Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-25 Thread Ian Forde
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 22:47 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: Player isn't good for most of my usage because most of the time I don't want the console display at all - I just connect to the guests remotely with freenx/ssh/vnc when necessary. And I have Server 1.x setups that have run for

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-25 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 02/24/2011 10:47 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 2/24/11 8:56 PM, Scott Robbins wrote: On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 03:44:32PM +1300, Machin, Greg wrote: snip of good information Rather use ESXi 4.1 and get up and running quickly. If your hardware is not on the supported list there are other

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-25 Thread Scott Robbins
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:36:28PM -0800, David Brian Chait wrote: I think you need to download the VI3 rather than 4.1 to use 32 bit support, but it does work. I have it in production on some older hardware and it has not let me down yet. I believe David is correct. We had some old

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-25 Thread Les Mikesell
On 2/25/11 4:48 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: Anyway, my point was that the fabled library ABI stability of RHEL turned out not to work for VMware Server 2.0. But CentOS did come through with bug-for-bug compatibility as promised, causing the same crashing behavior after the same minor-rev

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-25 Thread Les Mikesell
On 2/25/11 7:33 AM, Scott Robbins wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:36:28PM -0800, David Brian Chait wrote: I think you need to download the VI3 rather than 4.1 to use 32 bit support, but it does work. I have it in production on some older hardware and it has not let me down yet. I

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-25 Thread Ross Walker
On Feb 25, 2011, at 5:48 AM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: On 02/24/2011 10:47 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 2/24/11 8:56 PM, Scott Robbins wrote: On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 03:44:32PM +1300, Machin, Greg wrote: snip of good information Rather use ESXi 4.1 and get up and running

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-25 Thread Ross Walker
On Feb 25, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/25/11 7:33 AM, Scott Robbins wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:36:28PM -0800, David Brian Chait wrote: I think you need to download the VI3 rather than 4.1 to use 32 bit support, but it does work. I have it in

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-25 Thread David Sommerseth
On 25/02/11 14:52, Les Mikesell wrote: On 2/25/11 4:48 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: Anyway, my point was that the fabled library ABI stability of RHEL turned out not to work for VMware Server 2.0. But CentOS did come through with bug-for-bug compatibility as promised, causing the same

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-25 Thread Les Mikesell
On 2/25/2011 8:36 AM, Ross Walker wrote: Also, VMware could have made their module load across kernel updates without recompile if they had set their kernel module up to support KABI (kernel ABI) tracking, but they didn't. That was the other strange thing. RHEL5 was never a 'supported'

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-25 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday, February 25, 2011 11:04:23 am Les Mikesell wrote: RHEL5 was never a 'supported' platform, so a stable module wasn't included. According to VMware's documentation, RHEL5 was and is a fully supported platform for VMware Server 2.0 (see page 26 of the current 'VMware Server User's

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-25 Thread David Brian Chait
VMware Workstation has no issues with the glibc update; VMware is just not properly supporting VMware Server, has nothing to do with Red Hat (Ubuntu is also listed as a supported OS, yet when you do the glibc update that matches the one that causes the issues on RHEL, the same thing

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-25 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:11 AM, David Brian Chait dch...@invenda.com wrote: VMware Workstation has no issues with the glibc update; VMware is just not properly supporting VMware Server, has nothing to do with Red Hat (Ubuntu is also listed as a supported OS, yet when you do the glibc update

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-25 Thread Les Mikesell
On 2/25/2011 11:24 AM, Akemi Yagi wrote: On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:11 AM, David Brian Chaitdch...@invenda.com wrote: VMware Workstation has no issues with the glibc update; VMware is just not properly supporting VMware Server, has nothing to do with Red Hat (Ubuntu is also listed as a

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-25 Thread John R Pierce
On 02/25/11 8:04 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: Windows-hosted version of Server 2.x didn't have those problems. I found all versions of VMware Server 2.0.x to be unstable under load on multiple different platforms and essentially unusable. That was when I switched those systems over to VBox

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-25 Thread Lars Hecking
You may want to try VMware-player if you, (like almost everyone else) preferred 1.x to 2.x. The later versions of player are more like 1.x, allowing you to install an operating system from ISO or whatever, and work quite well with 64 bit CentOS. If you want automation, forget player.

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-24 Thread Machin, Greg
Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Scott Robbins Sent: Friday, 25 February 2011 3:14 p.m. To: CentOS mailing list Subject: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version) On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:04:08PM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: Can

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-24 Thread Scott Robbins
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 03:44:32PM +1300, Machin, Greg wrote: snip of good information Rather use ESXi 4.1 and get up and running quickly. If your hardware is not on the supported list there are other lists of tested hardware where people have it running on Unsupported hardware. Player

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-24 Thread Les Mikesell
On 2/24/11 8:56 PM, Scott Robbins wrote: On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 03:44:32PM +1300, Machin, Greg wrote: snip of good information Rather use ESXi 4.1 and get up and running quickly. If your hardware is not on the supported list there are other lists of tested hardware where people have it

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-24 Thread Ben
On 25/02/2011 1:13 PM, Scott Robbins wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:04:08PM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: Can someone remind me why VMware server 2.x broke with a RHEL/CentOS 5.x glibc update? I switched back to 1.x which I like better anyway, but if the reason for putting up with oldness

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-24 Thread David Brian Chait
On 2/24/11 8:56 PM, Scott Robbins wrote: On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 03:44:32PM +1300, Machin, Greg wrote: snip of good information Rather use ESXi 4.1 and get up and running quickly. If your hardware is not on the supported list there are other lists of tested hardware where people have it

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-24 Thread John R Pierce
On 02/24/11 9:18 PM, Ben wrote: I have begun to switch all my hosts without hardware virtualization, so can't use ESXi, to VirtualBox. ESXi only needs hardware virtualization support for 64bit guest VMs. as long as you can live with 32bit VMs, you're good with older CPUs. I have it running

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-24 Thread Ben
On 25/02/2011 4:51 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 02/24/11 9:18 PM, Ben wrote: I have begun to switch all my hosts without hardware virtualization, so can't use ESXi, to VirtualBox. ESXi only needs hardware virtualization support for 64bit guest VMs. as long as you can live with 32bit VMs,

Re: [CentOS] VMware (was Re: current bind version)

2011-02-24 Thread David Brian Chait
Thanks, I did not know that. I could've swarn I had tested it on some old IBM x306. Will have to take a look into that. I still like that automation that I get with CentOS, puppet and VirtualBox. Ben I think you need to download the VI3 rather than 4.1 to use 32 bit support, but it does