Buenas:
Tengo un pequeño problema con las rutas estáticas:
Se que para qeu estén fijos, es decir, qeu si reinicio las rutas sigan
continuando, tengo qeu añadirlas al siguiente fichero:
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/route-intfz
Lo que no comprendo es cómo tengo que hacerlo, he estado leyendo
Reenvío la topología de red que ha salido fatal en el primer correo.
==RED=Router=REDRouter ===
=10.0.1.0-10.0.1.254 10.0.2.254-10.0.2.0 10.0.2.253..10.0.3.254
El 18/10/10 11:44, Monica BM escribió:
Hola Monica!
Tengo un pequeño problema con las rutas estáticas:
Se que para qeu estén fijos, es decir, qeu si reinicio las rutas sigan
continuando, tengo qeu añadirlas al siguiente fichero:
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/route-intfz
(..)
por línea
Muchas gracias!!
Ya había probado con lo de vía, pero no me reconocía lo de via, aunqeu no puse
el dev!!
Haré las pruebas correspondientes y te comento.
Un saludo.
- Mensaje original
De: Santi Saez santis...@woop.es
Para: centos-es@centos.org
Enviado: lun,18 octubre, 2010 12:36
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Ritika Garg ritikagar...@gmail.com wrote:
During installation if due to some reason one wants to abort the
installation then is the only way to do it is to switch off the system by
pressing the power button, then switch on by pressing the power button and
Hi!
We have encountered a rather weird problem on a machine that we use for
our network latency check (smokeping with fping).
For an hour (or so) after boot it reports the ping time with a
microsecond accuracy (ad it should).
Then the millisecond accuracy starts.
We have yet to identify the
nfsstat
nfswatch
Am 18.10.10 05:19, schrieb Fajar Priyanto:
Hi all,
Is there any tool we can use to see on NFS:
1. What files are being accessed
2. The performance (bandwidth, etc)
Thank you.
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On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Juergen Gotteswinter j...@internetx.de wrote:
nfsstat
nfswatch
Thanks Juegen, that looks good.
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On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 01:33, Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 12:30:11AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 23:57, Robert Heller hel...@deepsoft.com wrote:
Quoting from Highlander: There can be only one.
I have to read that! I'm in the middle
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 05:45, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
You can use specific 'Listen' directives for apache instead of the usual *:80.
The java app will probably have an equivalent config or command line option.
Thanks, Les, that is what I needed to know. The JAva app is all
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Devin Reade g...@gno.org wrote:
Rudi Ahlers r...@softdux.com wrote:
I want to use a laptop as a KVM console.
[snip]
Other people have pointed out KVM-over-IP devices for your legacy or
low end machines (ALOM/iLO/DRAC/whatever is still cheaper for
Hello,
I see that ext4 is now available for CentOS 5.5
Is there any general opinion about it? Is it as good on 2.6.18 based kernels as
it is good on newer kernels?
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http://jure.pecar.org
http://f5j.eu
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On 10/16/2010 08:51 AM, Ritika Garg wrote:
Before doing yum update on system which has CentOS5.3, I gave yum
list updates but the following message comes:
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror
Determining fastest mirrors
Could not retrieve mirrorlist
Hello all,
I have looked around on the HCL and on other hardware sites.
Do any of you have experience with Centos 5.5 64 bit on these motherboards?
Regards,
Coert Waagmeester
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There was no proxy in the file /etc/yum.conf. I specified the proxy setting
and now yum list updates is working. A part of the output was:
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror
Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
* base: centos.01link.hk
* updates: centos.01link.hk
* addons: centos.01link.hk
*
we evaluated this board but instead decided to go with the SuperMicro X8SIL-F.
It doesn't support the core i5 and core i7 but it has VGA and there are Xeon
parts that match the core i5 and core i7 specs.
-Original Message-
From: centos-boun...@centos.org
Hello, all.
My system is centos 5.x and I would like to set IP based (acl) accessl-list at
snmp verison 3.
As I know, at snmp v1/v2c, we can set acl like below.
-- snmpd.conf
rocommunity public 127.0.0.1
rocommunity public 10.0.0.1/24
rouser testuser
createUser testuser MD5
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
There's progress...
http://press.redhat.com/2010/10/18/red-hat-enterprise-linux-6-release-candidate-available-to-partners/
Cheers,
Timo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux)
+1 can't wait
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Timo Schoeler
timo.schoe...@riscworks.netwrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
There's progress...
http://press.redhat.com/2010/10/18/red-hat-enterprise-linux-6-release-candidate-available-to-partners/
Cheers,
Timo
Hi,
we use it on a few servers (audio, firewire, etc. are disabled in bios)
with cpu i5-750 without any problems. But we don't use graphical
interface, mostly there is apache, mysql, php, postfix ... nothing special.
JJ
Dne 18.10.2010 11:05, Coert Waagmeester napsal(a):
Hello all,
I have
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
awill...@whitemice.org wrote:
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 18:41 -0400, Boris Epstein wrote:
Hello listmates,
I know this may sound stupid... but I am trying to set up a
firewall/filter/forwarder using CentOS 5.5 machine as a platform and I
am
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Ritika Garg ritikagar...@gmail.com wrote:
There was no proxy in the file /etc/yum.conf. I specified the proxy setting
and now yum list updates is working. A part of the output was:
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror
Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
*
Timo Schoeler wrote:
There's progress...
http://press.redhat.com/2010/10/18/red-hat-enterprise-linux-6-release-candidate-available-to-partners/
Cheers,
Timo
Available to partners? Aren't RH obliged to release the source as usual?
Cheers,
Deyan
--
Deyan Stoykov,
Hello,
Is there any command / option available on CentOS to expire a user's
password immediately ? I remember using passwd -e on some other
distribution but the -e option does not seem to be present on CentOS
5.x.
Thanks,
Manish
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2010/10/18 Manish Kathuria mkathu...@tuxtechnologies.co.in:
Hello,
Is there any command / option available on CentOS to expire a user's
password immediately ? I remember using passwd -e on some other
distribution but the -e option does not seem to be present on CentOS
5.x.
See:
i need to encode .c files to html, like on this website:
http://centricle.com/tools/html-entities/
i tried to write a bash script for it:
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=mZKAw4c5
but it's not working very well :D
does anyone has a script, that does this?
thank you :\
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:27:15 +0100, you wrote:
On 16/10/10 18:07, Peter Crighton wrote:
I'm trying to install the Adaptec Storage Manager for the 21610SA SATA
RAID controller on Centos 5.5.
rpm reports that it failed on the dependency on
libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2
yum provides
I had the same thought a couple years ago. I found a device from a
company out of the UK called Epiphan. They make a small box that
connects via usb 2.0 (required) and acts as a KVM. Essentially it
streams across USB. They make drivers for both Windows and Mac and they
have a Linux SDK but
Jozsef Vadkan wrote:
i need to encode .c files to html, like on this website:
http://centricle.com/tools/html-entities/
i tried to write a bash script for it:
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=mZKAw4c5
but it's not working very well :D
does anyone has a script, that does this?
I don't
Peter Crighton wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:27:15 +0100, you wrote:
On 16/10/10 18:07, Peter Crighton wrote:
I'm trying to install the Adaptec Storage Manager for the 21610SA SATA
RAID controller on Centos 5.5.
rpm reports that it failed on the dependency on
libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2
yum
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 09:42:59PM +0530, Manish Kathuria wrote:
Hello,
Is there any command / option available on CentOS to expire a user's
password immediately ? I remember using passwd -e on some other
distribution but the -e option does not seem to be present on CentOS
5.x.
passwd -l
On 10/18/2010 12:34 PM, Jozsef Vadkan wrote:
i need to encode .c files to html, like on this website:
http://centricle.com/tools/html-entities/
i tried to write a bash script for it:
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=mZKAw4c5
but it's not working very well :D
does anyone has a script, that
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Akemi Yagi amy...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Negative negativebinom...@gmail.com
wrote:
I have a Centos 5.5 on an AMD 64 system (Athlon II x2 250).
I caught up on updates today, including
-- kernel 2.6.18-194.17.1.el5
-- glibc
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 09:42:59PM +0530, Manish Kathuria wrote:
Is there any command / option available on CentOS to expire a user's
password immediately ? I remember using passwd -e on some other
distribution but the
Howdy,
Yeah, this issue’s been brought up in the past. One of the maintainer of FC 13
made the srpm available (I believe he prepped the spec file) for RHEL/CentOS 5
for dhcpd 4.1. We started looking at it and the problems are the dependencies
and the dependencies of the dependencies.
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010, Ausmus, Matt wrote:
Yeah, this issue’s been brought up in the past. One of the
maintainer of FC 13 made the srpm available (I believe he
prepped the spec file) for RHEL/CentOS 5 for dhcpd 4.1. We
started looking at it and the problems are the dependencies
and the
Ausmus, Matt wrote, On 10/18/2010 01:11 PM:
Howdy,
SNIP
We’ve found the problem is generally caused by the time being out of
sync between the servers or the dhcpd daemon on one of the boxes dies.
NTP does not keep them closely enough synchronized?
OH, and in case you were not aware
On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 17:35 +0100, Peter Crighton wrote:
Unfortunately not.
This is the contents of /usr/lib:
r...@backup lib]# ll libstdc*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 262092 Jan 6 2007
libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Oct 18 17:23 libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 -
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 01:46, Ryan Wagoner rswago...@gmail.com wrote:
You will want to check your DNS and try to telnet to the server. If
your server is behind NAT or you run split-dns it would be advisable
to try it from another connection.
dig mx yourdomain.com
telnet smtp.yourdomain.com
Am 18.10.2010 22:02, schrieb Dotan Cohen:
On the server, it looks like everything is running as it should:
[r...@mercury ~]# service postfix status
master (pid 31800) is running...
[r...@mercury ~]# service dovecot status
dovecot (pid 29751) is running...
[r...@mercury ~]# netstat -anp
How do I find out who is the maintainer of the php-pgsql package, please?
I want to request upgrade from underlying postgresql-libs-8.1.21
(/usr/lib64/libpq.so.4) to postgresql84-libs-8.4.4 (/usr/lib64/libpq.so.5.2).
Background on this request: Apache httpd's php's php-pgsql uses
PostgreSQL 8.1
On 10/18/2010 02:08 PM, Aleksey Tsalolikhin wrote:
How do I find out who is the maintainer of the php-pgsql package, please?
I want to request upgrade from underlying postgresql-libs-8.1.21
(/usr/lib64/libpq.so.4) to postgresql84-libs-8.4.4 (/usr/lib64/libpq.so.5.2).
Background on this
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 22:06, Alexander Dalloz ad+li...@uni-x.org wrote:
The daemon is bound to localhost only.
Yes, that would be a problem!
What could I be missing? The logs are clean.
postconf -e 'inet_interfaces = all'
service postfix restart
Thanks! However, even after the change
Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 22:06, Alexander Dalloz ad+li...@uni-x.org
wrote:
snip
Thanks! However, even after the change and confirming that postfix is
listening properly:
snip
I still cannot cannot connect with telnet:
âdcl:~$ telnet sharingcenter.eu 25
Trying
On 10/18/10 1:08 PM, Aleksey Tsalolikhin wrote:
How do I find out who is the maintainer of the php-pgsql package, please?
that would be redhat.
I want to request upgrade from underlying postgresql-libs-8.1.21
(/usr/lib64/libpq.so.4) to postgresql84-libs-8.4.4 (/usr/lib64/libpq.so.5.2).
not
On 10/18/2010 04:18 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 22:06, Alexander Dallozad+li...@uni-x.org wrote:
The daemon is bound to localhost only.
Yes, that would be a problem!
What could I be missing? The logs are clean.
postconf -e 'inet_interfaces = all'
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 01:21:58PM -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
On 10/18/10 1:08 PM, Aleksey Tsalolikhin wrote:
How do I find out who is the maintainer of the php-pgsql package, please?
that would be redhat.
I want to request upgrade from underlying postgresql-libs-8.1.21
No, I should have mentioned that the firewall is open:
[r...@mercury public_html]# iptables -L -n -v
Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes)
pkts bytes target prot opt in out source
destination
Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes)
pkts bytes target prot opt
Kevin Kempter: Thank you for Devrim's name as the maintainer of php-pgsql.
John: You wrote:
use the Postgres 8.4 RPMs from http://yum.pgrpms.org/ along with the
compat-postgresql-libs package (from the same repository), which hooks the
libpq.so.4 stuff that the stock EL5 clients like
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 22:34, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote:
Hmm... I am not having any problem connecting from the U.S.
ping 178.63.65.136
PING 178.63.65.136 (178.63.65.136) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 178.63.65.136: icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=140 ms
64 bytes from
Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 22:34, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote:
Hmm... I am not having any problem connecting from the U.S.
snip
telnet 178.63.65.136 25
Trying 178.63.65.136...
Connected to 178.63.65.136.
Escape character is '^]'.
^]
telnet close
Connection
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 22:47, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Bingo! DNS.
No, even on the IP address telnet won't answer on port 25:
✈dcl:~$ telnet 178.63.65.188 25
Trying 178.63.65.188...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
✈dcl:~$
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On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 22:38 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Exactly the problem! It pings fine (so I know that connections can be
established over the physical wires) and on the IP address telnet
answers. However, telnet to port 25 (smtp) with the domain name fails.
Why could that be?
---
Why
On 10/18/2010 3:38 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 22:34, Steve Clarkscl...@netwolves.com wrote:
Hmm... I am not having any problem connecting from the U.S.
ping 178.63.65.136
PING 178.63.65.136 (178.63.65.136) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 178.63.65.136: icmp_seq=1
Am 18.10.2010 22:38, schrieb Dotan Cohen:
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 22:34, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote:
Hmm... I am not having any problem connecting from the U.S.
ping 178.63.65.136
PING 178.63.65.136 (178.63.65.136) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 178.63.65.136: icmp_seq=1
On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 16:55 -0400, JohnS wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 22:38 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Exactly the problem! It pings fine (so I know that connections can be
established over the physical wires) and on the IP address telnet
answers. However, telnet to port 25 (smtp) with
I see now, since the last postfix restart the log is filling up with these:
Oct 18 22:59:42 mercury postfix/smtpd[11318]: fatal: open database
/etc/aliases.db: No such file or directory
Oct 18 22:59:43 mercury postfix/master[7816]: warning: process
/usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 11318 exit status
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 22:55, Todd Denniston
todd.dennis...@tsb.cranrdte.navy.mil wrote:
are you coming to it from a 178.63.65.* or from a private IP (even if through
a NAT)?
No, I'm pinging and telnetting in from another country!
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On 10/18/10 2:08 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I see now, since the last postfix restart the log is filling up with these:
Oct 18 22:59:42 mercury postfix/smtpd[11318]: fatal: open database
/etc/aliases.db: No such file or directory
Oct 18 22:59:43 mercury postfix/master[7816]: warning: process
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:08:37PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I see now, since the last postfix restart the log is filling up with these:
Oct 18 22:59:42 mercury postfix/smtpd[11318]: fatal: open database
/etc/aliases.db: No such file or directory
Well, see if you have an /etc/aliases, which
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 22:59, Alexander Dalloz ad+li...@uni-x.org wrote:
By any chance, did you bring down loopback or destroyed the localhost
mapping in /etc/hosts? Or you have something broken in your main.cf.
Post the output of postconf -n.
No, loopback works and there's nothing unusual
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 05:15:52PM -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:08:37PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I see now, since the last postfix restart the log is filling up with these:
Oct 18 22:59:42 mercury postfix/smtpd[11318]: fatal: open database
/etc/aliases.db: No
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 23:15, Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
Well, see if you have an /etc/aliases, which you should, even if it's a
defaut. Then just run newaliases which will create an /etc/aliases.db
The issues may be elsewhere, but get rid of that one.
Well, I tried:
Seeing how postfix could not access /etc/aliases I tried loosening
the permissions, but still no luck:
[r...@mercury ~]# chmod +rx /etc/aliases
[r...@mercury ~]# newaliases
[r...@mercury ~]# ls -l /etc/aliases
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1512 Apr 25 2005 /etc/aliases
[r...@mercury ~]# service
Am 18.10.2010 23:22, schrieb Dotan Cohen:
Well, I tried:
[r...@mercury ~]# ls -l /etc/aliases
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1512 Apr 25 2005 /etc/aliases
[r...@mercury ~]# newaliases
[r...@mercury ~]# service postfix restart
Shutting down postfix: [ OK ]
Am 18.10.2010 23:31, schrieb Dotan Cohen:
Seeing how postfix could not access /etc/aliases I tried loosening
the permissions, but still no luck:
[r...@mercury ~]# chmod +rx /etc/aliases
It is *NOT* the /etc/aliases plain text file Postfix tries to read in at
startup. It is the hashed map
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 23:31, Alexander Dalloz ad+li...@uni-x.org wrote:
Sendmail is still the default on CentOS. So to switch to Postfix you
will have to use the mechanism to relink - using alternatives.
What prints out: alternatives --display mta
You found it!
[r...@mercury ~]#
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Done! I then restarted postfix and there seem to be no new errors in
the logs. However, I still cannot telnet into port 25:
✈dcl:~$ telnet mail.sharingcenter.eu 25
Trying 178.63.65.136...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
On 10/18/10 2:22 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 23:15, Scott Robbinsscot...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
Well, see if you have an /etc/aliases, which you should, even if it's a
defaut. Then just run newaliases which will create an /etc/aliases.db
The issues may be elsewhere, but get
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 23:46, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
no kidding. look at that log, it didn't start. (last 3 lines
notwithstanding, every else there looks like 'error' to me)
Yes, those error were before I removed sendmail from the default config.
Even though it seems to be
I'm getting tired of converting spreadsheets that someone else updates
to csv so my perl scripts can push the data into a mysql database. Is
there a better way? I haven't had much luck with
perl-Spreadsheet-ParseExcel (and find it odd that yum prefers the .32
version from epel over .57 from
On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 17:13 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
I'm getting tired of converting spreadsheets that someone else updates
to csv so my perl scripts can push the data into a mysql database. Is
there a better way? I haven't had much luck with
perl-Spreadsheet-ParseExcel (and find it
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
I'm getting tired of converting spreadsheets that someone else updates
to csv so my perl scripts can push the data into a mysql database. Is
there a better way? I haven't had much luck with
perl-Spreadsheet-ParseExcel (and find it odd that yum prefers
On 10/18/2010 5:31 PM, JohnS wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 17:13 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
I'm getting tired of converting spreadsheets that someone else updates
to csv so my perl scripts can push the data into a mysql database. Is
there a better way? I haven't had much luck with
On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 17:54 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
On 10/18/2010 5:31 PM, JohnS wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 17:13 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
I'm getting tired of converting spreadsheets that someone else updates
to csv so my perl scripts can push the data into a mysql database. Is
On 10/18/2010 6:16 PM, JohnS wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 17:54 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
On 10/18/2010 5:31 PM, JohnS wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 17:13 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
I'm getting tired of converting spreadsheets that someone else updates
to csv so my perl scripts can push the
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm getting tired of converting spreadsheets that someone else updates
to csv so my perl scripts can push the data into a mysql database. Is
there a better way? I haven't had much luck with
perl-Spreadsheet-ParseExcel
Hi. A friend of mine was doing real-time video decoding on
Fedora Core 13 and he had a performance glitch (1/2 a second
freeze) every 5-10 seconds. top showed flush-253:0
process at the moment of the freeze.
Major device number 253 corresponds to device-mapper. I advised my
friend to re-install
Yes, those error were before I removed sendmail from the default config.
Even though it seems to be answering on post 25 now, mail sent to an
account there from Gmail are not being received. No errors in the
logs.
--
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stupid's question: what happens if you disable selinux?
On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 18:25 -0700, Aleksey Tsalolikhin wrote:
Hi. A friend of mine was doing real-time video decoding on
Fedora Core 13 and he had a performance glitch (1/2 a second
freeze) every 5-10 seconds. top showed flush-253:0
process at the moment of the freeze.
And what is the
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