Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-08 Thread James B. Byrne
On Tue, April 7, 2015 12:48, Les Mikesell wrote: Seems odd to mention Oracle's name at all in the link without pointing out that they have a product very similar to CentOS with the option to purchase support. For what it is worth. If RedHat (or someone else) offered support contracts for

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-07 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:32 AM, SilverTip257 silvertip...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Andrew Holway andrew.hol...@gmail.com wrote: In the context of this discussion I would appreciate any feedback the list might have on this article I wrote for my new company.

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-07 Thread SilverTip257
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Andrew Holway andrew.hol...@gmail.com wrote: In the context of this discussion I would appreciate any feedback the list might have on this article I wrote for my new company. http://otternetworks.de/tech/rhel-centos-brief/ Well put. For a non-technical

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-07 Thread Always Learning
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Andrew Holway andrew.hol...@gmail.com wrote: In the context of this discussion I would appreciate any feedback the list might have on this article I wrote for my new company. http://otternetworks.de/tech/rhel-centos-brief/ Surely a fair, balanced and

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-06 Thread Niki Kovacs
Le 04/04/2015 18:57, Bill Maltby (C4B) a écrit : Been UNIX (programming and user) since 1978, Linux since some early Slackware distributions, CentOS since 4.x. Will now be looking for something staying truer to the original UNIX concepts but full-featured and stable - may not be available, but

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-05 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Sat, April 4, 2015 10:12 pm, John R Pierce wrote: On 4/4/2015 8:10 PM, dE wrote: If you guys have that much of a problem with CentOS/RedHat collaboration, why not just move on things like Debian, arch, Suse etc... they just like to whine. Some did move to other systems (even away from

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-05 Thread Eero Volotinen
2015-04-04 4:01 GMT+03:00 Francis Gerund ranr...@gmail.com: Almost everyone here has probably read this by now. If so, move along, nothing new here. But just in case you haven't, please take the time to read this. Here it is, in their own words: what Redhat thinks of Centos, and it's

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-05 Thread Always Learning
On Sun, 2015-04-05 at 21:27 +0300, Eero Volotinen wrote: If this is a problem, just pick another RHEL clone like Scientific Linux ? I thought I read on this List the intention of Scientific to base its future distribution on Red Hat's Centos product. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. Je

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-05 Thread Always Learning
On Sat, 2015-04-04 at 20:12 -0700, John R Pierce wrote: On 4/4/2015 8:10 PM, dE wrote: If you guys have that much of a problem with CentOS/RedHat collaboration, why not just move on things like Debian, arch, Suse etc... they just like to whine. If the *whole* truth had been told to

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-04 Thread Alain Péan
Le 04/04/2015 03:01, Francis Gerund a écrit : Almost everyone here has probably read this by now. If so, move along, nothing new here. But just in case you haven't, please take the time to read this. Here it is, in their own words: what Redhat thinks of Centos, and it's plans for the future

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-04 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/04/15 02:40, Digimer wrote: On 03/04/15 09:39 PM, Always Learning wrote: On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 21:27 -0400, Digimer wrote: Being on CentOS, it is then trivial for these companies to switch the RHEL proper. Not if Centos and RHEL become too incompatible. Exactly why I believe it

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-04 Thread Nux!
technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Digimer li...@alteeve.ca To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Saturday, 4 April, 2015 02:27:53 Subject: Re: [CentOS] The future of centos On 03/04/15 09:01 PM, Francis Gerund wrote: Almost everyone here has probably read

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-04 Thread Always Learning
On Sat, 2015-04-04 at 11:10 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: Now if you look at the SIGs coming up and delivering content - it should again be pretty clear what sort of content we are facilitating here. I think it inevitable that Red Hat will introduce some closed source packages for the its

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-04 Thread Lamar Owen
On 04/04/2015 07:04 AM, Always Learning wrote: I think it inevitable that Red Hat will introduce some closed source packages for the its paying customers, ... For the sake of perspective, even in the old Red Hat Linux boxed sets in 1997 this was true. There was a whole CD of closed source

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-04 Thread Lamar Owen
On 04/04/2015 06:12 AM, Nux! wrote: 100% with Digimer here. I think there are no conspiracy theories. IMO RedHat does not want nor does it afford to mess up CentOS. All this energy should be put into contributing towards to the project, testing, helping out community. Lucian Agreed, and I

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-04 Thread John R Pierce
On 4/4/2015 8:10 PM, dE wrote: If you guys have that much of a problem with CentOS/RedHat collaboration, why not just move on things like Debian, arch, Suse etc... they just like to whine. -- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz ___

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-04 Thread dE
On 04/04/15 07:16, Always Learning wrote: On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 21:30 -0400, Digimer wrote: If you and others believe this to be the case, then form an organization and fork CentOS. Or, do as CentOS did in the beginning and recompile the RHEL binaries to be binary-compatible and create your

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-04 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Sat, April 4, 2015 11:46 am, Andrew Holway wrote: In the context of this discussion I would appreciate any feedback the list might have on this article I wrote for my new company. http://otternetworks.de/tech/rhel-centos-brief/ Once you asked for comments, here it goes: You are saying:

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-04 Thread Andrew Holway
In the context of this discussion I would appreciate any feedback the list might have on this article I wrote for my new company. http://otternetworks.de/tech/rhel-centos-brief/ I for one welcome our Redhat overlords. I think they will provide better governance which should give Centos better

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-04 Thread Bill Maltby (C4B)
On Sat, 2015-04-04 at 11:12 +0100, Nux! wrote: 100% with Digimer here. snip All this energy should be put into contributing towards to the project, testing, helping out community. Well, I used to agree. But when a bug report filed in December goes untouched entering April, which I don't

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-04 Thread James B. Byrne
On Fri, April 3, 2015 22:54, Always Learning wrote: On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 22:47 -0400, Digimer wrote: No, people are speculating about the future of CentOS. . . . The future is certain. To benefit from this free operating system, tolerate the RH control and desire to ensure Centos and

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-04 Thread Andrew Holway
Well, I used to agree. But when a bug report filed in December goes untouched entering April, which I don't recall happening prior to RH subsuming the project, it takes away impetus to ever file one again from lowly end users like me I think. It appears that you are the only one to have

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-04 Thread Bill Maltby (C4B)
On Sat, 2015-04-04 at 19:14 +0200, Andrew Holway wrote: Well, I used to agree. But when a bug report filed in December goes untouched entering April, which I don't recall happening prior to RH subsuming the project, it takes away impetus to ever file one again from lowly end users like

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-04 Thread Andrew Holway
You seem to be overlooking Debian. Ubuntu (and many others) at some point were clones of Debian. One can argue Ubuntu stepped up (or aside) a lot since. Still... This is very true. Maybe I should say yum based systems and apt based systems but I did not want to turn it into a technical

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-03 Thread Digimer
On 03/04/15 09:25 PM, Always Learning wrote: On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 20:01 -0500, Francis Gerund wrote: Here it is, in their own words: what Redhat thinks of Centos, and it's plans for the future of Centos. community.redhat.com/centos-faq It is what many of us feared. I never

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-03 Thread Digimer
On 03/04/15 09:01 PM, Francis Gerund wrote: Almost everyone here has probably read this by now. If so, move along, nothing new here. But just in case you haven't, please take the time to read this. Here it is, in their own words: what Redhat thinks of Centos, and it's plans for the future

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-03 Thread Always Learning
On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 21:30 -0400, Digimer wrote: If you and others believe this to be the case, then form an organization and fork CentOS. Or, do as CentOS did in the beginning and recompile the RHEL binaries to be binary-compatible and create your own OS. It is the open-source way, and

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-03 Thread Digimer
On 03/04/15 09:46 PM, Always Learning wrote: On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 21:30 -0400, Digimer wrote: If you and others believe this to be the case, then form an organization and fork CentOS. Or, do as CentOS did in the beginning and recompile the RHEL binaries to be binary-compatible and

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-03 Thread Always Learning
On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 20:01 -0500, Francis Gerund wrote: Here it is, in their own words: what Redhat thinks of Centos, and it's plans for the future of Centos. community.redhat.com/centos-faq It is what many of us feared. I never noticed any of the Centos bosses stating they are on a

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-03 Thread Digimer
On 03/04/15 09:39 PM, Always Learning wrote: On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 21:27 -0400, Digimer wrote: Being on CentOS, it is then trivial for these companies to switch the RHEL proper. Not if Centos and RHEL become too incompatible. Exactly why I believe it will not come to be. SIGs/variants

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-03 Thread Always Learning
On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 22:47 -0400, Digimer wrote: No, people are speculating about the future of CentOS. I agree with your point that if RH is to commercially benefit from Centos installations transferring to (or upgrading to) RH, then the base systems should not be radically different or even

Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

2015-04-03 Thread Always Learning
On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 21:27 -0400, Digimer wrote: Being on CentOS, it is then trivial for these companies to switch the RHEL proper. Not if Centos and RHEL become too incompatible. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. Je suis Charlie. ___