Re: [CentOS] GUI Software Raid Monitor Software

2011-04-12 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 4/12/11, jvalido...@juanyjosefina.com jvalido...@juanyjosefina.com wrote: For me mdadm is fine but if I set a server for a friend, relative or client I want to be notified by email if something goes wrong, I mostly (99.5%) work on windows so I don't really know what's out there for Linux. I

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 4/12/11, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 04/11/11 5:41 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: DO NOT TOP POST. sadly, gmail/googlemail is very hostile to proper quoting practices. it hides quoted text, while leaving the whole previous message appended, without any form of quoting. The

[CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Matthew Feinberg
Hello All I have a brand spanking new 40TB Hardware Raid6 array to play around with. I am looking for recommendations for which filesystem to use. I am trying not to break this up into multiple file systems as we are going to use it for backups. Other factors is performance and reliability.

Re: [CentOS] GUI Software Raid Monitor Software

2011-04-12 Thread jvalidolnx
Thank you, That's all I need. Original Message Subject: Re: [CentOS] GUI Software Raid Monitor SoftwareFrom: Emmanuel Noobadmin centos.ad...@gmail.com;Date: Mon, April 11, 2011 11:56 pmTo: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.orgOn 4/12/11, jvalido...@juanyjosefina.com

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread John R Pierce
On 04/12/11 12:23 AM, Matthew Feinberg wrote: Hello All I have a brand spanking new 40TB Hardware Raid6 array never mind file systems... is that one raid set?do you have any idea how LONG rebuilding that is going to take when there are any drive hiccups? or how painfully slow writes

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Alain Péan
Le 12/04/2011 09:23, Matthew Feinberg a écrit : Hello All I have a brand spanking new 40TB Hardware Raid6 array to play around with. I am looking for recommendations for which filesystem to use. I am trying not to break this up into multiple file systems as we are going to use it for

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Bent Terp
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Matthew Feinberg matt...@choopa.com wrote: Hello All I have a brand spanking new 40TB Hardware Raid6 array to play around with. I am looking for recommendations for which filesystem to use. I am trying not to break this up into multiple file systems as we are

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Marian Marinov
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 10:36:54 Alain Péan wrote: Le 12/04/2011 09:23, Matthew Feinberg a écrit : Hello All I have a brand spanking new 40TB Hardware Raid6 array to play around with. I am looking for recommendations for which filesystem to use. I am trying not to break this up into

[CentOS] Choosing network interface to send traffic through

2011-04-12 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
I've got a server that initially was connected to a static WAN connection via eth0. Now I've added a second NIC eth1 connected to a local network switch with the intention of using it as a backup remote access connection via a dynamic ADSL connection. The problem now is getting the IP address of

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Steve Brooks
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011, Marian Marinov wrote: On Tuesday 12 April 2011 10:36:54 Alain Péan wrote: Le 12/04/2011 09:23, Matthew Feinberg a écrit : Hello All I have a brand spanking new 40TB Hardware Raid6 array to play around with. I am looking for recommendations for which filesystem to use. I

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 01:21 AM, Phil Schaffner wrote: Karanbir Singh wrote on 04/11/2011 12:20 PM: ... No, re-read what I said. Ownership in the distro is quite a different ballgame from userend support. Yes, but it seems to be rather closely held. The option I was talking about was how that can

Re: [CentOS] Dag's RHEL Rebuild Project.

2011-04-12 Thread Kai Schaetzl
+1 Kai ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Radu Gheorghiu
On 04/12/2011 02:01 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 04/12/2011 01:21 AM, Phil Schaffner wrote: Karanbir Singh wrote on 04/11/2011 12:20 PM: ... No, re-read what I said. Ownership in the distro is quite a different ballgame from userend support. Yes, but it seems to be rather closely held. The

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Phil Schaffner wrote: Les Mikesell wrote on 04/11/2011 06:58 PM: On 4/11/2011 5:32 PM, Ned Slider wrote: ... It's laborious, it's repetitive, it's boring, sometimes it's time-consuming but it's really NOT difficult. That depends on where and whether you can find the component(s) that were

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 12:31 PM, Radu Gheorghiu wrote: I think you are avoiding the real issue here, again and again. It's not about ownership. It's not about taking ownership. It's about making the process open. A simple wiki page describing what you are doing now, and a ftp URL with files to download

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 12:46 AM, Phil Schaffner wrote: If you have a way to do those predictive tests, in serial or parallel, I'm sure that would be a valuable contribution. The possible combinations quickly lead to a combinatorial explosion. Quite a large part of the functional tests can be automated

Re: [CentOS] Kerberos/LDAP authentication no more working in 5.6 ?

2011-04-12 Thread John Hodrien
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011, Alain Péan wrote: After further verification, it seems to be related to ticket granting. Here is what I have in /var/log/messages : su: pam_krb5[7200]: TGT failed verification using keytab and key for 'host/bardeen.lab-lpp.local@LAB-LPP.LOCAL': Cannot find ticket for

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Radu Gheorghiu
On 04/12/2011 02:37 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 04/12/2011 12:31 PM, Radu Gheorghiu wrote: I think you are avoiding the real issue here, again and again. It's not about ownership. It's not about taking ownership. It's about making the process open. A simple wiki page describing what you are

Re: [CentOS] GUI Software Raid Monitor Software

2011-04-12 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
jvalido...@juanyjosefina.com wrote: I was very impressed with the performance I got on CentOS 5.6 using software Raid 10 so I'm looking. Thanks There are 3 ways to setup RAID 10 on Linux (mdadm). There are -n2 -f2 and -o2 options (near, far and offset) and best for ordinary use is far (f2).

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Radu Gheorghiu
On 04/12/2011 02:37 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 04/12/2011 12:31 PM, Radu Gheorghiu wrote: I think you are avoiding the real issue here, again and again. It's not about ownership. It's not about taking ownership. It's about making the process open. A simple wiki page describing what you are

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 04/11/2011 05:07 PM, Dag Wieers wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: On 4/11/2011 4:02 PM, Ned Slider wrote: On 11/04/11 20:16, Digimer wrote: /putting on asbestos pants. each release is more complex than the last. The web of dependency grows, so the reverse-engineering

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 12:48 PM, Radu Gheorghiu wrote: There are pages in the wiki that already describe what we are doing right now. I think you already stated that the pages about rebuilding are outdated. Thats not what was said : we might not be using the exact same scripts is more along the lines

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 12:55 PM, Radu Gheorghiu wrote: The bug.centos.org site is open to anyone who might want to get involved and help fix bugs. I'm guessing you are just new to CentOS and dont really know what you are talking about. Try thinking things though for a change. Why would anyone care to

Re: [CentOS] Choosing network interface to send traffic through

2011-04-12 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: I've got a server that initially was connected to a static WAN connection via eth0. Now I've added a second NIC eth1 connected to a local network switch with the intention of using it as a backup remote access connection via a dynamic ADSL connection. The problem

Re: [CentOS] updates to package

2011-04-12 Thread Bernard Fay
Well, I would like to know what will be the changes before we apply the updates. I would like to generate a kind of a report showing what will be the changes for all packages with available updates. Is there a way to do it? Thanks Bernard On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Christopher J.

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Phil Schaffner
Karanbir Singh wrote on 04/12/2011 07:43 AM: Quite a large part of the functional tests can be automated - specially if there are going to be 100's of people offering them up. Wihtout a doubt we need more of those. Agree - whatever can be automated should be. It is the predictive part I was

Re: [CentOS] Kickstart and lvm

2011-04-12 Thread Lars Hecking
It appears adding %pre ... lvm vgscan lvm lvm vgimport vol0 lvm vgchange -a y ... if [ -d /dev/vol0 ]; then # do stuff fi lvm vgremove -f vol0 makes the volume group appear in /dev. That was definitely not need on other hw. ___

Re: [CentOS] updates to package

2011-04-12 Thread James Hogarth
On 12 April 2011 13:06, Bernard Fay bernard@enodegroup.com wrote: Well, I would like to know what will be the changes before we apply the updates.  I would like to generate a kind of a report showing what will be the changes for all packages with available updates. Is there a way to do

Re: [CentOS] KVM problem after update to 5.6

2011-04-12 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 04/11/2011 04:45 AM, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Riccardo Veraldi riccardo.vera...@cnaf.infn.it wrote: Hello, after updating to Cents 5.6 and so to kvm-83-224 my KVM virtual machines qemu qcow2 based images do not start anymore. Looking at VM console the error message is

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Dag Wieers
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 04/11/2011 05:07 PM, Dag Wieers wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: On 4/11/2011 4:02 PM, Ned Slider wrote: On 11/04/11 20:16, Digimer wrote: /putting on asbestos pants. each release is more complex than the last. The web of

Re: [CentOS] updates to package

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 01:06 PM, Bernard Fay wrote: Well, I would like to know what will be the changes before we apply the updates. I would like to generate a kind of a report showing what will be the changes for all packages with available updates. Is there a way to do it? The way to do that

Re: [CentOS] updates to package

2011-04-12 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Bernard Fay wrote: Well, I would like to know what will be the changes before we apply the updates. I would like to generate a kind of a report showing what will be the changes for all packages with available updates. Is there a way to do it? Thanks Bernard Please do not

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Torres, Giovanni (NIH/NINDS) [C]
On Apr 12, 2011, at 3:23 AM, Matthew Feinberg wrote: ext4 does not seem to be fully baked in 5.6 yet. parted 1.8 does not support creating ext4 (strange) The CentOS homepage states that ext4 is now a fully supported filesystem in 5.6. ___ CentOS

Re: [CentOS] Kerberos/LDAP authentication no more working in 5.6 ?

2011-04-12 Thread Alain Péan
Le 12/04/2011 13:46, John Hodrien a écrit : On Sun, 10 Apr 2011, Alain Péan wrote: After further verification, it seems to be related to ticket granting. Here is what I have in /var/log/messages : su: pam_krb5[7200]: TGT failed verification using keytab and key for

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 04/12/2011 06:58 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 04/12/2011 12:48 PM, Radu Gheorghiu wrote: There are pages in the wiki that already describe what we are doing right now. I think you already stated that the pages about rebuilding are outdated. Thats not what was said : we might not be using

Re: [CentOS] Kerberos/LDAP authentication no more working in 5.6 ?

2011-04-12 Thread Alain Péan
Le 12/04/2011 14:35, Alain Péan a écrit : Le 12/04/2011 13:46, John Hodrien a écrit : On Sun, 10 Apr 2011, Alain Péan wrote: After further verification, it seems to be related to ticket granting. Here is what I have in /var/log/messages : su: pam_krb5[7200]: TGT failed verification using

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Marian Marinov
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 15:34:21 Torres, Giovanni (NIH/NINDS) [C] wrote: On Apr 12, 2011, at 3:23 AM, Matthew Feinberg wrote: ext4 does not seem to be fully baked in 5.6 yet. parted 1.8 does not support creating ext4 (strange) The CentOS homepage states that ext4 is now a fully supported

Re: [CentOS] 5.6 - SRPM's

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 02:28 AM, Bob Hepple wrote: While I'm here - thanks to the whole CentOS team for a great effort on 5.6. I installed it on a laptop for the wife and she loves it!! For myself - once I've the sources get here I can start our patch and re-compile for our in-house discless clusters.

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Sorin Srbu
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Torres, Giovanni (NIH/NINDS) [C] Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 2:34 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations On Apr 12, 2011, at 3:23 AM, Matthew

Re: [CentOS] 5.6 - SRPM's

2011-04-12 Thread Dave Cross
On 12 April 2011 13:48, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: On 04/12/2011 02:28 AM, Bob Hepple wrote: While I'm here - thanks to the whole CentOS team for a great effort on 5.6. I installed it on a laptop for the wife and she loves it!! For myself - once I've the sources get here I can

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Marian Marinov m...@yuhu.biz wrote: Steve, I'm managing machines with 30TB of storage for more then two years. And with good reporting and reaction we have never had to run fsck. However I'm sure that if you have to run fsck on so big file systems, it will

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread rainer
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 15:34:21 Torres, Giovanni (NIH/NINDS) [C] wrote: On Apr 12, 2011, at 3:23 AM, Matthew Feinberg wrote: ext4 does not seem to be fully baked in 5.6 yet. parted 1.8 does not support creating ext4 (strange) The CentOS homepage states that ext4 is now a fully supported

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Marian Marinov
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 15:56:54 rai...@ultra-secure.de wrote: On Tuesday 12 April 2011 15:34:21 Torres, Giovanni (NIH/NINDS) [C] wrote: On Apr 12, 2011, at 3:23 AM, Matthew Feinberg wrote: ext4 does not seem to be fully baked in 5.6 yet. parted 1.8 does not support creating ext4

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Les Mikesell
On 4/12/11 6:37 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 04/12/2011 12:31 PM, Radu Gheorghiu wrote: I think you are avoiding the real issue here, again and again. It's not about ownership. It's not about taking ownership. It's about making the process open. A simple wiki page describing what you are

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Lars Hecking
OTOH, gparted doesn't see my software raid array either. Gparted it rather practical for regular plain vanilla partitions, but for more advanced stuff and filesystems, fdisk is probably better. For filersystems 2TB, you're better off grabbing a copy of GPT fdisk.

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread m . roth
Karanbir Singh wrote: On 04/12/2011 12:46 AM, Phil Schaffner wrote: If you have a way to do those predictive tests, in serial or parallel, I'm sure that would be a valuable contribution. The possible combinations quickly lead to a combinatorial explosion. Quite a large part of the

Re: [CentOS] 5.6 - SRPM's

2011-04-12 Thread Les Mikesell
On 4/12/11 7:48 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 04/12/2011 02:28 AM, Bob Hepple wrote: While I'm here - thanks to the whole CentOS team for a great effort on 5.6. I installed it on a laptop for the wife and she loves it!! For myself - once I've the sources get here I can start our patch and

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread m . roth
Rudi Ahlers wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Marian Marinov m...@yuhu.biz wrote: I'm managing machines with 30TB of storage for more then two years. And with good reporting and reaction we have never had to run fsck. However I'm sure that if you have to run fsck on so big file

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Sorin Srbu
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Lars Hecking Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 3:11 PM To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations OTOH, gparted doesn't see my software raid array either.

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 04/12/2011 07:24 AM, Dag Wieers wrote: On Tue, 12 Apr 2011, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 04/11/2011 05:07 PM, Dag Wieers wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: On 4/11/2011 4:02 PM, Ned Slider wrote: On 11/04/11 20:16, Digimer wrote: /putting on asbestos pants. each release is

Re: [CentOS] Best configuration for /var/www/html/

2011-04-12 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/2011 05:50 PM, Todd Cary wrote: For a long period of time, my Apache root directory has been /home/httpd. For security reasons, this is not so good as SELinux has informed me. Now all of the files have been copied to /var/www/etc

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Marian Marinov
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 16:20:22 m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Rudi Ahlers wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Marian Marinov m...@yuhu.biz wrote: I'm managing machines with 30TB of storage for more then two years. And with good reporting and reaction we have never had to run fsck.

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Markus Falb
On 12.4.2011 15:02, Marian Marinov wrote: On Tuesday 12 April 2011 15:56:54 rainer-rnrd0m5o0maboiyizis...@public.gmane.org wrote: Yes... but with such RAID10 solution you get only half of the disk space... so from 10 2TB drives you get only 10TB instead of 16TB with RAID6. From a

Re: [CentOS] Best configuration for /var/www/html/

2011-04-12 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 04/11/2011 04:50 PM, Todd Cary wrote: For a long period of time, my Apache root directory has been /home/httpd. For security reasons, this is not so good as SELinux has informed me. Now all of the files have been copied to /var/www/etc with owner and group root. The privileges are

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Markus Falb markus.f...@fasel.at wrote: On 12.4.2011 15:02, Marian Marinov wrote: On Tuesday 12 April 2011 15:56:54 rainer-rnrd0m5o0maboiyizis...@public.gmane.org wrote: Yes... but with such RAID10 solution you get only half of the disk space... so from

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Marian Marinov
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 16:48:14 Markus Falb wrote: On 12.4.2011 15:02, Marian Marinov wrote: On Tuesday 12 April 2011 15:56:54 rainer-rnrd0m5o0maboiyizis...@public.gmane.org wrote: Yes... but with such RAID10 solution you get only half of the disk space... so from 10 2TB drives you

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Lamar Owen
On Tuesday, April 12, 2011 09:30:43 AM Johnny Hughes wrote: They are instead Beta or Alpha and should not be used in production (IMHO) ... but everyone gets to control their own servers. Let me echo this, and state that the alpha and beta announcements I have seen from the SL team say the

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 02:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: There are pages in the wiki that already describe what we are doing right now. Really? Where do I look to see what has been tried with packages that are currently failing QA or not building yet? Or even what are the current time-consuming problems

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 02:11 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Let me *strongly* suggest that tests *should* be automated. Not only is it faster, but for regression tests, a human tester will miss occasional steps, where an automated set will guarantee every step is completed. there is a process and request

Re: [CentOS] Kerberos/LDAP authentication no more working in 5.6 ?

2011-04-12 Thread John Hodrien
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011, Alain Péan wrote: Hi John, Thnks for your answer. Here are the content of /etc/krb5.conf and klist -ke. I agree that there can be siomething missing, that was working before... The keytab isn't valid for the host as it doesn't contain a usable principal for doing a

Re: [CentOS] KVM resources?

2011-04-12 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 04/11/2011 08:58 AM, Jussi Hirvi wrote: On 11.4.2011 16.07, Torres, Giovanni (NIH/NINDS) [C] wrote: 5.6 version of the virtualization guide from RedHat includes Xen and KVM: Oh damn. I didn't notice the URL which said 5.2. Thanks.

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Boris Epstein
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:36 AM, Alain Péan alain.p...@lpp.polytechnique.fr wrote: Le 12/04/2011 09:23, Matthew Feinberg a écrit : Hello All I have a brand spanking new 40TB Hardware Raid6 array to play around with. I am looking for recommendations for which filesystem to use. I am

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread David Miller
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:56 AM, rai...@ultra-secure.de wrote: That's not the issue. The issue is rebuild-time. The longer it takes, the more likely is another failure in the array. With RAID6, this does not instantly kill your RAID, as with RAID5 - but I assume it will further decrease

Re: [CentOS] Kerberos/LDAP authentication no more working in 5.6 ?

2011-04-12 Thread John Hodrien
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011, Alain Péan wrote: Sorrry, little error with the output of klit -ke, because I am testing on a test AD domain at this moment. On the first machine, output is : # klist -ke Keytab name: FILE:/etc/krb5.keytab KVNO Principal

[CentOS] ksign: module signed with unknown public key

2011-04-12 Thread Lars Hecking
What's the correct way to deal with this? I've rebuilt a kernel with an additional patch for one particular module, but I'm trying to load the new module into a distribution kernel. I'm not planning to roll out the updated kernel package. ksign: module signed with unknown public key -

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, April 12, 2011 10:07 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 04/12/2011 02:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: There are pages in the wiki that already describe what we are doing right now. Really? Where do I look to see what has been tried with packages that are currently failing QA or not building

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread m . roth
Karanbir Singh wrote: On 04/12/2011 02:11 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Let me *strongly* suggest that tests *should* be automated. Not only is it faster, but for regression tests, a human tester will miss occasional steps, where an automated set will guarantee every step is completed. there

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Lamar Owen wrote: The only disagreement I would have with them is calling the alphas and betas 'releases.' But it's their distribution. Word release means anything send out to the wild. Like you would release some animal after you cured it's broken leg/wing. I think proper term for what

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread John Jasen
On 04/12/2011 10:21 AM, Boris Epstein wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:36 AM, Alain Péan alain.p...@lpp.polytechnique.fr mailto:alain.p...@lpp.polytechnique.fr wrote: snipped: two recommendations for XFS I would chime in with a dis-commendation for XFS. At my previous employer, two cases

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 03:33 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: RW: between work, and moving, and most of my stuff in storage at the moment while I house-hunt, and, oh, yes, worrying about whether we're working Friday, here with the US gov't I hear you, 38 hrs/week at dayjob, then 30hrs/week on CentOS and

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 03:31 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: How are you going to vet the stuff? The QA team will be responsible for that? For all the talk of giving others the exact tools to replicate a Centos distro - just how is the stuff produced by a zillion would be contributors (assuming they don't

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Les Mikesell
On 4/12/2011 9:07 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: There are pages in the wiki that already describe what we are doing right now. Really? Where do I look to see what has been tried with packages that are currently failing QA or not building yet? Or even what are the current time-consuming

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Marian Marinov
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 17:36:39 John Jasen wrote: On 04/12/2011 10:21 AM, Boris Epstein wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:36 AM, Alain Péan alain.p...@lpp.polytechnique.fr mailto:alain.p...@lpp.polytechnique.fr wrote: snipped: two recommendations for XFS I would chime in with a

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread m . roth
Karanbir Singh wrote: On 04/12/2011 03:33 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: RW: between work, and moving, and most of my stuff in storage at the moment while I house-hunt, and, oh, yes, worrying about whether we're working Friday, here with the US gov't I hear you, 38 hrs/week at dayjob, then

Re: [CentOS] Best configuration for /var/www/html/

2011-04-12 Thread Todd Cary
On 4/12/2011 6:56 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 04/11/2011 04:50 PM, Todd Cary wrote: For a long period of time, my Apache root directory has been /home/httpd. For security reasons, this is not so good as SELinux has informed me. Now all of the files have been copied to /var/www/etc with

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
hi, On 04/12/2011 04:02 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Sorry. Actually, here's a question along those lines: what are you testing - the build process, or the individual packages? At the moment there is automation around the process, not nearly as much as I'd like - but its there and it works

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Brunner, Brian T.
centos-boun...@centos.org wrote: I was really hoping for you to reply with something along the lines of 'there isnt enough info about the test process' or 'are there some templates that we can start with' etc. Those things I can try to do something about, finding you more time in the day is

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread James A. Peltier
- Original Message - | On Tuesday 12 April 2011 17:36:39 John Jasen wrote: | On 04/12/2011 10:21 AM, Boris Epstein wrote: | On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:36 AM, Alain Péan | alain.p...@lpp.polytechnique.fr | | mailto:alain.p...@lpp.polytechnique.fr wrote: | snipped: two

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Les Mikesell
On 4/12/2011 9:36 AM, John Jasen wrote: snipped: two recommendations for XFS I would chime in with a dis-commendation for XFS. At my previous employer, two cases involving XFS resulted in irrecoverable data corruption. These were on RAID systems running from 4 to 20 TB. Was this on a 32 or

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 04:01 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: The process is not the product. Exactly, and I don't see anyone complaining about the product - just wondering if some number of months could be shaved off the process. Fixing the timing of release is something we get from getting the process into

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 04:08 PM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote: centos-boun...@centos.org wrote: If compile/test servers are an issue, can we do for CentOS what we do for distributed Prime number/SETI computation serving? Not as far as I know, ensuring environ sanity across something of this nature would be

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread m . roth
Karanbir Singh wrote: On 04/12/2011 04:08 PM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote: centos-boun...@centos.org wrote: If compile/test servers are an issue, can we do for CentOS what we do for distributed Prime number/SETI computation serving? Not as far as I know, ensuring environ sanity across something

[CentOS] CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 74, Issue 3

2011-04-12 Thread centos-announce-request
/centos-announce/attachments/20110412/655a2dcf/attachment-0001.bin -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:20:50 +0200 From: Tru Huynh t...@centos.org Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2011:0422 Moderate CentOS 4 x86_64 postfix - security update (CENTOSPLUS Only

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
Hi Ned, On 04/11/2011 10:02 PM, Ned Slider wrote: each release is more complex than the last. The web of dependency grows, so the reverse-engineering takes longer and longer. This is just complete nonsense. You clearly have no understanding of the processes involved in rebuilding RHEL. CentOS

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 04:58 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Not as far as I know, ensuring environ sanity across something of this nature would be a massive issue. Not easy to solve, unless the environ as a whole is shipped out. Actually, that is what's needed, perhaps: a repeatable environment, not

Re: [CentOS] Kerberos/LDAP authentication no more working in 5.6 ?

2011-04-12 Thread Alain Péan
Le 12/04/2011 16:28, John Hodrien a écrit : On Tue, 12 Apr 2011, Alain Péan wrote: Sorrry, little error with the output of klit -ke, because I am testing on a test AD domain at this moment. On the first machine, output is : # klist -ke Keytab name: FILE:/etc/krb5.keytab KVNO Principal

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Brian Mathis
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: On 04/12/2011 04:01 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: The process is not the product. Exactly, and I don't see anyone complaining about the product - just wondering if some number of months could be shaved off the process.

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Keith Keller
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 06:00:57PM +0300, Marian Marinov wrote: Can someone(who actually knows) share with us, what is the state of xfs-utils, how stable and usable are they for recovery of broken XFS filesystems? I have done an XFS repair once or twice on a real filesystem (~4TB) in a

Re: [CentOS] Kerberos/LDAP authentication no more working in 5.6 ?

2011-04-12 Thread John Hodrien
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011, Alain Péan wrote: In fact, I solved the problem using the authconfig command, but I wonder if it is really correct, as I mixed kerberos and ldap. Here is the authconfig command for my test domain : Using kerberos and ldap is a perfectly reasonable thing to want to do, but

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:36:39AM -0400, John Jasen wrote: On 04/12/2011 10:21 AM, Boris Epstein wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:36 AM, Alain Péan alain.p...@lpp.polytechnique.fr mailto:alain.p...@lpp.polytechnique.fr wrote: snipped: two recommendations for XFS I would chime in with

Re: [CentOS] Kerberos/LDAP authentication no more working in 5.6 ?

2011-04-12 Thread Alain Péan
Le 12/04/2011 18:29, John Hodrien a écrit : On Tue, 12 Apr 2011, Alain Péan wrote: In fact, I solved the problem using the authconfig command, but I wonder if it is really correct, as I mixed kerberos and ldap. Here is the authconfig command for my test domain : Using kerberos and ldap is a

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 05:19 PM, Brian Mathis wrote: Fixing the timing of release is something we get from getting the process into the right place. And not the other way around. There seems NO ONE IS SAYING TO PUSH CRAP OUT THE DOOR JUST FOR THE SAKE OF GETTING IT OUT. EVERYONE IS SAYING TO OPEN THE

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/11/2011 10:27 PM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote: If it were me, wiser you are to listen to frogs and crickets. Dag is saying I want to help but your system is closed. Just to be clear, Dag isnt saying that at all. What he is saying is that 'I dont want to help by actually doing anything, but I

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Les Mikesell
On 4/12/2011 10:55 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: If compile/test servers are an issue, can we do for CentOS what we do for distributed Prime number/SETI computation serving? Not as far as I know, ensuring environ sanity across something of this nature would be a massive issue. Not easy to solve,

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 06:02 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 4/12/2011 10:55 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: If compile/test servers are an issue, can we do for CentOS what we do for distributed Prime number/SETI computation serving? Not as far as I know, ensuring environ sanity across something of this nature

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Les Mikesell
On 4/12/2011 12:04 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: If compile/test servers are an issue, can we do for CentOS what we do for distributed Prime number/SETI computation serving? Not as far as I know, ensuring environ sanity across something of this nature would be a massive issue. Not easy to

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/12/2011 06:14 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: I don't understand. That has been mentioned as the slow/hard part of the process. What is it that really takes months if not that? you did read my reply to this question of yours in a different part of the thread right ? - KB

Re: [CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread Les Mikesell
On 4/12/2011 12:00 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 04/12/2011 05:19 PM, Brian Mathis wrote: Fixing the timing of release is something we get from getting the process into the right place. And not the other way around. There seems NO ONE IS SAYING TO PUSH CRAP OUT THE DOOR JUST FOR THE SAKE OF

Re: [CentOS] 40TB File System Recommendations

2011-04-12 Thread aurfalien
On Apr 12, 2011, at 12:31 AM, John R Pierce wrote: On 04/12/11 12:23 AM, Matthew Feinberg wrote: Hello All I have a brand spanking new 40TB Hardware Raid6 array never mind file systems... is that one raid set?do you have any idea how LONG rebuilding that is going to take when there

[CentOS] How can a company help, officially?

2011-04-12 Thread R P Herrold
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: But Johnny's postings seem pretty insistent on never releasing the actual scripts in a form that can be used elsewhere or by anyone outside the project, so maybe a more productive approach would be some way of oh horse puckey, troll -- it is just

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