has
> > > >> a pretty
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 7:31 AM Stephen John Smoogen
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 02:11, Simon Matter
>> wrote:
>>
>> > >>
>> > >> Smooge, you know I feel your pain, but becoming a maintainer in
>> EPEL
>> has
>> > >> a pretty high bar (lots of new tools and methods to work with,
>>
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 7:31 AM Stephen John Smoogen
wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 02:11, Simon Matter wrote:
>
> > >>
> > >> Smooge, you know I feel your pain, but becoming a maintainer in EPEL
> has
> > >> a pretty high bar (lots of new tools and methods to work with, amongst
> > >> other
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 02:11, Simon Matter wrote:
> >>
> >> Smooge, you know I feel your pain, but becoming a maintainer in EPEL has
> >> a pretty high bar (lots of new tools and methods to work with, amongst
> >> other things) -- as it SHOULD, given that it's intended as an addon to
> >> EL and
>>
>> Smooge, you know I feel your pain, but becoming a maintainer in EPEL has
>> a pretty high bar (lots of new tools and methods to work with, amongst
>> other things) -- as it SHOULD, given that it's intended as an addon to
>> EL and needs to be very tightly controlled. It's just more
On 2/11/21 2:13 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 2/11/21 11:18 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
>> For the past couple years, my solution has been to use RHEL clones
>> (CentOS and Oracle Linux) on servers only (multi-user.target). I've
>> moved all my graphical installations (workstation, laptops, desktop
>>
On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 at 12:04, Simon Matter wrote:
> > On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 at 04:47, Simon Matter
> wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> > Smooge, you know I feel your pain, but becoming a maintainer in EPEL
> >> has
> >> > a pretty high bar (lots of new tools and methods to work with, amongst
> >> > other
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 at 04:47, Simon Matter wrote:
>
>> >
>> > Smooge, you know I feel your pain, but becoming a maintainer in EPEL
>> has
>> > a pretty high bar (lots of new tools and methods to work with, amongst
>> > other things) -- as it SHOULD, given that it's intended as an addon to
>> >
On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 at 04:47, Simon Matter wrote:
> >
> > Smooge, you know I feel your pain, but becoming a maintainer in EPEL has
> > a pretty high bar (lots of new tools and methods to work with, amongst
> > other things) -- as it SHOULD, given that it's intended as an addon to
> > EL and
>
> Smooge, you know I feel your pain, but becoming a maintainer in EPEL has
> a pretty high bar (lots of new tools and methods to work with, amongst
> other things) -- as it SHOULD, given that it's intended as an addon to
> EL and needs to be very tightly controlled. It's just more difficult to
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 13:39, Simon Matter wrote:
>
>> > On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 12:31, Simon Matter
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Le 11/02/2021 à 17:08, Simon Matter a écrit :
>> >> >> But, I'm a bit shocked to find EPEL 8 in such a bad shape of
>> >> brokenness
>> >> >> and incompleteness
>> >> >
>>
On 2/11/21 11:18 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
For the past couple years, my solution has been to use RHEL clones
(CentOS and Oracle Linux) on servers only (multi-user.target). I've
moved all my graphical installations (workstation, laptops, desktop
clients) to OpenSUSE Leap + KDE.
For a really
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 13:39, Simon Matter wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 12:31, Simon Matter
> wrote:
> >
> >> > Le 11/02/2021 à 17:08, Simon Matter a écrit :
> >> >> But, I'm a bit shocked to find EPEL 8 in such a bad shape of
> >> brokenness
> >> >> and incompleteness
> >> >
> >> > I've
On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 05:18:19PM +0100, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
> Le 11/02/2021 à 17:08, Simon Matter a écrit :
> > But, I'm a bit shocked to find EPEL 8 in such a bad shape of brokenness
> > and incompleteness
>
> I've come to the same conclusion.
>
> For the past couple years, my solution has
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 12:31, Simon Matter wrote:
>
>> > Le 11/02/2021 à 17:08, Simon Matter a écrit :
>> >> But, I'm a bit shocked to find EPEL 8 in such a bad shape of
>> brokenness
>> >> and incompleteness
>> >
>> > I've come to the same conclusion.
>> >
>> > For the past couple years, my
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 12:31, Simon Matter wrote:
> > Le 11/02/2021 à 17:08, Simon Matter a écrit :
> >> But, I'm a bit shocked to find EPEL 8 in such a bad shape of brokenness
> >> and incompleteness
> >
> > I've come to the same conclusion.
> >
> > For the past couple years, my solution has
On 11/02/21 11:54 pm, Simon Matter wrote:
# dnf group install "Xfce"
Last metadata expiration check: 0:05:02 ago on Thu 11 Feb 2021 11:45:57 CET.
No match for group package "NetworkManager-gnome"
No match for group package "thunar-archive-plugin"
Dependencies resolved.
> Le 11/02/2021 à 17:08, Simon Matter a écrit :
>> But, I'm a bit shocked to find EPEL 8 in such a bad shape of brokenness
>> and incompleteness
>
> I've come to the same conclusion.
>
> For the past couple years, my solution has been to use RHEL clones (CentOS
> and
> Oracle Linux) on servers
Le 11/02/2021 à 17:08, Simon Matter a écrit :
> But, I'm a bit shocked to find EPEL 8 in such a bad shape of brokenness
> and incompleteness
I've come to the same conclusion.
For the past couple years, my solution has been to use RHEL clones (CentOS and
Oracle Linux) on servers only
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:53:47 +0100
> Simon Matter wrote:
>
>> Are my mirrors broken or incomplete?
>
> I just tried dnf search kmail and it didn't find anything, so I guess that
> stuff is simply not there.
>
> I personally use the Mate desktop from
>
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:53:47 +0100
Simon Matter wrote:
> Are my mirrors broken or incomplete?
I just tried dnf search kmail and it didn't find anything, so I guess that
stuff is simply not there.
I personally use the Mate desktop from
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/stenstorp/MATE/ on
> On 11/02/21 10:24 pm, Simon Matter wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is anyone here running XFCE desktop on CentOS 8? If so, how did you
>> install it?
>>
>> I just tried to install it from EPEL and this is what I got:
>>
>> # dnf group install Xfce
>> Last metadata expiration check: 0:14:01 ago on Thu 11 Feb
I'm also on C7 for the same reason but wanted to see how XFCE is supported
on any EL8 clone for the future.
In the past I've even produced updated XFCE packages but I don't want to
do this in future. Too many other things to do.
Simon
> Sorry, I run gdm on Springdale 8 and Alma 8. I'm not
Hi,
> On 11/02/21 10:24 pm, Simon Matter wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is anyone here running XFCE desktop on CentOS 8? If so, how did you
>> install it?
>>
>> I just tried to install it from EPEL and this is what I got:
>>
>> # dnf group install Xfce
>> Last metadata expiration check: 0:14:01 ago on Thu
Sorry, I run gdm on Springdale 8 and Alma 8. I'm not doing much work on
any RHEL 8 clone ATM, I prefer the longer support of C7! :-(
Martin
On 11/02/2021 10:26, Simon Matter wrote:
Thanks Martin, so the "Xfce" group definition in EPEL is obviously broken.
Looks like XFCE doesn't get much
On 11/02/21 10:24 pm, Simon Matter wrote:
Hi,
Is anyone here running XFCE desktop on CentOS 8? If so, how did you
install it?
I just tried to install it from EPEL and this is what I got:
# dnf group install Xfce
Last metadata expiration check: 0:14:01 ago on Thu 11 Feb 2021 10:05:47 CET.
No
Thanks Martin, so the "Xfce" group definition in EPEL is obviously broken.
Looks like XFCE doesn't get much love in EL8. Do you or anyone else have
suggestions for a lightweight desktop environment to use on EL8 apart from
XFCE? One which is supported well by EPEL?
Thanks,
Simon
> Hi Simon,
>
>
Hi Simon,
I'm running XFCE under CentOS 8 as a VM under CentOS 7. I've just had a
quick look and this is what I see (see attachment). You'll need to view
it in a wide terminal.
HTH,
Martin
On 11/02/2021 09:24, Simon Matter wrote:
Hi,
Is anyone here running XFCE desktop on CentOS 8? If
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