[CentOS-announce] CESA-2009:0333-01: Moderate CentOS 2 i386 libpng security update

2009-03-11 Thread John Newbigin
The following errata for CentOS-2 have been built and uploaded to the
centos mirror:

RHSA-2009:0333-01 Moderate: libpng security update

Files available:
libpng-1.0.14-12.i386.rpm
libpng-devel-1.0.14-12.i386.rpm

More details are available from the RedHat web site at
https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rh21as-errata.html

The easy way to make sure you are up to date with all the latest patches
is to run:
# yum update

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[CentOS-announce] CESA-2009:0325-01: Critical CentOS 2 i386 seamonkey security update

2009-03-11 Thread John Newbigin
The following errata for CentOS-2 have been built and uploaded to the
centos mirror:

RHSA-2009:0325-01 Critical: seamonkey security update

Files available:
seamonkey-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-chat-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-devel-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-dom-inspector-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-js-debugger-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-mail-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-nspr-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-nspr-devel-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-nss-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-nss-devel-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm

More details are available from the RedHat web site at
https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rh21as-errata.html

The easy way to make sure you are up to date with all the latest patches
is to run:
# yum update

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[CentOS-es] keyboard

2009-03-11 Thread Antonio Hernandez Benitez
Puedes probar con system-config-keyboard



 Hola Chicos que tal espero que se encuentren bien.

 miren mi consulta es pequeña, pero no he dado con ella

 tengo un server que por error lo dejaron configurado con el teclado en
 ingles, y no encuentro como pasarlo a español, debo decir que es un
 centos 5, no tiene Xorg, pues esta en modo consola solamente...asi que
 no me vale la config..:S aver si me echan un cable con ellos porfavor..

 desde ya muchas gracias.




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[CentOS-es] Problemas con PHP 5.2 y webmail

2009-03-11 Thread luisito
Hola listeros

Tengo un problema con las aplicaciones web con las cuales manejo el server.

Tengo Drupal, PostfixAdmin. PhpMyAdmin, Roundcube(sin instalar),

Todas las aplicacinoes me funcionan bien con mi version 5.1.6 de PHP, 
todas menos el Roundcube el cual me pide al version 5.2

La bajo e instalalo de los repo de remi y cuando la bajo todo me deja de 
funcionar porque la version 5.2 de los repo de remi no es compatible con 
las librerias para mbstring y mysql de los rpm originales del Centos 
5.2, ademas de que los repo de remi no traen estas librerias.

Vuelvo a mi version original de PHP la 5.1.6 y todo trabaja de 
maravillas exepto el Roundcube.

Quiero instalar el Roundcube como webmail no quiero tener que morir en 
la ardilla, por favor alguno tiene alguna solucion o ha pasado por lo 
mismo???

Puedo obligar al Roundcube a instalarse con mi version 5.1.6 de PHP o 
tienen el enlace de descarga de una version de Roundcube que no utilize 
el PHP 5.2 y que sea estable, yo estoy intentando instalar la version 
0.2-stable.

Desde ya gracias

salu2

luisito

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Re: [CentOS-es] Teclado en español

2009-03-11 Thread César Sepúlveda B
El Lunes, 9 de Marzo de 2009 22:47, Francisco Javier Aravena Jimenez escribió:
 Hola Chicos que tal espero que se encuentren bien.

 miren mi consulta es pequeña, pero no he dado con ella

 tengo un server que por error lo dejaron configurado con el teclado en
 ingles, y no encuentro como pasarlo a español, debo decir que es un
 centos 5, no tiene Xorg, pues esta en modo consola solamente...asi que
 no me vale la config..:S aver si me echan un cable con ellos porfavor..

 desde ya muchas gracias.

Yo uso el teclado en español latinoamericano, revisa este archivo:
cat /etc/sysconfig/keyboard
KEYBOARDTYPE=pc
KEYTABLE=la-latin1

Saludos!.


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Re: [CentOS-es] Problemas con PHP 5.2 y webmail

2009-03-11 Thread luisito

César Sepúlveda B escribió:

El Miércoles, 11 de Marzo de 2009 12:09, luisito escribió:
  

Hola listeros

Tengo un problema con las aplicaciones web con las cuales manejo el server.

Tengo Drupal, PostfixAdmin. PhpMyAdmin, Roundcube(sin instalar),

Todas las aplicacinoes me funcionan bien con mi version 5.1.6 de PHP,
todas menos el Roundcube el cual me pide al version 5.2

La bajo e instalalo de los repo de remi y cuando la bajo todo me deja de
funcionar porque la version 5.2 de los repo de remi no es compatible con
las librerias para mbstring y mysql de los rpm originales del Centos
5.2, ademas de que los repo de remi no traen estas librerias.


???

php-common-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
php-cli-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
php-mysql-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
php-gd-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
php-mbstring-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
php-pdo-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
php-mcrypt-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
php-xml-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
php-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
mysqlclient15-5.0.67-1.el5.remi
mysql-5.1.32-1.el5.remi
mysql-libs-5.1.32-1.el5.remi
mysql-server-5.1.32-1.el5.remi
  

Gracias César

te explico

Lo primero que hice fui fijarme en todo lo referente a php que tenia 
instalado:


[r...@services]# rpm -qa php*
[r...@services]#php-cli-5.1.6-20.el5
 php-gd-5.1.6-20.el5
 php-common-5.1.6-20.el5
 php-mysql-5.1.6-20.el5
 php-5.1.6-20.el5
 php-mbstring-5.1.6-20.el5
 php-pdo-5.1.6-20.el5

Esto para saber que tenia que montar despues, yum remove php* y entonces 
instalo lo siguiente:


[r...@services RPMS]# rpm -ivh php-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm  
php-cli-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm  php-common-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm


cuando instalo me da lo siguiente:

warning: php-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm: Header V4 DSA signature: 
NOKEY, key ID
Preparing...
### [100%]

  1:php-common   ### [ 33%]
  2:php-cli
### [ 67%]
  3:php
### [100%]


Despues intento instalar:

[r...@services RPMS]# rpm -ivh php-gd-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm 
php-mysql-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm 
php-mbstring-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm php-pdo-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm


y me da lo siguiente

warning: php-gd-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm: Header V4 DSA signature: 
NOKEY, key ID 00f97f56

error: Failed dependencies:
   libXpm.so.4()(64bit) is needed by php-gd-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64
   libt1.so.5()(64bit) is needed by php-gd-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64
   libmysqlclient.so.16()(64bit) is needed by 
php-mysql-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64
   libmysqlclient.so.16(libmysqlclient_16)(64bit) is needed by 
php-mysql-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64

   libsqlite.so.0()(64bit) is needed by php-pdo-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64

Soy nuevo en linux pero por este error asumo que las dependencias que 
falta por instalr son referente a la conexion de php con mysql y que por 
eso me pusiste en la lista de paquetes a instalar del remi el mysql de 
este???


Por favor disculpen la ignorancia, si no es asi, rectifiquenmelo

Ahora mi miedo es el siguiente, en mi version de mysql:  
mysql-5.0.45-7.el5, tengo ya las bases de datos del Drupal, del 
PostfixAdmin, etc.


Entonces, si tengo que instalar el MySql del remi para que las 
dependencias que fallan a la hora de instalar los paquetes de PHP por 
los cuales da el error de arriba se solucionen, me es vital no perder 
las bases de datos ni sus tablas, o sea conservar mi contenido de mysql 
tal cual esta ya que si, no es peor el remedio que la enfermedad.


Por favor ayudemne.

salu2

luisito

















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Re: [CentOS-es] Problemas con PHP 5.2 y webmail

2009-03-11 Thread César Sepúlveda B
El Miércoles, 11 de Marzo de 2009 13:34, luisito escribió:
 César Sepúlveda B escribió:
  El Miércoles, 11 de Marzo de 2009 12:09, luisito escribió:
  Hola listeros
 
  Tengo un problema con las aplicaciones web con las cuales manejo el
  server.
 
  Tengo Drupal, PostfixAdmin. PhpMyAdmin, Roundcube(sin instalar),
 
  Todas las aplicacinoes me funcionan bien con mi version 5.1.6 de PHP,
  todas menos el Roundcube el cual me pide al version 5.2
 
  La bajo e instalalo de los repo de remi y cuando la bajo todo me deja de
  funcionar porque la version 5.2 de los repo de remi no es compatible con
  las librerias para mbstring y mysql de los rpm originales del Centos
  5.2, ademas de que los repo de remi no traen estas librerias.
 
  ???
 
  php-common-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
  php-cli-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
  php-mysql-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
  php-gd-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
  php-mbstring-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
  php-pdo-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
  php-mcrypt-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
  php-xml-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
  php-5.2.9-1.el5.remi
  mysqlclient15-5.0.67-1.el5.remi
  mysql-5.1.32-1.el5.remi
  mysql-libs-5.1.32-1.el5.remi
  mysql-server-5.1.32-1.el5.remi

 Gracias César

 te explico

 Lo primero que hice fui fijarme en todo lo referente a php que tenia
 instalado:

 [r...@services]# rpm -qa php*
 [r...@services]#php-cli-5.1.6-20.el5
   php-gd-5.1.6-20.el5
   php-common-5.1.6-20.el5
   php-mysql-5.1.6-20.el5
   php-5.1.6-20.el5
   php-mbstring-5.1.6-20.el5
   php-pdo-5.1.6-20.el5

 Esto para saber que tenia que montar despues, yum remove php* y entonces
 instalo lo siguiente:

 [r...@services RPMS]# rpm -ivh php-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm
 php-cli-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm  php-common-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm

 cuando instalo me da lo siguiente:

 warning: php-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm: Header V4 DSA signature:
 NOKEY, key ID
 Preparing...
 ### [100%]
1:php-common   ### [
 33%] 2:php-cli
 ### [ 67%]
3:php
 ### [100%]

 Despues intento instalar:

 [r...@services RPMS]# rpm -ivh php-gd-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm
 php-mysql-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm
 php-mbstring-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm
 php-pdo-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm

 y me da lo siguiente

 warning: php-gd-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64.rpm: Header V4 DSA signature:
 NOKEY, key ID 00f97f56
 error: Failed dependencies:
 libXpm.so.4()(64bit) is needed by php-gd-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64
 libt1.so.5()(64bit) is needed by php-gd-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64
 libmysqlclient.so.16()(64bit) is needed by
 php-mysql-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64
 libmysqlclient.so.16(libmysqlclient_16)(64bit) is needed by
 php-mysql-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64
 libsqlite.so.0()(64bit) is needed by
 php-pdo-5.2.8-1.el5.remi.x86_64

 Soy nuevo en linux pero por este error asumo que las dependencias que
 falta por instalr son referente a la conexion de php con mysql y que por
 eso me pusiste en la lista de paquetes a instalar del remi el mysql de
 este???

 Por favor disculpen la ignorancia, si no es asi, rectifiquenmelo

 Ahora mi miedo es el siguiente, en mi version de mysql:
 mysql-5.0.45-7.el5, tengo ya las bases de datos del Drupal, del
 PostfixAdmin, etc.

 Entonces, si tengo que instalar el MySql del remi para que las
 dependencias que fallan a la hora de instalar los paquetes de PHP por
 los cuales da el error de arriba se solucionen, me es vital no perder
 las bases de datos ni sus tablas, o sea conservar mi contenido de mysql
 tal cual esta ya que si, no es peor el remedio que la enfermedad.

 Por favor ayudemne.

Sigue estos pasos:
instalar los dos repos:
rpm -Uhv 
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel/5/i386/epel-release-5-2.noarch.rpm

rpm -Uhv 
http://rpms.famillecollet.com/el5.i386/remi-release-5-6.el5.remi.noarch.rpm

activar el repo de remi:
en /etc/yum.repos.d/remi.repo buscas el primer enabled=0 y lo cambias 
por enabled=1

luego:
yum update -y  yum install php php-mbstring php-mysql php-mcrypt -y


 salu2

 luisito

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Re: [CentOS-es] Problemas con PHP 5.2 y webmail

2009-03-11 Thread luisito

 Sigue estos pasos:
 instalar los dos repos:
 rpm -Uhv 
 http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel/5/i386/epel-release-5-2.noarch.rpm

 rpm -Uhv 
 http://rpms.famillecollet.com/el5.i386/remi-release-5-6.el5.remi.noarch.rpm

 activar el repo de remi:
 en /etc/yum.repos.d/remi.repo buscas el primer enabled=0 y lo cambias 
 por enabled=1

 luego:
 yum update -y  yum install php php-mbstring php-mysql php-mcrypt -y

   
De nuevo muchas gracias Cesar, agradezco mucho tu atencion.

Pasa que existe un gran problema, yo no tengo internet, sino que tengo 
los repo de remi local porque un socio me los bajo.

Por eso veia como variante salvar las bases de mysql y reinstalar con el 
del remi en caso de que el error fuera por el mysql, ya que yo no puedo 
contar con los repo de internet, gran problema, pero por desgracia asi es.

Por favor aclarame si el error de las dependencias es por causa del 
mysql o por que en el remi no estan estas dependencias, ya que las 
estaba buscando y no las encontre, al menos en el que tengo descagardo.

salu2

luisito
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[CentOS-es] reemplazar comando en centos

2009-03-11 Thread Antonio Gálvez Horna
Hola nuevamente, uso centos 5.2 y en un manual tengo unos comandos que
necesito reemplazar la sintaxis para comandos YUM

 

Cómo podría reemplazar los comandos:

 

# emerge --pretend postfix

 

# USE=sasl -postgres -mysql -ipv6 emerge postfix

 

# emerge unmerge ssmtp

 

Saludos,

 

Antonio

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Re: [CentOS-es] reemplazar comando en centos

2009-03-11 Thread Juan Pablo Botero
Yo entiendo reemplaza, como quitar y poner otros.

Por otro lado, le puedes dar otro nombre, con el comando alias

2009/3/11 Antonio Gálvez Horna antonio.gal...@speedy.com.pe

  Hola nuevamente, uso centos 5.2 y en un manual tengo unos comandos que
 necesito reemplazar la sintaxis para comandos YUM



 Cómo podría reemplazar los comandos:



 # emerge --pretend postfix



 # USE=sasl -postgres -mysql -ipv6 emerge postfix



 # emerge unmerge ssmtp



 Saludos,



 Antonio


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Re: [CentOS-es] reemplazar comando en centos

2009-03-11 Thread Nino Bravo


hola de pronto te sirva esto:


/root/.bash_profile

al final de la linea coloca esto:

alias vi=vim

 

alias comando_que_quiero_enmascarar_o_hacerle_un_alias=comando_real

 

grabas el cambio, sales de la seción y vuelves a entrar (si eres el root) y 
listo.

 

Saludos









 



 



Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:42:44 -0500
From: juanpabloboterolo...@gmail.com
To: centos-es@centos.org
Subject: Re: [CentOS-es] reemplazar comando en centos

Yo entiendo reemplaza, como quitar y poner otros.

Por otro lado, le puedes dar otro nombre, con el comando alias


2009/3/11 Antonio Gálvez Horna antonio.gal...@speedy.com.pe




Hola nuevamente, uso centos 5.2 y en un manual tengo unos comandos que necesito 
reemplazar la sintaxis para comandos YUM

 

Cómo podría reemplazar los comandos:

 

# emerge --pretend postfix

 

# USE=sasl -postgres -mysql -ipv6 emerge postfix

 

# emerge unmerge ssmtp

 

Saludos,

 

Antonio


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Re: [CentOS-es] reemplazar comando en centos

2009-03-11 Thread Walter


 Yo entiendo reemplaza, como quitar y poner otros.

 Por otro lado, le puedes dar otro nombre, con el comando alias

 2009/3/11 Antonio Gálvez Horna antonio.gal...@speedy.com.pe

  Hola nuevamente, uso centos 5.2 y en un manual tengo unos comandos que
 necesito reemplazar la sintaxis para comandos YUM



 Cómo podría reemplazar los comandos:



 # emerge --pretend postfix



 # USE=sasl -postgres -mysql -ipv6 emerge postfix



 # emerge unmerge ssmtp



 Saludos,



 Antonio


Hola:
Lo que estas queriendo hacer es compilar desde las fuentes y 
pasarle 
opciones de compilacion y dependencias
con emerge y la variable USE . Para eso en Centos tendrias que bajar los rpm 
fuentes o los tar.gz .
Saludos.-
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.2 i m having problem with gnome

2009-03-11 Thread Tariq Ismail Dalvi
I have 2Gbs DDR 2 Ram and swap part of appro 1957 Mbs as I feel i
should have Swap Partition of 4 Gbs for a 2 Gbs Ram yes I am hosting
about 12 sites and domains
on Name-based Virtual Hosts, I got it I have to add some more Gbs of Ram.

one more thing on this system there are lost of cron jobs active every
hour wstatas
every 6 hours backup of piblic_html on DVD

[r...@dalvis ~]# cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:  2010492 kB
MemFree: 94284 kB
Buffers:308360 kB
Cached: 983024 kB
SwapCached:  0 kB
Active: 583016 kB
Inactive:   863680 kB
HighTotal: 1113920 kB
HighFree:11208 kB
LowTotal:   896572 kB
LowFree: 83076 kB
SwapTotal: 2031608 kB
SwapFree:  2031608 kB
Dirty: 176 kB
Writeback:   0 kB
AnonPages:  155316 kB
Mapped:  54728 kB
Slab:   457696 kB
PageTables:   4368 kB
NFS_Unstable:0 kB
Bounce:  0 kB
CommitLimit:   3036852 kB
Committed_AS:   715780 kB
VmallocTotal:   114680 kB
VmallocUsed:  4168 kB
VmallocChunk:   108772 kB
HugePages_Total: 0
HugePages_Free:  0
HugePages_Rsvd:  0
Hugepagesize: 4096 kB

Best regards
Tariq Dalvi

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Brian Becker
emailli...@beckerspace.com wrote:


 On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Tariq Ismail Dalvi tariqda...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello to all,

 I am having a web server mail server Mysql and name server
 on single machine my os is CentOs 5.2 and desktop
 gnome everything was working fine now couple of days
 back I was using text editor, Fire Fox and GIMP at a time
 and my mouse started to act funny as well as very slow
 even my keyboard curser moves very slow I feel it is
 some sort of memory problem but I have noticed the
 servers are accessible from outside of network are
 fine except that I am only facing problem while using desk top.

 Secondly if I reboot the system it start to work fine
 for few hours.

 I shall highly appreciate if someone can give me a
 hint or how to fix it.

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 Just how much memory do you have in your system?  Are you actually hosting
 anything on your servers?  When your system is experiencing the problem run
 the following and send it over

 cat /proc/meminfo

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[CentOS] Video Editing

2009-03-11 Thread Bo Lynch
This is kind of a new area for me so I thought I would get the lists opinion.
I have a avi video that I need to edit. The main thing that I need to
accomplish is to maybe cut the top 1/3 of the frame and blur out a few
faces. What would you guys recommend for an app that would accomplish
this? Thanks in advance for any info.

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Re: [CentOS] Video Editing

2009-03-11 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Bo Lynch bly...@ameliaschools.com wrote:
 This is kind of a new area for me so I thought I would get the lists opinion.
 I have a avi video that I need to edit. The main thing that I need to
 accomplish is to maybe cut the top 1/3 of the frame and blur out a few
 faces. What would you guys recommend for an app that would accomplish
 this? Thanks in advance for any info.

For the cut part of the task, I will suggest avidemux (from ATrpms).
 The blur part will require more powerful editing software such as
cinelerra (from RPMforge).

Akemi
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.2 live cd won't boot

2009-03-11 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Michael Peterson wrote on Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:44:43 -0500:

 What do you mean by this?
 Is this because you changed the original post and you thought I was 
 replying to the other part of the original post.

Sorry? I did not change anything. You replied to *my* posting with 
questions to the original poster and with *nothing* that referred to my 
posting. Do you do the same in face-to-face discussion? Person A has a 
problem and asks something in a round, Person B replies and you then ask 
person B for further information about the problem that person A has? 
Really? Won't you rather address person A directly?

 Are you saying everyone should create a new thread path from the 
 original post each time

not each time, it depends on the natural flow of discussion. I think this 
should be obvious.

 instead of keeping a thread going to get a 
 solution solved?

Simply reply to that posting that you refer to. That could be the root 
posting or any posting down the thread. Again, it depends what you refer 
to. If you think that a thread is built by appending the next posting 
always to the previous posting and it's a neverending single chain of 
postings, then you got it wrong.

 This would make it a great pain to find answers if everyone had to start 
 from scratch every time when they posted.

Not at all. It organizes the thread in the natural flow of discussion.
This is not a forum, which often are built on top of broken software that 
doesn't know anything about flow of discussion - e.g. they are unthreaded. 
If you got this bad habit from forums - get rid of it! Even in most forums 
you can quote correctly and thus indicate which posting you refer to 
although they might all be chained together.

 No one else has been asked to do this.

I asked you because you used *my* posting as a root instead of the correct 
posting and so I immediately recognized it as it came in as a follow-up to 
me but wasn't one. I'm sure not scrutenizing each and every posting for 
this. Most people here do understand threading.

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Re: [CentOS] LSI Logic MegaRAID 8480 Storage controller

2009-03-11 Thread Joseph L. Casale
+ /home/drew/bin/MegaCli -AdpPRSetDelay 168 -a0
^MInvalid input at or near token -AdpPRSetDelay

Doesn't like the syntax

Looks like the manual is outdated, you should have
ran a -h :)

Turns out this is the correct syntax:

MegaCli -AdpPR -Dsbl|EnblAuto|EnblMan|Start|Stop|Info|{SetDelay Val} 
 -aN|-a0,1,2|-aALL

MegaCli -AdpPR -SetDelay X -a0
where X is between 0 and 65535...


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Re: [CentOS] Video Editing

2009-03-11 Thread Bo Lynch
On Wed, March 11, 2009 8:30 am, Akemi Yagi wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Bo Lynch bly...@ameliaschools.com
 wrote:
 This is kind of a new area for me so I thought I would get the lists
 opinion.
 I have a avi video that I need to edit. The main thing that I need to
 accomplish is to maybe cut the top 1/3 of the frame and blur out a few
 faces. What would you guys recommend for an app that would accomplish
 this? Thanks in advance for any info.

 For the cut part of the task, I will suggest avidemux (from ATrpms).
  The blur part will require more powerful editing software such as
 cinelerra (from RPMforge).

 Akemi


Akemi,

I have loaded cinelerra from rpmforge but I'm having a really hard time
getting the avi to even show up in it. I open cinelerra and go to
fileload files and select the avi video but nothing shows up. I know this
is a valid file because I can play it. Is cinelerra capable of editing
already created AVI?

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Re: [CentOS] Video Editing

2009-03-11 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Bo Lynch bly...@ameliaschools.com wrote:
 On Wed, March 11, 2009 8:30 am, Akemi Yagi wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Bo Lynch bly...@ameliaschools.com
 wrote:
 This is kind of a new area for me so I thought I would get the lists
 opinion.
 I have a avi video that I need to edit. The main thing that I need to
 accomplish is to maybe cut the top 1/3 of the frame and blur out a few
 faces. What would you guys recommend for an app that would accomplish
 this? Thanks in advance for any info.

 For the cut part of the task, I will suggest avidemux (from ATrpms).
  The blur part will require more powerful editing software such as
 cinelerra (from RPMforge).

 Akemi,

 I have loaded cinelerra from rpmforge but I'm having a really hard time
 getting the avi to even show up in it. I open cinelerra and go to
 fileload files and select the avi video but nothing shows up. I know this
 is a valid file because I can play it. Is cinelerra capable of editing
 already created AVI?

According to the documentation,

Because AVI (Audio-Video Interleave) is so fragmented with varied
audio and video codecs, you may not be able to play all AVI formatted
files.

It's not looking good.

My friend who is an expert in video editing mentioned the other day LIVES:

http://lives.sourceforge.net/

I have not looked at it yet, but that is another possibility.

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Re: [CentOS] LSI Logic MegaRAID 8480 Storage controller

2009-03-11 Thread drew einhorn
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Joseph L. Casale
jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote:
+ /home/drew/bin/MegaCli -AdpPRSetDelay 168 -a0
^MInvalid input at or near token -AdpPRSetDelay

Doesn't like the syntax

 Looks like the manual is outdated, you should have
 ran a -h :)


Hmm.

I've seen a bunch of bad syntax in the manual.
Can't trust the manual.

Haven't looked at the -h
Will probably have better luck there.

 Turns out this is the correct syntax:

 MegaCli -AdpPR -Dsbl|EnblAuto|EnblMan|Start|Stop|Info|{SetDelay Val}
         -aN|-a0,1,2|-aALL

 MegaCli -AdpPR -SetDelay X -a0
 where X is between 0 and 65535...


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Re: [CentOS] Video Editing

2009-03-11 Thread Joseph L. Casale
I have loaded cinelerra from rpmforge but I'm having a really hard time
getting the avi to even show up in it.

I don't know cinelerra, and if you can believe, I don't have a single CentOS
box w/ a desktop heh but I would presume you have to demux the audio and video
into separate files as that is how most non linear nle's work...

Last time I heard of cinelerra, I looked at the docs and they looked very good.

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[CentOS] CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 49, Issue 5

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Starting at 2300 UTC Mar 11 2009, there will be 2 (two) hours of outage 
for all services hosted on projects.centos.org

The machines that host these services are being moved to another cabinet 
within the same hosting facility.

If there are any questions you might have, drop into #centos-devel and 
someone from the CentOS infrastructure team will be around to talk with 
during this outage and a few hours leading upto the outage.

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From: John Newbigin jnewbi...@ict.swin.edu.au
Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2009:0333-01: Moderate CentOS 2 i386
libpng  security update
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The following errata for CentOS-2 have been built and uploaded to the
centos mirror:

RHSA-2009:0333-01 Moderate: libpng security update

Files available:
libpng-1.0.14-12.i386.rpm
libpng-devel-1.0.14-12.i386.rpm

More details are available from the RedHat web site at
https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rh21as-errata.html

The easy way to make sure you are up to date with all the latest patches
is to run:
# yum update

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Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2009:0325-01: Critical CentOS 2 i386
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The following errata for CentOS-2 have been built and uploaded to the
centos mirror:

RHSA-2009:0325-01 Critical: seamonkey security update

Files available:
seamonkey-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-chat-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-devel-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-dom-inspector-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-js-debugger-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-mail-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-nspr-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-nspr-devel-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-nss-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm
seamonkey-nss-devel-1.0.9-0.30.el2.c2.1.i386.rpm

More details are available from the RedHat web site at
https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rh21as-errata.html

The easy way to make sure you are up to date with all the latest patches
is to run:
# yum update

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[CentOS] Thanks! (was: CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 49, Issue 5)

2009-03-11 Thread Paul Heinlein
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, centos-announce-requ...@centos.org wrote:

 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:35:43 +
 From: Karanbir Singh kbsi...@centos.org
 Subject: [CentOS-announce] Services outage for : projects.centos.org

 Starting at 2300 UTC Mar 11 2009, there will be 2 (two) hours of 
 outage for all services hosted on projects.centos.org

 The machines that host these services are being moved to another 
 cabinet within the same hosting facility.

Thanks, CentOS maintainers, for keeping the centos.org infrastructure 
updated and finely tuned! Most of us know that you do this freely as a 
service to the community. I appreciate it greatly.

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[CentOS] LSI Logic MegaRAID 8480 Storage controller policies?

2009-03-11 Thread drew einhorn
Life is much better now that I'm using -h instead of the manual.

I have a new question about policies

Direct   and DisDskCache makes sense
Cached and EnDiskCache makes sense

not so sure about

Directand EnDskCache
Cached and DisDsk Cache

Do they make sense?

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Re: [CentOS] Video Editing

2009-03-11 Thread Kwan Lowe
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Joseph L. Casale

 Last time I heard of cinelerra, I looked at the docs and they looked very 
 good.

I've tried it.  Alas, it would crash so often that it was unusable.
I've used Kino a little. It didn't crash but I haven't done much with
it besides re-arrange some clips.
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Re: [CentOS] Video Editing

2009-03-11 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 11 March 2009 18:07:26 Kwan Lowe wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Joseph L. Casale

  Last time I heard of cinelerra, I looked at the docs and they looked very
  good.

 I've tried it.  Alas, it would crash so often that it was unusable.
 I've used Kino a little. It didn't crash but I haven't done much with
 it besides re-arrange some clips.

You might like to take a look at the todisc/tovid suite of programs.  You get 
the most power out of them if you use the CLI, but a gui does help with 
various aspects if you want it.  I haven't used it on a situation like yours, 
but I tickled the edge of it, and was very pleased with the results.  They 
have a very helpful, low-volume mailing list too.  Whether it will read yoiur 
.avi remains to be seen, but if it will you can probably re-save it to any 
reasonable format, then your mainstream tools are also available to you.

HTH

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Re: [CentOS] LSI Logic MegaRAID 8480 Storage controller policies?

2009-03-11 Thread Joseph L. Casale
Life is much better now that I'm using -h instead of the manual.

I have a new question about policies

Direct   and DisDskCache makes sense
Cached and EnDiskCache makes sense

not so sure about

Directand EnDskCache
Cached and DisDsk Cache

Do they make sense?

I believe Cached|Direct refers to adapter based caching of the logical
(virtual) disk whereas EnDskCache|DisDskCache refers to physical disk
cache.

The adapter can hold data in the event of a powerloss with a BBU
but I can't see how the disc could.

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Re: [CentOS] hplip problems - configure: error: cannot find libjpeg support

2009-03-11 Thread Roger Wells


Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Monday 09 March 2009 13:40, John Doe wrote:
   
 there's
 also:
   rpm -qa dbus-python\*
 to check that something is installed.
 
 That simply returns
 dbus-python-0.70-7.el5
   
 In case you did not try it already, have you tried hp-check?
 

 To me it implies that I have earlier versions of some packages than the 
 required ones.

   
 Did you check
 http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/manual/distros/centos.html for
 dependencies?

 
 No - I didn't know about that page.  When I installed it before there were   
 some  included instructions and I followed those.  Presumably they are now 
 out of date.  I'll try that page in a day or two, when I have time for a 
 decent session.  However, I did give yum the command for all those 
 dependencies, and it did find some that I didn't have already, but after that 
 hp-check still listed these:

 Checking PyQt 4.x version...
 error: NOT FOUND OR FAILED TO LOAD!

 Checking for dependency: CUPS DDK - CUPS driver development kit...
 warning: NOT FOUND! This is an OPTIONAL/RUNTIME ONLY dependency. Some HPLIP 
 functionality may not function properly

 Checking for dependency: DBus - Message bus system...
 error: NOT FOUND! This is a REQUIRED dependency. Please make sure that this 
 dependency is installed before installing or running HPLIP.

 Checking for dependency: libcrypto - OpenSSL cryptographic library...
 error: NOT FOUND! This is a REQUIRED dependency. Please make sure that this 
 dependency is installed before installing or running HPLIP.

 Checking for dependency: libnetsnmp-devel - SNMP networking library 
 development files...
 error: NOT FOUND! This is a REQUIRED dependency. Please make sure that this 
 dependency is installed before installing or running HPLIP.

 Checking for dependency: ppdev - Parallel port support kernel module
 error: NOT FOUND! This is a REQUIRED/RUNTIME ONLY dependency. Please make 
 sure 
 that this dependency is installed before installing or running HPLIP.

 Checking for dependency: PyQt 4- Qt interface for Python (for Qt version 
 4.x)...
 error: NOT FOUND! This is a REQUIRED/RUNTIME ONLY dependency. Please make 
 sure 
 that this dependency is installed before installing or running HPLIP

 Checking for dependency: PyQt 4 DBus - DBus Support for PyQt4...
 error: NOT FOUND! This is a REQUIRED/RUNTIME ONLY dependency. Please make 
 sure 
 that this dependency is installed before installing or running HPLIP.

 Checking for dependency: Python ctypes - A foreign function library for 
 Python...
 error: NOT FOUND! This is a REQUIRED/RUNTIME ONLY dependency. Please make 
 sure 
 that this dependency is installed before installing or running HPLIP.

 Checking for dependency: Python DBus - Python bindings for DBus...
 error: NOT FOUND! This is a REQUIRED/RUNTIME ONLY dependency. Please make 
 sure 
 that this dependency is installed before installing or running HPLIP.

 Checking for dependency: SANE - Scanning library development files...
 error: NOT FOUND! This is a REQUIRED/COMPILE TIME ONLY dependency. Please 
 make 
 sure that this dependency is installed before installing or running HPLIP.

 I'll have to come back to this later in the week.

   
Anne et al.,
I have followed the directions on the referenced link.  Good for HP for 
providing such clear instructions,
however,
All steps complete as hoped but hp-check gives 2 errors  2 warnings:
PyQt4 Dbus error
Python Dbus error
Reportlab   warning
CUPS DDK   warning

running hp-setup does seem to run and it let me install a printer 
although it issued an error:
error: No PPD found for model laserjet_4350. Trying old algorithm...

running hp-toolbox fails:
[ro...@rwells-rh hplip-3.9.2]$ hp-toolbox
warning: python-dbus not installed.

HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 3.9.2)
HP Device Manager ver. 15.0

Copyright (c) 2001-9 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, LP
This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute it
under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more details.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/bin/hp-toolbox, line 246, in ?
from ui4.devmgr5 import DevMgr5
  File /usr/share/hplip/ui4/devmgr5.py, line 45, in ?
from dbus.mainloop.qt import DBusQtMainLoop
ImportError: No module named mainloop.qt

I will try a printer with a scanner at home tonight but I am not holding out
much hope.

Any ideas appreciated, thanks for everyone's time

roger wells

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Re: [CentOS] LSI Logic MegaRAID 8480 Storage controller policies?

2009-03-11 Thread drew einhorn
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Joseph L. Casale
jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote:
Life is much better now that I'm using -h instead of the manual.

I have a new question about policies

Direct   and DisDskCache makes sense
Cached and EnDiskCache makes sense

not so sure about

Direct    and EnDskCache
Cached and DisDsk Cache

Do they make sense?

 I believe Cached|Direct refers to adapter based caching of the logical
 (virtual) disk whereas EnDskCache|DisDskCache refers to physical disk
 cache.

 The adapter can hold data in the event of a powerloss with a BBU
 but I can't see how the disc could.


Hmm.  The drive cabinets could have their own UPS.  Doesn't have to be very
big to keep the power up for long enough for the drive disk caches to
get emptied.
And I've seen data centers with amaizing multiple layers of redundant power.

I'm thinking production database Secondary servers should be
configured for reliability, and production Primary servers should be
configure for speed.

The secondary will be extremely paranoid.  WT Direct DisDskCache.

Not sure understand the performance benefit/risk trade offs well
enough to choose intelligently for the primary.  Especially when the
application may be making lots of assumptions about what is happening
on the lower levels.  And may have much more memory available to do
its own caching and optimization.

Does the controller really know enough about what's going on in the
drive to make effective use of the drives cache to speed things up?

My guess is that I'll start with WB Cached DisDskCache on the primary,
and may be surprised where we end up.

And it seems to me that ADRA is almost always the better choice.  But
I could easily be missing something important.

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Re: [CentOS] Cannot get CentOS to install

2009-03-11 Thread Michael Peterson
Lanny Marcus wrote:
 On 3/10/09, William L. Maltby centos4b...@triad.rr.com wrote:
   
 On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 16:37 -0500, Michael Peterson wrote:
 
 I used google but did not come up with anything current to solve my
 problem.
 I have not tried any other search engines yet.
 There is not a search for the CentOS list so I am creating a new post.
   

 Using Google to search you can begin with: site:centos.org and then
 your search terms

 snip
   
 With only 512MB or ram you will have to use text mode only, IIRC. Also
 in the archives. There's also some threads that mention noacpi, acpi=no
 and some other stuff I can't recall.
 

 I have installed CentOS 5.2 (32 bit) using the graphical install on a
 box with 384 MB of RAM. Slow, but it worked. My daughters box is a P4
 1.6 GHz with 384 MB of RAM. It will install with 512 MB of RAM, more
 happily. Wife's box and mine have 512 MB of RAM.

   
 The hardware is P4 2.8 CPU, 512 MB RAM, 120GB 3ware IDE/PATA RAID HD,
 ATI Video, CDRW CD, Dual Nic, Floppy and IDE/PATA Tape drive.
   

 Have you tried the CentOS LiveCD on that HW, to see if everything will
 work properly? I haven't had to use any special parameters, to get the
 graphical installs to work on our old Desktop boxes.  If it won't go
 with the LiveCD, try another version
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Re: [CentOS] Cannot get CentOS to install

2009-03-11 Thread Michael Peterson
John R Pierce wrote:
 Michael Peterson wrote:
   
 The hardware is P4 2.8 CPU, 512 MB RAM, 120GB 3ware IDE/PATA RAID HD, 
 ATI Video, CDRW CD, Dual Nic, Floppy and IDE/PATA Tape drive.
   
 

 probably more important than any of the data you've given there is, what 
 chipset on the mainboard, which 3ware card, and what dual NIC chips ?


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The Live CD of 5.2 works with out kernel parameters and gives no errors 
but the install CD will not boot GUI or Text.

The Chipset is Intel.
The 3ware card is Escalade 7000-2
The NIC chips are both internal Intel 82557 Pro 100 as per the Live CD 
hwconf file.

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Re: [CentOS] Cannot get CentOS to install

2009-03-11 Thread Michael Peterson
William L. Maltby wrote:
 On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 16:37 -0500, Michael Peterson wrote:
   
 I used google but did not come up with anything current to solve my problem.
 I have not tried any other search engines yet.
 There is not a search for the CentOS list so I am creating a new post.
 

 See below - it's really hard to find.

   
 I have tested the CentOS 5.2 and RHEL 5.3 CD's and they passed.
 I had to use linux mediacheck ide=nodma to get them to pass.
 The newest releases seem to most times fail with just linux mediacheck.
 

 Try making the media after padding the iso image with about 300k of
 zeros. When you search the archives (there is a search - I'll mention
 below) there are a couple of threads about this.

   
 I have tried linux ide=nodma and
 linux text ide=nodma after trying
 linux and
 linux text

 Anaconda fails on both CentOS 5.2 and RHEL 5.3 in all cases.
 

 With only 512MB or ram you will have to use text mode only, IIRC. Also
 in the archives. There's also some threads that mention noacpi, acpi=no
 and some other stuff I can't recall.

   
 The system I am trying to install on is running CentOS 3.x.

 The hardware is P4 2.8 CPU, 512 MB RAM, 120GB 3ware IDE/PATA RAID HD, 
 ATI Video, CDRW CD, Dual Nic, Floppy and IDE/PATA Tape drive.

 Please provide any options to the kernel that I should try besides the 
 ones mentioned above that fail.
 snip
 

 For your google searches, go to the advanced section and specify
 centos.org. That gets what's in the archives. To search directly from
 CentOS site, click Search on http://centos.org/

 HTH,
   
The system I am trying to install on boot with out problems or errors on 
the 5.2 Live CD.
Gui works
Firefox and Network work

I tried the options mentioned and more and get the same errors.
They are:

Starting graphical installation ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/bin/anaconda, line 900, in ? iutil.makeDriveDeviceNodes()
File /usr/lib/anaconda/iutil.py. line 264, in makeDriveDeviceNodes
isys.makeDevinode(device, dev /%s % (device,))
File /usr/lib/anaconda.isys.py, line 422, inmakeDevInode 
_isys.mkdevinode(name,fn)
SystemError: (2, 'No such file or directory')
install exited abnormally [1/1]
sending termination signals ... done


The RHEL 5.3 boot disk is the same as above except the line 900 is 924.

I have tried text and GUI and ide=nodma pci=noacpi with both.

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Re: [CentOS] Video Editing

2009-03-11 Thread Lanny Marcus
On 3/11/09, Kwan Lowe kwan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Joseph L. Casale
 Last time I heard of cinelerra, I looked at the docs and they looked very
 good.

 I've tried it.  Alas, it would crash so often that it was unusable.
 I've used Kino a little. It didn't crash but I haven't done much with
 it besides re-arrange some clips.

cinelerra does crash, frequently, but if you read their documentation,
they save after everything you do and when you restart it, you can
immediately get back to where you were before the crash. Crashing is
not a feature, but they are well aware of it.  :-)

It has (as Akemi pointed out to me) a steep learning curve, but it is
extremely powerful.

My wife is trying to figure out how to get the audio and video synced
properly, when she edits...

kino is much easier to learn, but probably much less powerful too.
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Re: [CentOS] Cannot get CentOS to install

2009-03-11 Thread Scott Silva
on 3-11-2009 1:44 PM Michael Peterson spake the following:
 William L. Maltby wrote:
 On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 16:37 -0500, Michael Peterson wrote:
   
 I used google but did not come up with anything current to solve my problem.
 I have not tried any other search engines yet.
 There is not a search for the CentOS list so I am creating a new post.
 
 See below - it's really hard to find.

   
 I have tested the CentOS 5.2 and RHEL 5.3 CD's and they passed.
 I had to use linux mediacheck ide=nodma to get them to pass.
 The newest releases seem to most times fail with just linux mediacheck.
 
 Try making the media after padding the iso image with about 300k of
 zeros. When you search the archives (there is a search - I'll mention
 below) there are a couple of threads about this.

   
 I have tried linux ide=nodma and
 linux text ide=nodma after trying
 linux and
 linux text

 Anaconda fails on both CentOS 5.2 and RHEL 5.3 in all cases.
 
 With only 512MB or ram you will have to use text mode only, IIRC. Also
 in the archives. There's also some threads that mention noacpi, acpi=no
 and some other stuff I can't recall.

   
 The system I am trying to install on is running CentOS 3.x.

 The hardware is P4 2.8 CPU, 512 MB RAM, 120GB 3ware IDE/PATA RAID HD, 
 ATI Video, CDRW CD, Dual Nic, Floppy and IDE/PATA Tape drive.

 Please provide any options to the kernel that I should try besides the 
 ones mentioned above that fail.
 snip
 
 For your google searches, go to the advanced section and specify
 centos.org. That gets what's in the archives. To search directly from
 CentOS site, click Search on http://centos.org/

 HTH,
   
 The system I am trying to install on boot with out problems or errors on 
 the 5.2 Live CD.
 Gui works
 Firefox and Network work
 
 I tried the options mentioned and more and get the same errors.
 They are:
 
 Starting graphical installation ...
 Traceback (most recent call last):
 File /usr/bin/anaconda, line 900, in ? iutil.makeDriveDeviceNodes()
 File /usr/lib/anaconda/iutil.py. line 264, in makeDriveDeviceNodes
 isys.makeDevinode(device, dev /%s % (device,))
 File /usr/lib/anaconda.isys.py, line 422, inmakeDevInode 
 _isys.mkdevinode(name,fn)
 SystemError: (2, 'No such file or directory')
 install exited abnormally [1/1]
 sending termination signals ... done
 
 
 The RHEL 5.3 boot disk is the same as above except the line 900 is 924.
 
 I have tried text and GUI and ide=nodma pci=noacpi with both.
Can you see and write to the hard disks with the Live CD?



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[CentOS] Intermittent NFS problems with NetApp server

2009-03-11 Thread Alfred von Campe
I've been experiencing some intermittent problems accessing at NetApp  
server via NFS and automount.  I'm running CentOS 5.2 (fully updated)  
on all my servers and workstations.  Usually, everything is working  
just fine, when suddenly we get the following error:

   /bin/sh: /home/epd/srcref/swtools/Crontabs/ 
run_release_requests.sh: Permission denied

This is actually an email from cron because we try to run that shell  
script every minute (yes, the crontab entry is * * * * * /home/epd/ 
srcref/swtools/Crontabs/run_release_requests.sh), and /home/epd is an  
automounted directory.  Here is its map entry:

   epd -rw,nointr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768 XX:/epd

When this is happening, other users can successfully access that  
directory on the server.  The directory is actually mounted  
correctly, and unmounting doesn't fix the issue.  Furthermore, the  
same user that is being denied access, can successfully access that  
directory on a different server.  The problem usually lasts about 20  
minutes and then resolves itself.  We have been pulling our hair out  
trying to debug this problem, because it's intermittent and the debug  
window is fairly short.

Recently we have been getting help from one of the NetApp admins, and  
he ran a command on the NetApp that produced the following warning:

   The TCP receive window advertised by NFS client XXX is 5888.
   This is less than the recommended value of 32768 bytes.
   You should increase the TCP receive buffer size for NFS on the  
client.

Some googling around got me to check these values for TCP:

   # sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_mem
   net.ipv4.tcp_mem = 98304131072  196608
   # sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_rmem
   net.ipv4.tcp_rmem = 409687380   4194304
   # sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_wmem
   net.ipv4.tcp_wmem = 409616384   4194304

So these seem fine to me (i.e., the max is greater than 32768).  Is  
there an NFS (as opposed to TCP) setting I should be tweaking?  Any  
ideas why the NetApp is issuing those warnings?  Any other  
suggestions on how to debug this problem?

Thanks,
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[CentOS] Disk usage for small files in ext3 in CentOS 5

2009-03-11 Thread Filipe Brandenburger
Hello,

I noticed something unusual today.

If I du a small file (couple of bytes) in CentOS 5, it tells me the
file is using 8kb, while I was expecting 4kb which is the block size
I'm using.

I tried this on several CentOS 5 machines, both x86_64 and i386:

$ echo test test.txt
$ ls -l test.txt
-rw-rw-r-- 1 filbranden filbranden 5 Mar 11 17:24 test.txt
$ du -h test.txt
8.0Ktest.txt

If I do the same on a CentOS 4 machine:

$ echo test test.txt
$ ls -l test.txt
-rw-rw-r--  1 filbranden filbranden 5 Mar 11 17:25 test.txt
$ du -h test.txt
4.0Ktest.txt

On all machines I tested, both CentOS 4 and CentOS 5:

# tune2fs -l /dev/x
...
Block size:   4096
Fragment size:4096

I could not find any differences that would explain the behaviour.
Have you seen this before? Can you reproduce it on your systems? Do
you know how to get the CentOS 4 behaviour?

More on the point: I'm migrating some data from CentOS 4 to CentOS 5,
it's around 70GB of millions of small files. I would like it to still
take 70GB, not 140GB. For now, I'm working around this issue by using
-T small to mke2fs, I'm not sure if it's going to have the effect I
want, and I'm not sure about any other impact (performance?) it might
have on my filesystem.

Thanks,
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Re: [CentOS] Disk usage for small files in ext3 in CentOS 5

2009-03-11 Thread Nicolas Thierry-Mieg

Filipe Brandenburger wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I noticed something unusual today.
 
 If I du a small file (couple of bytes) in CentOS 5, it tells me the
 file is using 8kb, while I was expecting 4kb which is the block size
 I'm using.
 
 I tried this on several CentOS 5 machines, both x86_64 and i386:
 
 $ echo test test.txt
 $ ls -l test.txt
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 filbranden filbranden 5 Mar 11 17:24 test.txt
 $ du -h test.txt
 8.0K  test.txt
snip
 I could not find any differences that would explain the behaviour.
 Have you seen this before? Can you reproduce it on your systems? Do
 you know how to get the CentOS 4 behaviour?

strange.
I don't reproduce on an x86_64 centos 5 machine:
[nthie...@localhost ~]$ echo test test.txt
[nthie...@localhost ~]$ ls -l test.txt
-rw-rw-r-- 1 nthierry nthierry 5 Mar 11 22:44 test.txt
[nthie...@localhost ~]$ du -h test.txt
4.0Ktest.txt

I'm pretty sure I did nothing special when making the fs.

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Re: [CentOS] Disk usage for small files in ext3 in CentOS 5

2009-03-11 Thread Rob Kampen



Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote:

Filipe Brandenburger wrote:
  

Hello,

I noticed something unusual today.

If I du a small file (couple of bytes) in CentOS 5, it tells me the
file is using 8kb, while I was expecting 4kb which is the block size
I'm using.

I tried this on several CentOS 5 machines, both x86_64 and i386:

$ echo test test.txt
$ ls -l test.txt
-rw-rw-r-- 1 filbranden filbranden 5 Mar 11 17:24 test.txt
$ du -h test.txt
8.0Ktest.txt


snip
  

I could not find any differences that would explain the behaviour.
Have you seen this before? Can you reproduce it on your systems? Do
you know how to get the CentOS 4 behaviour?



strange.
I don't reproduce on an x86_64 centos 5 machine:
[nthie...@localhost ~]$ echo test test.txt
[nthie...@localhost ~]$ ls -l test.txt
-rw-rw-r-- 1 nthierry nthierry 5 Mar 11 22:44 test.txt
[nthie...@localhost ~]$ du -h test.txt
4.0Ktest.txt

I'm pretty sure I did nothing special when making the fs.

HTH
  

I did the same test but my du -h test.txt gives
8.0Ktest.txt
I am running linux mirrored drives, thus in one respect it is actually 
using 2 times 4.0K - once per drive??

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Re: [CentOS] Disk usage for small files in ext3 in CentOS 5

2009-03-11 Thread Mike A. Harris
Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote:

 $ echo test test.txt
 $ ls -l test.txt
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 filbranden filbranden 5 Mar 11 17:24 test.txt
 $ du -h test.txt
 8.0K test.txt
 snip
 I could not find any differences that would explain the behaviour.
 Have you seen this before? Can you reproduce it on your systems? Do
 you know how to get the CentOS 4 behaviour?
 
 strange.
 I don't reproduce on an x86_64 centos 5 machine:
 [nthie...@localhost ~]$ echo test test.txt
 [nthie...@localhost ~]$ ls -l test.txt
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 nthierry nthierry 5 Mar 11 22:44 test.txt
 [nthie...@localhost ~]$ du -h test.txt
 4.0Ktest.txt
 
 I'm pretty sure I did nothing special when making the fs.

Doublecheck it with:

tune2fs -l /dev/hda1 |grep 'Block size'

Substitute your partition for /dev/hda1 above.
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Re: [CentOS] Disk usage for small files in ext3 in CentOS 5

2009-03-11 Thread Marko A. Jennings
On Wed, March 11, 2009 5:51 pm, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote:

 Filipe Brandenburger wrote:
 Hello,

 I noticed something unusual today.

 If I du a small file (couple of bytes) in CentOS 5, it tells me the
 file is using 8kb, while I was expecting 4kb which is the block size
 I'm using.

 I tried this on several CentOS 5 machines, both x86_64 and i386:

 $ echo test test.txt
 $ ls -l test.txt
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 filbranden filbranden 5 Mar 11 17:24 test.txt
 $ du -h test.txt
 8.0K test.txt
 snip
 I could not find any differences that would explain the behaviour.
 Have you seen this before? Can you reproduce it on your systems? Do
 you know how to get the CentOS 4 behaviour?

 strange.
 I don't reproduce on an x86_64 centos 5 machine:
 [nthie...@localhost ~]$ echo test test.txt
 [nthie...@localhost ~]$ ls -l test.txt
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 nthierry nthierry 5 Mar 11 22:44 test.txt
 [nthie...@localhost ~]$ du -h test.txt
 4.0Ktest.txt

 I'm pretty sure I did nothing special when making the fs.

I just did it on a 32 bit machine and got 4.0K.  The file system was
created using default parameters.

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Re: [CentOS] Disk usage for small files in ext3 in CentOS 5

2009-03-11 Thread Robert Nichols
Filipe Brandenburger wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I noticed something unusual today.
 
 If I du a small file (couple of bytes) in CentOS 5, it tells me the
 file is using 8kb, while I was expecting 4kb which is the block size
 I'm using.
 
 I tried this on several CentOS 5 machines, both x86_64 and i386:
 
 $ echo test test.txt
 $ ls -l test.txt
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 filbranden filbranden 5 Mar 11 17:24 test.txt
 $ du -h test.txt
 8.0K  test.txt

Odd.  I'm not seeing this on CentOS 5.2:

   $ echo test test.txt
   $ ls -ls test.txt
   4 -rw-rw-r-- 1 rnichols rnichols 5 Mar 11 16:57 test.txt
   $ du -h test.txt
   4.0Ktest.txt
   $ stat test.txt
 File: `test.txt'
 Size: 5   Blocks: 8  IO Block: 4096   regular file
   Device: 341h/833d   Inode: 4325491 Links: 1
   Access: (0664/-rw-rw-r--)  Uid: (  500/rnichols)   Gid: (  500/rnichols)
   Access: 2009-03-11 16:57:18.0 -0500
   Modify: 2009-03-11 16:57:18.0 -0500
   Change: 2009-03-11 16:57:18.0 -0500
   $ df .
   Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
   /dev/hdb1487397840 320075816 142902824  70% /xstore
   $ su - -c tune2fs -l /dev/hdb1 | egrep 'features|size'
   Password:
   Filesystem features:  has_journal resize_inode dir_index filetype 
needs_recovery sparse_super large_file
   Block size:   4096
   Fragment size:4096
   Inode size:   128

Everything exactly as expected.

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Re: [CentOS] Intermittent NFS problems with NetApp server

2009-03-11 Thread Louis Lagendijk
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 17:23 -0400, Alfred von Campe wrote:

 
# sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_mem
net.ipv4.tcp_mem = 98304131072  196608
# sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_rmem
net.ipv4.tcp_rmem = 409687380   4194304
# sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_wmem
net.ipv4.tcp_wmem = 409616384   4194304
 
 So these seem fine to me (i.e., the max is greater than 32768).  Is  
 there an NFS (as opposed to TCP) setting I should be tweaking?  Any  
 ideas why the NetApp is issuing those warnings?  Any other  
 suggestions on how to debug this problem?
 
man nfs
man mount.nfs
cat /proc/mounts

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Re: [CentOS] Intermittent NFS problems with NetApp server

2009-03-11 Thread Ray Van Dolson
snip

 So these seem fine to me (i.e., the max is greater than 32768).  Is  
 there an NFS (as opposed to TCP) setting I should be tweaking?  Any  
 ideas why the NetApp is issuing those warnings?  Any other  
 suggestions on how to debug this problem?

Sounds like a very interesting problem.  The only time I've gotten such
errors have been NFSv4 issues between Linux and Solaris hosts, never
with a NetApp.

You might try asking on the linux-nfs[1] list as well as the
toasters[2] list.  I'd be interested to hera what you come up with.
Very strange symptoms though.  Are you using NFS over TCP or UDP?  It
seems like one side is attempting to use a stale session...

I've always found NFS stuff like this very difficult to troubleshoot.
If you can reproduce the problem on demand maybe you could get a packet
dump right when the issue begins...

Ray

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[CentOS] howto prevent gnome_panel from starting up one 5.2 x86_64

2009-03-11 Thread Jerry Geis
how do I prevent gnome_panel from starting up?

once its started I can do gnome-session-remove gnome_panel
But I dont want it to startup at all.

How can I do that?

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Re: [CentOS] Cannot get CentOS to install

2009-03-11 Thread Ross Walker

On Mar 11, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Michael Peterson 
mpeter...@mail.charlesfurniture.com 
  wrote:

 William L. Maltby wrote:
 On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 16:37 -0500, Michael Peterson wrote:

 I used google but did not come up with anything current to solve  
 my problem.
 I have not tried any other search engines yet.
 There is not a search for the CentOS list so I am creating a new  
 post.


 See below - it's really hard to find.


 I have tested the CentOS 5.2 and RHEL 5.3 CD's and they passed.
 I had to use linux mediacheck ide=nodma to get them to pass.
 The newest releases seem to most times fail with just linux  
 mediacheck.


 Try making the media after padding the iso image with about 300k of
 zeros. When you search the archives (there is a search - I'll mention
 below) there are a couple of threads about this.


 I have tried linux ide=nodma and
 linux text ide=nodma after trying
 linux and
 linux text

 Anaconda fails on both CentOS 5.2 and RHEL 5.3 in all cases.


 With only 512MB or ram you will have to use text mode only, IIRC.  
 Also
 in the archives. There's also some threads that mention noacpi,  
 acpi=no
 and some other stuff I can't recall.


 The system I am trying to install on is running CentOS 3.x.

 The hardware is P4 2.8 CPU, 512 MB RAM, 120GB 3ware IDE/PATA RAID  
 HD,
 ATI Video, CDRW CD, Dual Nic, Floppy and IDE/PATA Tape drive.

 Please provide any options to the kernel that I should try besides  
 the
 ones mentioned above that fail.
 snip


 For your google searches, go to the advanced section and specify
 centos.org. That gets what's in the archives. To search directly from
 CentOS site, click Search on http://centos.org/

 HTH,

 The system I am trying to install on boot with out problems or  
 errors on
 the 5.2 Live CD.
 Gui works
 Firefox and Network work

 I tried the options mentioned and more and get the same errors.
 They are:

 Starting graphical installation ...
 Traceback (most recent call last):
 File /usr/bin/anaconda, line 900, in ? iutil.makeDriveDeviceNodes()
 File /usr/lib/anaconda/iutil.py. line 264, in makeDriveDeviceNodes
 isys.makeDevinode(device, dev /%s % (device,))
 File /usr/lib/anaconda.isys.py, line 422, inmakeDevInode
 _isys.mkdevinode(name,fn)
 SystemError: (2, 'No such file or directory')
 install exited abnormally [1/1]
 sending termination signals ... done


 The RHEL 5.3 boot disk is the same as above except the line 900 is  
 924.

 I have tried text and GUI and ide=nodma pci=noacpi with both.

Make sure Install Mode is disabled in the BIOS as it will limit  
memory to 256MB in some machines which will make GUI install bork.

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Re: [CentOS] Intermittent NFS problems with NetApp server

2009-03-11 Thread Ross Walker
On Mar 11, 2009, at 5:23 PM, Alfred von Campe alf...@von-campe.com  
wrote:

 I've been experiencing some intermittent problems accessing at NetApp
 server via NFS and automount.  I'm running CentOS 5.2 (fully updated)
 on all my servers and workstations.  Usually, everything is working
 just fine, when suddenly we get the following error:

   /bin/sh: /home/epd/srcref/swtools/Crontabs/
 run_release_requests.sh: Permission denied

 This is actually an email from cron because we try to run that shell
 script every minute (yes, the crontab entry is * * * * * /home/epd/
 srcref/swtools/Crontabs/run_release_requests.sh), and /home/epd is an
 automounted directory.  Here is its map entry:

   epd -rw,nointr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768 XX:/epd

 When this is happening, other users can successfully access that
 directory on the server.  The directory is actually mounted
 correctly, and unmounting doesn't fix the issue.  Furthermore, the
 same user that is being denied access, can successfully access that
 directory on a different server.  The problem usually lasts about 20
 minutes and then resolves itself.  We have been pulling our hair out
 trying to debug this problem, because it's intermittent and the debug
 window is fairly short.

 Recently we have been getting help from one of the NetApp admins, and
 he ran a command on the NetApp that produced the following warning:

   The TCP receive window advertised by NFS client XXX is 5888.
   This is less than the recommended value of 32768 bytes.
   You should increase the TCP receive buffer size for NFS on the
 client.

 Some googling around got me to check these values for TCP:

   # sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_mem
   net.ipv4.tcp_mem = 98304131072  196608
   # sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_rmem
   net.ipv4.tcp_rmem = 409687380   4194304
   # sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_wmem
   net.ipv4.tcp_wmem = 409616384   4194304

 So these seem fine to me (i.e., the max is greater than 32768).  Is
 there an NFS (as opposed to TCP) setting I should be tweaking?  Any
 ideas why the NetApp is issuing those warnings?  Any other
 suggestions on how to debug this problem?

Run a headers only tcpdump of the NFS mount from mount to when the  
problem occurs, then use wireshark to analyze it.

Maybe page cache is putting too much pressure on tcp buffering so you  
need to increase the minimum buffer size?

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Re: [CentOS] Disk usage for small files in ext3 in CentOS 5

2009-03-11 Thread William L. Maltby

On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 17:29 -0400, Filipe Brandenburger wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I noticed something unusual today.
 
 If I du a small file (couple of bytes) in CentOS 5, it tells me the
 file is using 8kb, while I was expecting 4kb which is the block size
 I'm using.
 
 I tried this on several CentOS 5 machines, both x86_64 and i386:
 
 $ echo test test.txt
 $ ls -l test.txt
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 filbranden filbranden 5 Mar 11 17:24 test.txt
 $ du -h test.txt
 8.0K  test.txt
 
 If I do the same on a CentOS 4 machine:
 
 $ echo test test.txt
 $ ls -l test.txt
 -rw-rw-r--  1 filbranden filbranden 5 Mar 11 17:25 test.txt
 $ du -h test.txt
 4.0K  test.txt
 
 On all machines I tested, both CentOS 4 and CentOS 5:
 
 # tune2fs -l /dev/x
 ...
 Block size:   4096
 Fragment size:4096
 
 I could not find any differences that would explain the behaviour.
 Have you seen this before? Can you reproduce it on your systems? Do
 you know how to get the CentOS 4 behaviour?
 
 More on the point: I'm migrating some data from CentOS 4 to CentOS 5,
 it's around 70GB of millions of small files. I would like it to still
 take 70GB, not 140GB. For now, I'm working around this issue by using
 -T small to mke2fs, I'm not sure if it's going to have the effect I
 want, and I'm not sure about any other impact (performance?) it might
 have on my filesystem.

I'm a gambler, so I'll bet on this. Very large disks? If so, it may be
that some of the tunables specify two blocks per fragment or the
bytes-per-inode specifies more than 4K. I've been able, in the past, to
affect things like this by tuning the number of i-nodes up/down when
making the file system. Generally though, I'm reducing the number as
there is a lot of space that can be gained since normally there will be
1 per block, IIRC. Since my desktop FS doesn't experience that much
growth, and lots of the files are large, this is safe. YMMV.

The output of the tune2fs command might give some hints.

Also, using mke2fs with the -n parameter will tell you what it would
do if you were to (re) make the file system.

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HTH
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Bill

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Re: [CentOS] Disk usage for small files in ext3 in CentOS 5

2009-03-11 Thread Filipe Brandenburger
Hi,

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 17:29, Filipe Brandenburger
filbran...@gmail.com wrote:
 If I du a small file (couple of bytes) in CentOS 5, it tells me the
 file is using 8kb, while I was expecting 4kb which is the block size
 I'm using.

Found it! It's not related to CentOS 4 or 5 (I found a C4 machine in
which small files took 8kb of diskspace and a C5 machine in which
small files took 4kb). It's related to SELinux being enabled or not.
Casually most of my C4 machines had SELinux disabled and most of my C5
have it enabled. Now I dug out some machines with the opposite config
and I checked it out.

I believe if SELinux is enabled, it will use extended attributes to
store the file's SELinux context (you can see it with ls -Z, for
some reason you cannot see it with getfattr -d, I was expecting that
to be possible). I guess when the file has extended attributes it will
use an additional block to store them. That basically doubles the
storage requirements if you have millions of tiny files...

ACLs would probably have the same effect (I did not test it though).

I wonder if there is a way to override this, for instance by mounting
a filesystem and disabling extended attributes, specifying the SELinux
context for all the files in the mount options or something. I know
that is possible for NFS, but not for local filesystems... I'll dig
in, I'll let you know if I find anything.

Thanks!
Filipe
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Re: [CentOS] Disk usage for small files in ext3 in CentOS 5

2009-03-11 Thread Robert Nichols
Filipe Brandenburger wrote:
 Found it! It's not related to CentOS 4 or 5 (I found a C4 machine in
 which small files took 8kb of diskspace and a C5 machine in which
 small files took 4kb). It's related to SELinux being enabled or not.
 Casually most of my C4 machines had SELinux disabled and most of my C5
 have it enabled. Now I dug out some machines with the opposite config
 and I checked it out.
 
 I believe if SELinux is enabled, it will use extended attributes to
 store the file's SELinux context (you can see it with ls -Z, for
 some reason you cannot see it with getfattr -d, I was expecting that
 to be possible). I guess when the file has extended attributes it will
 use an additional block to store them. That basically doubles the
 storage requirements if you have millions of tiny files...

It shouldn't be doing that.  Was this an old filesystem, originally
created without security attributes?  What does tune2fs show for the
inode size?  On my Fedora 10 laptop, where the filesystem was originally
set up with SELinux attributes, the inode size is 256 bytes and the
security attributes are stored in the inode itself.  On my systems
without SELinux, the inode size is 128 bytes, so the penalty is the
additional 128 bytes per inode, not 4K per file.

If you run debugfs on the partition and use its 'stat' command you
can see where the security attributes are stored.

AFAIK if you are running SELinux there is no way to keep it out of
any filesystem capable of supporting extended attributes.

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