Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-10 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Ned Slider wrote: That's just a by-product of the fact that it's never been a goal of upstream to make RHEL a self-hosting distribution. It's not a deliberate act designed to thwart rebuilders, be it Oracle or CentOS or anyone else. And even if it were, then it obviously failed given

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-10 Thread John R. Dennison
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:23:57AM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Diatribe about Serbia removed. Is this really the appropriate list for this type of political pontification? John -- The best argument against democracy is a five

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-10 Thread Always Learning
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 10:23 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Anyhow, that is my personal impression and opinion, sharpened by many years of double standards, blackmails, attacks, armed conflicts, corrupted politicians and common thieves masked as fighters for democracy, civil and

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-10 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
John R. Dennison wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:23:57AM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Diatribe about Serbia removed. Is this really the appropriate list for this type of political pontification? I was one mail away from being shunned as just another crackpot conspiracy theorist

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-10 Thread Christopher Chan
On Sunday, July 10, 2011 10:41 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: The actual point I wanted to make is not what western world has done to my country, that has been, is now (Libya for instance) and will be, and I am not moping about that. But looking from the other side of the presented truth (by

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-10 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Always Learning wrote: Having been very emotional distraught circa 1992-1994 when I repeatedly argued passionately with my work colleagues that western (i.e. British) aircraft attacking Serbian tanks and artillery would stop the massacre of thousands of civilians from all parts of Yugoslavia,

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-10 Thread Always Learning
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 16:41 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: For example, one picture from Bosnian war where you see Serbian soldiers in in front of the barb wire and hungry civilians behind it was presented to entire world as horrible genocide comparable to Nazi's. Truth: Serbian

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-10 Thread Always Learning
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 22:55 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: The fact that you can get your grubby hands on the source rpms Hey, his hands were clean :-) -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-10 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Christopher Chan wrote: On Sunday, July 10, 2011 10:41 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: The actual point I wanted to make is not what western world has done to my country, that has been, is now (Libya for instance) and will be, and I am not moping about that. But looking from the other side of

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-10 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Always Learning wrote: The war, hopefully the last in Europe, is over. We can not live in the past. Now is time for reconciliation and peace. Soon Serbia will be the 30th? member of the European Union. Remember the words to the EU anthem about brothers (Ode to Joy from Ludwig van Beethoven's

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-10 Thread Always Learning
Christopher Chan wrote: Redhat has gone BEYOND the GPL. The GPL only requires that you make the source and build scripts available to those that you distribute to. Nor are you required to make the source/build scripts available for free. The fact that you can get your grubby hands

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-10 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Always Learning wrote: 3. Therefore, contrary to your assertion Redhat does not need to and has never tried to undermine any would be enemy/competitor. Think about it. Red Hat must always consider how to undermine any would be enemy/competitor because, ultimately, Red Hat's own survival

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-10 Thread Always Learning
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 17:29 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Hey, you are on my side. We are Europeans so we should be bothers AND we both like Centos :-) -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-10 Thread Christopher Chan
On Sunday, July 10, 2011 11:31 PM, Always Learning wrote: On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 17:29 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Hey, you are on my side. We are Europeans so we should be bothers AND we both like Centos :-) OH yes, you lot should be BOTHERS. :-D

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-10 Thread Christopher Chan
On Sunday, July 10, 2011 11:23 PM, Always Learning wrote: Christopher Chan wrote: Redhat has gone BEYOND the GPL. The GPL only requires that you make the source and build scripts available to those that you distribute to. Nor are you required to make the source/build scripts available for

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-09 Thread Ned Slider
On 09/07/11 19:09, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Digimer wrote: I think there is a business case to be made for CentOS, from the point of view of Red Hat. My experience has been that a lot of people/companies start out on CentOS. After a while, those that succeed and do well eventually want to

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-09 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Ned Slider wrote: On 09/07/11 19:09, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Digimer wrote: I think there is a business case to be made for CentOS, from the point of view of Red Hat. My experience has been that a lot of people/companies start out on CentOS. After a while, those that succeed and do well

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-09 Thread Ned Slider
On 09/07/11 19:35, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Ned Slider wrote: On 09/07/11 19:09, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: My view is that problem arose when Oracle came into picture. They are aggressively steeling Red Hat customers using Rad Hat EL source. That is very possibly why Red Hat made

Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor

2011-07-09 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote: On 07/09/2011 01:32 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: yes, we all clearly take that on board - I hope the changes we are bringing in helps clear that, and prevent this sort of a situation. But there are still lots of places for