Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

2021-04-30 Thread Valeri Galtsev
> On Apr 29, 2021, at 11:55 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > On 4/29/21 8:51 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> but in the second case I can not put my reputation at stake and finish my >> phrase with "whatever works on RedHat Enterprise will work on CentOS". > Why do you think that? Are RHEL (and

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

2021-04-30 Thread Gionatan Danti
Il 2021-04-30 06:55 Gordon Messmer ha scritto: Why do you think that?  Are RHEL (and CentOS) point releases backward compatible or not?  If you trust point releases to work, why would you hesitate to trust a distribution that resembles an upcoming point release? Because it very often break

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

2021-04-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 4/30/21 4:32 AM, Gionatan Danti wrote: > Il 2021-04-30 06:55 Gordon Messmer ha scritto: >> Why do you think that?  Are RHEL (and CentOS) point releases backward >> compatible or not?  If you trust point releases to work, why would you >> hesitate to trust a distribution that resembles an

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

2021-04-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 4/30/21 2:32 AM, Gionatan Danti wrote: Don't get me wrong: I understand that Stream is the way forward and that things are not going to change, and this is fine. But trying to ignore the key differences (shorter support, unknown upgrade from Stream-8 to Stream-9, broken kABI, etc) is not

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

2021-04-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 4/30/21 6:19 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: Why do, you, people use “creative editing”? Cite the whole piece I said, and place your question there, don’t tear single phrase out of context. It's not "creative editing", it's quote trimming in a forum which provides threaded discussions.  It's

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

2021-04-30 Thread Gionatan Danti
Il 2021-04-30 16:26 Johnny Hughes ha scritto: On 4/30/21 4:32 AM, Gionatan Danti wrote: Il 2021-04-30 06:55 Gordon Messmer ha scritto: Why do you think that?  Are RHEL (and CentOS) point releases backward compatible or not?  If you trust point releases to work, why would you hesitate to

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

2021-04-30 Thread R C
. . . %< CentOS has *never* had support from Red Hat.  If you want to run a stable, supported production environment while you complete testing of a new minor release, you can get that from RHEL but not CentOS.  If you want to apply only security updates to a production environment to

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

2021-04-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 4/30/21 11:03 AM, R C wrote: CentOS has *never* had support from Red Hat. So what is it you expect?, get an enterprise quality OS for free, and also expect highly paid, expensive, engineers to support your need for assistance on a whim for free too? No, I think you've completely

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

2021-04-30 Thread R C
On 4/30/21 12:20 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 4/30/21 11:03 AM, R C wrote: CentOS has *never* had support from Red Hat. So what is it you expect?, get an enterprise quality OS for free, and also expect highly paid, expensive, engineers to support your need for assistance on a whim for free

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

2021-04-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 4/30/21 11:36 AM, R C wrote: No, I think you've completely missed the point that I was making, which was simply that criticism of CentOS Stream often mistakenly argues that because of the change, users of CentOS lose things that they never had to begin with. I don't know for sure if that

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

2021-04-30 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On 4/30/21 12:53 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 4/30/21 6:19 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: Why do, you, people use “creative editing”? Cite the whole piece I said, and place your question there, don’t tear single phrase out of context. It's not "creative editing", it's quote trimming in a forum

[CentOS] OT: Centos versions in the future?

2021-04-30 Thread Valeri Galtsev
This will be fully OT. On 4/30/21 12:53 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 4/30/21 6:19 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: Why do, you, people use “creative editing”? Cite the whole piece I said, and place your question there, don’t tear single phrase out of context. It's not "creative editing", it's

Re: [CentOS] [Slightly OT] video driver for NVIDIA Quadro

2021-04-30 Thread Anthony K
On 29/4/21 11:55 pm, R C wrote: ... I was able to build/compile the drivers with NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-460.73.01.run on 4.18.0-240.22.1.el8_3.x86_64, it gave me a warning about pkcfg, but no other warnings/errors and seem to install, however, after booting it still didn't use that driver, but

Re: [CentOS] ipforwarding between interfaces and firewall rules

2021-04-30 Thread Anthony K
On 26/4/21 8:42 am, R C wrote: ... for example; if I do "ping www.google.com"  I get a "ping www.google.com: Name or service not known"  If I use  an IP address (from www.google.com), it just works. Sometimes seeing the traffic flow reveals what's really going on. To that end, run command

Re: [CentOS] ipforwarding between interfaces and firewall rules

2021-04-30 Thread R C
from what I heard, nftables doesn't support forward rules yet, until RHEL/Centos 8.5   at this time it can be "resolved" using iptables as the firewall backend, but not nftables (which is not ideal, but ...  ) . Ron On 4/30/21 10:19 PM, Anthony K wrote: On 1/5/21 2:15 pm, Anthony K

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

2021-04-30 Thread Gionatan Danti
Il 2021-04-30 21:16 Gordon Messmer ha scritto: Critics of Stream often argue that CentOS users are losing support that CentOS never had to begin with.  Their argument implies that CentOS has aspects of RHEL that it does not.  They are not correct. From here [1]: "Since March 2004, CentOS Linux

Re: [CentOS] ipforwarding between interfaces and firewall rules

2021-04-30 Thread Anthony K
On 1/5/21 2:15 pm, Anthony K wrote: On 26/4/21 8:42 am, R C wrote: ... for example; if I do "ping www.google.com"  I get a "ping www.google.com: Name or service not known"  If I use  an IP address (from www.google.com), it just works. Sometimes seeing the traffic flow reveals what's really

Re: [CentOS] [Slightly OT] video driver for NVIDIA Quadro

2021-04-30 Thread Anthony K
On 1/5/21 3:53 pm, Anthony K wrote: On 29/4/21 11:55 pm, R C wrote: ... I was able to build/compile the drivers with NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-460.73.01.run on 4.18.0-240.22.1.el8_3.x86_64, it gave me a warning about pkcfg, but no other warnings/errors and seem to install, however, after booting

[CentOS-announce] CESA-2021:0617 Important CentOS 7 xterm Security Update

2021-04-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2021:0617 Important Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2021:0617 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64:

[CentOS-announce] CESA-2021:1297 Moderate CentOS 7 java-11-openjdk Security Update

2021-04-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2021:1297 Moderate Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2021:1297 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64:

[CentOS-announce] CESA-2021:1298 Moderate CentOS 7 java-1.8.0-openjdk Security Update

2021-04-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2021:1298 Moderate Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2021:1298 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64:

[CentOS-announce] CESA-2021:1354 Important CentOS 7 xstream Security Update

2021-04-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2021:1354 Important Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2021:1354 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64:

[CentOS-announce] CEBA-2021:1398 CentOS 7 firewalld BugFix Update

2021-04-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2021:1398 Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2021:1398 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64:

[CentOS-announce] CEBA-2021:1386 CentOS 7 lvm2 BugFix Update

2021-04-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2021:1386 Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2021:1386 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64:

[CentOS-announce] CEBA-2020:3987 CentOS 7 control-center BugFix Update

2021-04-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2020:3987 Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2020:3987 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64:

[CentOS-announce] CEBA-2021:1383 CentOS 7 scap-security-guide BugFix Update

2021-04-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2021:1383 Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2021:1383 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64:

[CentOS-announce] CESA-2020:4076 Moderate CentOS 7 nss Security Update

2021-04-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2020:4076 Moderate Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2020:4076 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64:

[CentOS-announce] CESA-2021:1469 Important CentOS 7 bind Security Update

2021-04-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2021:1469 Important Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2021:1469 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64:

[CentOS-announce] CEBA-2021:1385 CentOS 7 sos BugFix Update

2021-04-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2021:1385 Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2021:1385 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64:

[CentOS-docs] [centos/centos.org] branch master updated (1864043 -> f6896eb)

2021-04-30 Thread git
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[CentOS-docs] [centos/centos.org] 01/01: Merge #100 `Calendar updates`

2021-04-30 Thread git
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