On Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:28 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
That conversation would make sense if there were any spam blockers that
cared about the collateral damage to unrelated hosts that happen to be
So, in your experience, there aren't *any*, they all block an entire range?
If so, why is
On Thursday, August 11, 2011 05:31:21 PM Kai Schaetzl wrote:
*You* confused things. You mixed ISPs and hosting. You can't.
An Internet Service Provider is an Internet Service Provider regardless of the
type, bandwidth, or technology of the pipe provided, regardless of the number
of IP
On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 13:41 -0400, Lamar Owen wrote:
On Thursday, August 11, 2011 05:31:21 PM Kai Schaetzl wrote:
*You* confused things. You mixed ISPs and hosting. You can't.
An Internet Service Provider is an Internet Service Provider regardless of
the type, bandwidth, or technology of
On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 19:13 -0700, Craig White wrote:
considering that it began as a rant which was inappropriately targeted,
I would say that it was out of hand when it began.
Lets not prolong it then ;-)
--
With best regards,
Paul.
England,
EU.
Paul,
Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 17:10 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
listadmin,
Can you PLEASE, PLEASE find *any* other blacklist than manitu? This
asshole's method was ok a dozen years ago; these days, with hosting sites
hosting tens or hundreds of thousands of
Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 21:36 -0500, John R. Dennison wrote:
Waste of time and resources. Learn how to properly handle email and
none of this nonsense is necessary.
Properly handling emails means, to me, not being too reliant on others
whose faults and omissions could
Hi Mark,
You don't seem to understand the issue. My hosting provider has
literally hundreds of thousands of domains. The email gets funneled for
all, I assume, except those paying for co-location, through their
heavy-duty mailhost. manitu sees spam coming from that mailhost, and
blocks
Hi Mark,
Why not run your own mail server ? I use Exim (a Sendmail replacement)
Because I'm not going to pay for colocation, or whatever. This is my
personal domain, etc, and I'm paying about $6US for it a month. I'm not
running a business, and so don't want to pay $$$ to Verizon for a
Always Learning wrote:
Hi Mark,
You don't seem to understand the issue. My hosting provider has
literally hundreds of thousands of domains. The email gets funneled for
all, I assume, except those paying for co-location, through their
heavy-duty mailhost. manitu sees spam coming from that
we block with manitu = nixspam as our primary RBL (followed by Spamhaus).
Results are excellent. Their blocking is very reasonable. It's also
possible to ask for inclusion in the whitelist. Obviously your great ISP
Roadrunner isn't interested in inclusion or is sending out so many spam
that
On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 09:09 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
The real problem is manitou.net, and their algorythm. 15 years ago, it
might have been reasonable to track mailhosts, and block all mail coming
from that host. For the last 10 years, at least, it's *wrong*. Even the
best of 'Net
On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 06:52 +0100, Keith Roberts wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011, Always Learning wrote:
Why not run your own mail server ? I use Exim (a Sendmail replacement)
on several servers. I refuse incoming mails where the sender's HELO /
EHLO does not match the sender's IP host name,
Kai Schaetzl wrote:
we block with manitu = nixspam as our primary RBL (followed by Spamhaus).
Results are excellent. Their blocking is very reasonable. It's also
possible to ask for inclusion in the whitelist. Obviously your great ISP
Roadrunner isn't interested in inclusion or is sending out
On 8/11/2011 8:09 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Obviously I don't know your computer situation. It seems your present
'service' is not always reliable, so is there anything we can do to help
you devise an alternative plan ?
No, you still don't understand.
How much sympathy do you expect for
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 09:52:47AM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
On 8/11/2011 8:09 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
So move them to gmail. Price is right. End of problem.
If you don't
like their browser interface, use pop/imap and authenticated smtp.
Did gmail ever fix their feature that
Les Mikesell wrote:
On 8/11/2011 8:09 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
snip
1. I'm not going to join this list, or any other, from multiple email
accounts
So move them to gmail. Price is right. End of problem. If you don't
No. Not ever. I have no intention of using a service that will have
On 8/11/2011 9:58 AM, Scott Robbins wrote:
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 09:52:47AM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
On 8/11/2011 8:09 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
So move them to gmail. Price is right. End of problem.
If you don't
like their browser interface, use pop/imap and authenticated smtp.
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:02 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
On 8/11/2011 8:09 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
snip
1. I'm not going to join this list, or any other, from multiple email
accounts
So move them to gmail. Price is right. End of problem. If you don't
No. Not
On 8/11/2011 10:02 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
So move them to gmail. Price is right. End of problem. If you don't
No. Not ever. I have no intention of using a service that will have
*years*, at least, of backups of all my mail, including stuff that was
hypothetically d/l and *deleted*.
On Aug 11, 2011, at 4:51 AM, mark wrote:
Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 21:36 -0500, John R. Dennison wrote:
Waste of time and resources. Learn how to properly handle email and
none of this nonsense is necessary.
Properly handling emails means, to me, not being too reliant
Craig White wrote:
On Aug 11, 2011, at 4:51 AM, mark wrote:
Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 21:36 -0500, John R. Dennison wrote:
Waste of time and resources. Learn how to properly handle email and
none of this nonsense is necessary.
Properly handling emails means, to me, not
Sorry, mouse ran away there with the last post with no comments.
Craig White wrote:
On Aug 11, 2011, at 4:51 AM, mark wrote:
Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 21:36 -0500, John R. Dennison wrote:
snip
You don't seem to understand the issue. My hosting provider has
literally
On 08/11/2011 10:56 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Craig White wrote:
On Aug 11, 2011, at 4:51 AM, mark wrote:
Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 21:36 -0500, John R. Dennison wrote:
snip
You don't seem to understand the issue. My hosting provider has
literally hundreds of thousands
Josh Miller wrote:
On 08/11/2011 10:56 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Craig White wrote:
On Aug 11, 2011, at 4:51 AM, mark wrote:
Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 21:36 -0500, John R. Dennison wrote:
snip
You don't seem to understand the issue. My hosting provider has
literally
On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 13:56 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Craig White wrote:
If an RBL has designated a particular SMTP server or range of SMTP servers
as a source for spam then the solution lies with those that own the SMTP
servers to satisfy the RBL and get the blocks removed.
On 08/11/2011 11:12 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Josh Miller wrote:
In fact, that is one of the single most effective mechanisms used to
combat spam, in my experience and will cut down the amount accepted at
the gateway(s) by up to 95%.
I'm not sure who you're answering or agreeing with, but
Always Learning wrote:
On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 13:56 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Craig White wrote:
And that's *EXACTLY* what I'm saying is the wrong thing to do. Dunno
where you live, but go ahead, for whoever provides 'Net access to your
home: call them up, or email them, and tell them to
On Aug 11, 2011, at 10:56 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Sorry, mouse ran away there with the last post with no comments.
Craig White wrote:
On Aug 11, 2011, at 4:51 AM, mark wrote:
Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 21:36 -0500, John R. Dennison wrote:
snip
You don't seem to
m.r...@5-cent.us wrote on Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:12:03 -0400:
I'm not sure who you're answering or agreeing with, but my point is still
that 90% of everybody blocked has no clue whatever about what to do about
it, and esp. the people with infected systems. A standard channel *to* an
ISP for this
m.r...@5-cent.us wrote on Thu, 11 Aug 2011 09:46:22 -0400:
I'm sorry, nobody seems to get what I've been saying: I haven't been on
roadrunner for two years. I'm sending this email via bluehost, my current
hosting provider.
Ok, so you use Bluehost and one of their mailservers got on the list
On 8/11/2011 1:16 PM, Always Learning wrote:
Let me know when they get back to you. I'll look for your email sometime
around the time when you move and change providers.
You can not change the world on your own, even a little bit, without
some help. Help from mass 'Internet connections' ISP
Josh Miller wrote:
On 08/11/2011 11:12 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Josh Miller wrote:
In fact, that is one of the single most effective mechanisms used to
combat spam, in my experience and will cut down the amount accepted at
the gateway(s) by up to 95%.
I'm not sure who you're answering or
Kai Schaetzl wrote:
m.r...@5-cent.us wrote on Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:12:03 -0400:
I'm not sure who you're answering or agreeing with, but my point is
still that 90% of everybody blocked has no clue whatever about what
to do about it, and esp. the people with infected systems. A standard
channel
Kai Schaetzl wrote:
m.r...@5-cent.us wrote on Thu, 11 Aug 2011 09:46:22 -0400:
I'm sorry, nobody seems to get what I've been saying: I haven't been on
roadrunner for two years. I'm sending this email via bluehost, my
current
hosting provider.
Ok, so you use Bluehost and one of their
On 8/11/2011 1:35 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Be pragmatic. Accept partial defeat. Get an alternative email
arrangement and you may become more happier.
NO. I WILL *NOT* allow the goddamned spammers to block me from the 'Net,
and I'm *not* willing to have them cost me my email, and go to
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 08:53:02PM +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
Is it really the first time that you hear about the concept of RBLs? They
have been around for years and have proven to be one of the most effective
ways to combat spam, still.
I'll love to see how they handle IPv6 once machines
m.r...@5-cent.us wrote on Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:07:49 -0400:
No. I've been blocked for a period ranging from hours to several days, and
kept getting myself unbanned, a number of times in the last couple of
years.
I see. So you got what you paid for.
Kai
m.r...@5-cent.us wrote on Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:03:45 -0400:
I'm sorry if I've confused you.
*You* confused things. You mixed ISPs and hosting. You can't. You were
talking largely about ISPs and how their customers get blocked from
sending mail directly and how they don't have a clue. I was
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011, Les Mikesell wrote:
*snip*
Many/most ISP's provide an upstream SMTP relay as part of
the service. If they do, configure it as your smart_host
and it will fix the problem. If they don't, find some
other relay service.
Is this any good?
On 8/11/2011 4:56 PM, Keith Roberts wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011, Les Mikesell wrote:
*snip*
Many/most ISP's provide an upstream SMTP relay as part of
the service. If they do, configure it as your smart_host
and it will fix the problem. If they don't, find some
other relay service.
Is this
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 17:10 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
listadmin,
Can you PLEASE, PLEASE find *any* other blacklist than manitu? This
asshole's method was ok a dozen years ago; these days, with hosting sites
hosting tens or hundreds of thousands of domains, with too many running
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 03:08:46AM +0100, Always Learning wrote:
Why not run your own mail server ? I use Exim (a Sendmail replacement)
on several servers. I refuse incoming mails where the sender's HELO /
EHLO does not match the sender's IP host name, because that - for me -
eliminates 90%
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 21:36 -0500, John R. Dennison wrote:
Waste of time and resources. Learn how to properly handle email and
none of this nonsense is necessary.
Properly handling emails means, to me, not being too reliant on others
whose faults and omissions could impair your ability to
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011, Always Learning wrote:
snip
Why not run your own mail server ? I use Exim (a Sendmail replacement)
on several servers. I refuse incoming mails where the sender's HELO /
EHLO does not match the sender's IP host name, because that - for me -
eliminates 90% or more of spam
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