[CentOS-es] Sobre YUM.

2011-02-21 Thread Yoinier Hernandez Nieves
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Tengo una PC con Fedora 14 a la que le instale mrepo.

Ahora, genere el repositorio de centos en esa maquina, pero cuando
consulto a cualquiera de de los repositorios desde uno de mis
servidores, me dice:

http://repo.lt.minaz.cu/mrepo/centos5-i386/RPMS.updates/repodata/primary.xml.gz:
[Errno -3] Error performing checksum
Trying other mirror.
Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from updates: [Errno 256] No
more mirrors to try.

que puede estar pasando??


Gracias de antemano.

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[CentOS-es] Virtualizacion y HA

2011-02-21 Thread Claudio Ceballos Paz
Hola.
Estoy armando dos servidores fisicos con 3 maquinas virtuales cada uno kvm,
y quiero ponerlos en HA y failover. En una MV voy a tener samba, en otro
apache, y en otro Windows con Active Directory.
Que recomiendan? piranha? u otra solucion?
Saludos, Claudio.
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.5 Java Process Death

2011-02-21 Thread Martin Hewitt
After 3 days of continual operation ( I barely managed 9hrs before )
it seems I have narrowed this down to the saddeningly basic cause of
the process being sent the SIGHUP signal when its owner process dies.

Using the nohup prefix solves the problem.

Thanks for all the help on this everyone!

Martin

On 19 February 2011 02:18, Anthony akcen...@anroet.com wrote:
  On 18/02/11 20:49, Michael Gliwinski wrote:

 Try adding 'nohup' before 'java'.  Closing SSH session closes the shell which
 sends HUP to its children.
 I religiously use 'screen' when logging in remotely to do any work.  Not
 only has saved me from interrupted work the connection breaks, but it is
 also saves me from having to remember to use 'nohup' before starting any
 Jobs!

 Ciao,
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[CentOS] Basic Bash Script Question

2011-02-21 Thread James Bensley
I'm stuck trying to work this one out and my Google skills are
apparently lacking today.

This is a test bash script;

#!/bin/bash

do something | tee a.log

if [ $? -ne 0]; then
 echo broken
fi

The problem with this script is $? contains the exit value of the tee
command, but I want to check the exit value of whatever command I put
in place of 'do something'.

How can I achieve this without loosing the tee operation, as 'do
something' maybe a long running command with a lot of output like
rsync?

I don't want to;
result=`do something`
if [ $? -ne 0...

fi
echo $result

As that won't output anything until the script has finished (the
reason for the tee is that this script will be a scheduled cron tab
but it may be run interactively sometimes also).

Thanks for reading :)

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Re: [CentOS] Basic Bash Script Question

2011-02-21 Thread Philippe Naudin
Le lun 21 fév 2011 10:31:38 CET, James Bensley a écrit:

 I'm stuck trying to work this one out and my Google skills are
 apparently lacking today.
 
 This is a test bash script;
 
 #!/bin/bash
 
 do something | tee a.log
 
 if [ $? -ne 0]; then
  echo broken
 fi

What about :

{ do something ; RETCODE=$? ; } | tee somefile
echo $RETCODE

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Re: [CentOS] Basic Bash Script Question

2011-02-21 Thread Pascal
2011/2/21 James Bensley jwbens...@gmail.com:

 I'm stuck trying to work this one out and my Google skills are
 apparently lacking today.

 This is a test bash script;

 #!/bin/bash

 do something | tee a.log

 if [ $? -ne 0]; then
  echo broken
 fi

 The problem with this script is $? contains the exit value of the tee
 command, but I want to check the exit value of whatever command I put
 in place of 'do something'.

 How can I achieve this without loosing the tee operation, as 'do
 something' maybe a long running command with a lot of output like
 rsync?

 I don't want to;
 result=`do something`
 if [ $? -ne 0...
 
 fi
 echo $result

man bash

search for Pipelines, pipefail and PIPESTATUS.

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Re: [CentOS] Basic Bash Script Question

2011-02-21 Thread James Bensley
On 21 February 2011 11:05, Pascal pax...@gmail.com wrote:
 man bash

 search for Pipelines, pipefail and PIPESTATUS.

Great, thanks for that, pipefail is exactly what I need :)

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

2011-02-21 Thread Dag Wieers
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Johnny Hughes wrote:

 On 02/20/2011 07:30 PM, Dag Wieers wrote:
 On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, Johnny Hughes wrote:

 On 02/16/2011 04:31 AM, David Sommerseth wrote:
 On 15/02/11 17:25, Gilbert Sebenste wrote:
 Let's see. 7 weeks after a RHEL release, we have:

 For RHEL6, lets make that 14 weeks.  And RHEL5.6 got released 9 weeks after
 RHEL6.

 The FIRST build of a distribution (the .0 of 4.0 or 5.0) takes MUCH
 longer than the subsequent rebuilds.  This is because you have NOTHING
 to start from except SRPMS.  You also do not know the environment that
 upstream is using to run their Build Roots in.  We also know nothing
 about which packages will and will not build as written (there are many
 that require us to research and provide hints to the build suystem.
 Hints are things that need to be added that are not called out in the SRPM).

 CentOS 4.0 was released 23 days after RHEL4.0
 CentOS 5.0 was released 29 days after RHEL5.0
 CentOS 6.0 is *not* released 103 days after RHEL6.0

 Source: wikipedia

 Granted, RHEL6 is larger than RHEL5 which was larger than RHEL4, still...

 PS And this time I am not off-by-1 (month) ;-)

 It is not done, I don't know when it will be done.  All the jumping up
 and down and screaming is not going to get it done any sooner.

I am not sure where you got that information, but I wasn't jumping up and 
down and screaming ;-)


 On the initial pass through builder for C4, maybe 30 packages needed to
 be fixed because the links were bad.

 On the initial pass through builder for c5, maybe 20 packages needed to
 be fixed.

 On the initial pass through builder for c6, there are hundreds of
 packages that need to be analyzed.

So you are now saying that you cannot scale out this work to more people 
to release faster ? This is something that has to be done by Karanbir only ?

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

2011-02-21 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Dag Wieers d...@wieers.com wrote:
 On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Johnny Hughes wrote:

 On the initial pass through builder for c6, there are hundreds of
 packages that need to be analyzed.

 So you are now saying that you cannot scale out this work to more people
 to release faster ? This is something that has to be done by Karanbir only ?

Unless we're willing to re-invent the particular wheel being used for
CentOS 6, apparently yes. By the time I'm done rebuilding that in *my*
copious free time, well, the time burnt on efforts that are awkward to
submit as updates or patches to the existing process due to its closed
nature is time I could have pursued a dozen other projects with.
(Trying to build ActiveMQ under RHEL for RPM bundling right now: that
is *nasty* work, it's worse than Perl modules with too many bleeding
edge component dependencies!!!)
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[CentOS] java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64 keeps clobbering logging.properties

2011-02-21 Thread Jason Pyeron

It appears that the rpm does not list the logging.properties as a config file,
as such every time yum updates the file get overwritten.

/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0.x86_64/jre/lib/logging.properties

For now I have a cron job to replace it.

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

2011-02-21 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 02/21/2011 03:28 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
 On the initial pass through builder for c6, there are hundreds of
 packages that need to be analyzed.

Johnny said something...

 So you are now saying that you cannot scale out this work to more people
 to release faster ? This is something that has to be done by Karanbir only ?

Dag turns it around into something else completely.

 Unless we're willing to re-invent the particular wheel being used for
 CentOS 6, apparently yes. By the time I'm done rebuilding that in *my*

Nico add some more, maybe relevant, juice.

So let me clear this up a bit - there are a few hundred packages still 
needing attention, its possible there is something fundamental that is 
broken - and I am seriously hoping that the work that dozens of people 
have done already and continue to do so ( look at the patch / reporters 
list on bugs.c.o ) against CentOS-6 isnt overlooked. Because they are 
not visible, does not automatically make them irrelevant. If we do hit a 
situation wherein thousands of lines of code need to be reviewed, trust 
me - its not going to be me doing it. Its going to *need* to be atleast 
a few dozen people.

I, for one, am quite grateful to the many people who did actually take 
up the call for help and do something about it.

on the other hand, I'm not getting involved in this thread beyond this 
post, its mostly irrelevant to anything that is going on at the moment.

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

2011-02-21 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 02/21/2011 08:33 AM, Dag Wieers wrote:
 On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Johnny Hughes wrote:
 
 On 02/20/2011 07:30 PM, Dag Wieers wrote:
 On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, Johnny Hughes wrote:

 On 02/16/2011 04:31 AM, David Sommerseth wrote:
 On 15/02/11 17:25, Gilbert Sebenste wrote:
 Let's see. 7 weeks after a RHEL release, we have:

 For RHEL6, lets make that 14 weeks.  And RHEL5.6 got released 9 weeks 
 after
 RHEL6.

 The FIRST build of a distribution (the .0 of 4.0 or 5.0) takes MUCH
 longer than the subsequent rebuilds.  This is because you have NOTHING
 to start from except SRPMS.  You also do not know the environment that
 upstream is using to run their Build Roots in.  We also know nothing
 about which packages will and will not build as written (there are many
 that require us to research and provide hints to the build suystem.
 Hints are things that need to be added that are not called out in the 
 SRPM).

 CentOS 4.0 was released 23 days after RHEL4.0
 CentOS 5.0 was released 29 days after RHEL5.0
 CentOS 6.0 is *not* released 103 days after RHEL6.0

 Source: wikipedia

 Granted, RHEL6 is larger than RHEL5 which was larger than RHEL4, still...

 PS And this time I am not off-by-1 (month) ;-)

 It is not done, I don't know when it will be done.  All the jumping up
 and down and screaming is not going to get it done any sooner.
 
 I am not sure where you got that information, but I wasn't jumping up and 
 down and screaming ;-)
 
 
 On the initial pass through builder for C4, maybe 30 packages needed to
 be fixed because the links were bad.

 On the initial pass through builder for c5, maybe 20 packages needed to
 be fixed.

 On the initial pass through builder for c6, there are hundreds of
 packages that need to be analyzed.
 
 So you are now saying that you cannot scale out this work to more people 
 to release faster ? This is something that has to be done by Karanbir only ?
 
Dag,

The packages have to be built in a specific order, preferably the order
that they are originally produced in, so that they can be linked
properly.  Package A builds, then Package B, then Package C.  If package
B is broken, it needs to be fixed, then Package C needs to be built, etc.

This is not something that can be done by several people at the same
time in parallel, no.  Not and be done correctly.

This is very complex to bootstrap an OS from the beginning when upstream
does not provide all the build requirements in one repo.

I am not sure what you want ... mabye you should try building it
yourself and see how easy or hard it is.

Seeing as how we are currently dealing with 2 trees in the QA directory
for testing right now (4.9 and 5.6) ... 6.0 will be waiting until we get
those out of QA.




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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

2011-02-21 Thread Les Mikesell
On 2/21/11 10:35 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:

 So you are now saying that you cannot scale out this work to more people
 to release faster ? This is something that has to be done by Karanbir only ?

 Dag,

 The packages have to be built in a specific order, preferably the order
 that they are originally produced in, so that they can be linked
 properly.  Package A builds, then Package B, then Package C.  If package
 B is broken, it needs to be fixed, then Package C needs to be built, etc.

 This is not something that can be done by several people at the same
 time in parallel, no.  Not and be done correctly.

Couldn't the process be wrapped into a matrix build in Hudson (or now Jenkins) 
across a large farm of build slaves with a list of successful builds falling 
out 
at the end?  For at least the set of things that succeed in one of the common 
environments...

 Seeing as how we are currently dealing with 2 trees in the QA directory
 for testing right now (4.9 and 5.6) ... 6.0 will be waiting until we get
 those out of QA.

So you are constrained by workspace?  Or number of people involved?  And you 
don't see that as a problem that could be corrected?

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

2011-02-21 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 02/21/2011 11:08 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
 On 2/21/11 10:35 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:

 So you are now saying that you cannot scale out this work to more people
 to release faster ? This is something that has to be done by Karanbir only ?

 Dag,

 The packages have to be built in a specific order, preferably the order
 that they are originally produced in, so that they can be linked
 properly.  Package A builds, then Package B, then Package C.  If package
 B is broken, it needs to be fixed, then Package C needs to be built, etc.

 This is not something that can be done by several people at the same
 time in parallel, no.  Not and be done correctly.
 
 Couldn't the process be wrapped into a matrix build in Hudson (or now 
 Jenkins) 
 across a large farm of build slaves with a list of successful builds falling 
 out 
 at the end?  For at least the set of things that succeed in one of the common 
 environments...
 
 Seeing as how we are currently dealing with 2 trees in the QA directory
 for testing right now (4.9 and 5.6) ... 6.0 will be waiting until we get
 those out of QA.
 
 So you are constrained by workspace?  Or number of people involved?  And you 
 don't see that as a problem that could be corrected?
 


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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

2011-02-21 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote:

 The packages have to be built in a specific order, preferably the order
 that they are originally produced in, so that they can be linked
 properly.  Package A builds, then Package B, then Package C.  If package
 B is broken, it needs to be fixed, then Package C needs to be built, etc.

What's the order for CentOS 6? This is published nowhere: all I can
find is http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/buildsystem/, which seems
targeted for CentOS 5.

 This is not something that can be done by several people at the same
 time in parallel, no.  Not and be done correctly.

Sure it can!!! That's what source control is for The local
branches with personal tweaks are kept local, and require an
occasional pull (or merge) from the upstream canonical repository.

The smaller changes, such as wrappers to address missing dependencies
or tweaks to deal with

 This is very complex to bootstrap an OS from the beginning when upstream
 does not provide all the build requirements in one repo.

 I am not sure what you want ... mabye you should try building it
 yourself and see how easy or hard it is.

I've got a CentOS 5 build environment up and running, from a ways
back. But you say I need RHEL 5.90 beta or Fedora 12 to work from from
to build RHEL 6 SRPMS? That will take some setup, and it's documented
nowhere.

 Seeing as how we are currently dealing with 2 trees in the QA directory
 for testing right now (4.9 and 5.6) ... 6.0 will be waiting until we get
 those out of QA.
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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

2011-02-21 Thread Ian Murray


 
 Seeing  as how we are currently dealing with 2 trees in the QA directory
 for testing  right now (4.9 and 5.6) ... 6.0 will be waiting until we get
 those out of  QA.
 


I recall discussing this off-list with Johnny, like a year and a half ago (Wed, 
12 August, 2009 14:25:18)

I said

  IMHO you have insufficient
 resilience to maintain a regular schedule if life throws up an
 unexpected issue, esp when 6.X comes out because you will be maintaining
 another stream of code, on top of the previous releases. It's a hell of
 a commitment and am concerned that the infrastructure isn't in place to
 deal with it. You say it is, but the there are tiny signs that it isn't,
 e.g. delay to 5.3 bc of Karanbir's wedding and the the Lance open letter
 tells me that things aren't just sorted out in teh background seemlessly.
 
 Regads,
 
 Ian.


Johnny's response was


 WRT resilience, we have plenty of resources.  Point releases have always
 taken 2-4 weeks to complete ... and now we add some QA time to it as
 well (as asked for by the community).
 
 We have been in operation for 5 years ... we have retired CentOS-2.1 and
 have 3 active distros.
 
 we have had 4 active before with no real issues.

I am not trying to pick a fight here, or told you so but I don't think you 
can 
put your hand on your heart and so that has really held-up, now that 6.0 is 
really upon us.

Unfortunately, it is the same arguments now as it was then and in that sense, 
the project hasn't really adapted... but I guess in your eyes, there is no need 
to adapt. Just that these arguments are going to go on and on, release after 
release.

I do urge you to change the name and take the ENTerprise out of it. Clearly the 
build infrastructure is not enterprise ready and we are oft told that if we 
need 
enterprise ready build infrastructure, go buy Redhat. Which is fair enough, in 
itself.


  
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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

2011-02-21 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 02/21/2011 11:23 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote:
 
 The packages have to be built in a specific order, preferably the order
 that they are originally produced in, so that they can be linked
 properly.  Package A builds, then Package B, then Package C.  If package
 B is broken, it needs to be fixed, then Package C needs to be built, etc.
 
 What's the order for CentOS 6? This is published nowhere: all I can
 find is http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/buildsystem/, which seems
 targeted for CentOS 5.

Just like it is published nowhere for RHEL 6.  We don't know the answer
... we have to figure it out.  Normally, initially we start out trying
to build it in chronological order from the upstream build date (which
you can see from the RPM info) ... as that is the order that the
packages were initially produced in.

Then we check the build via the tmverifyrpms and then we repeat as
required.

 
 This is not something that can be done by several people at the same
 time in parallel, no.  Not and be done correctly.
 
 Sure it can!!! That's what source control is for The local
 branches with personal tweaks are kept local, and require an
 occasional pull (or merge) from the upstream canonical repository.
 

We are not changing the sources at all ... we do not change the sources.
 The sources are pristine (except for the trademark changes).

 The smaller changes, such as wrappers to address missing dependencies
 or tweaks to deal with

Can't change the SRPM ... it needs to stay the same.

 
 This is very complex to bootstrap an OS from the beginning when upstream
 does not provide all the build requirements in one repo.

 I am not sure what you want ... mabye you should try building it
 yourself and see how easy or hard it is.
 
 I've got a CentOS 5 build environment up and running, from a ways
 back. But you say I need RHEL 5.90 beta or Fedora 12 to work from from
 to build RHEL 6 SRPMS? That will take some setup, and it's documented
 nowhere.
 

Because, we have not gotten it to build yet, it is in progress.  We do
not KNOW the correct answer.

 Seeing as how we are currently dealing with 2 trees in the QA directory
 for testing right now (4.9 and 5.6) ... 6.0 will be waiting until we get
 those out of QA.



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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

2011-02-21 Thread William Warren

On 2/21/2011 12:18 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:

On 02/21/2011 11:08 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:

On 2/21/11 10:35 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:

So you are now saying that you cannot scale out this work to more people
to release faster ? This is something that has to be done by Karanbir only ?


Dag,

The packages have to be built in a specific order, preferably the order
that they are originally produced in, so that they can be linked
properly.  Package A builds, then Package B, then Package C.  If package
B is broken, it needs to be fixed, then Package C needs to be built, etc.

This is not something that can be done by several people at the same
time in parallel, no.  Not and be done correctly.

Couldn't the process be wrapped into a matrix build in Hudson (or now Jenkins)
across a large farm of build slaves with a list of successful builds falling out
at the end?  For at least the set of things that succeed in one of the common
environments...


Seeing as how we are currently dealing with 2 trees in the QA directory
for testing right now (4.9 and 5.6) ... 6.0 will be waiting until we get
those out of QA.

So you are constrained by workspace?  Or number of people involved?  And you
don't see that as a problem that could be corrected?



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reputation Centos core is developing.  Just ignore it..continue your 
great work on Centos in general..:)
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[CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread John Hinton
All,

(and please do not turn this into the next long thread)

We have a small team which volunteers their time to create the CentOS 
releases. They are pounded right now with getting that done... it is as 
simple as that. Each of us 'chose' to use CentOS and with that choice 
comes nothing more.

Why are we complaining? To me, it is all very self-centered. Basically 
we're all complaining because we 'want' something. And yes, I'm on edge 
wanting something as well... but that is life with RedHat in general.

Some of the suggestions made:

1. Send money. OK, so using a very loose or reapplied definition of a 
word... we want to 'prostitute' the CentOS team. In other words, if we 
send money we have the 'right' to gripe and press for rapid releases? 
Demand services?

2. Add more staff. As a small business owner, the very last thing you 
want to do is add more staff when you are in a slammed state. It takes 
all of the 'productive' workers time to train the new staff and output 
slows to a crawl.

3. Make any other number of 'helpful' suggestions. Well, I think by now 
the CentOS team knows better than us how this needs to be done based on 
infrastructure and team members. And even if they aren't doing it right, 
we don't get to make demands that it be done differently as this is how 
they have decided to do it. Remember, you chose CentOS based on how they 
operate. You can go away if you like.

4. Bringing up other distros that are ahead of CentOS. This just an 
attempt at indirect pressure on the CentOS team to get a competition 
going. Only the team gets to choose their competition. CentOS 'rates' 
how it rates and that is up to the CentOS team and their decisions. Some 
cheerleading might be welcomed, as long as it doesn't become an I cheer 
for you therefore you owe me.

5. MOST IMPORTANT discussing this right now is the wrong time. The 
CentOS team needs to be focused on the builds. They need to 'feel good'. 
They do not need these distractions, complaints, suggestions, pressures 
and generally negative comments at this moment in time. If it really 
bothers you, save it for later and bring it up when things are back to 
normal loads. Perhaps some good will come out of it, but not now. I know 
that most mean well, but look inside of yourself and the rush is about 
something you want... and YOU chose a FREE distro, which just so happens 
to convert to the paid version very easily.

6,7,8,9 and 10 (fill in your own but keep them to yourself)

If I were a member of the CentOS team right now, I'd likely be looking 
at the door. I positively would be needing to step back and take some 
time to myself to try to cool off and feel positive about what I'm 
doing. To me and from what I have heard from the CentOS team, very 
little of what is being said on the list is helping but instead is 
counterproductive at the moment. Obviously the team is 'reading' the 
list and 'obviously' some of us have pushed them further at a very high 
stress time, than they have ever been pushed before.

You may also note that upstream was also 'very late' with these new 
releases. Could it be we are discovering why? (please don't try to 
answer that)

Please please please... ease up, give them the time they need. Make 
notes for future conversations, but quit distracting them and making 
them feel bad. Or, write your scathing reply to a thread... get really 
down angry and in the dirt... then when you're done, just delete it.

CentOS team,

I do have just one suggestion (and I have no rights to ask this). It 
seems that the list goes quiet and waits for a while and then explodes a 
few days/weeks/months later with this banter. If you would consider a 
public release to this list, perhaps once per week during major releases 
with just some tidbit of how things are going, perhaps these threads 
wouldn't explode. With that would be the need for it to be an 
announcement or something that does not allow it to become a drawn out 
thread with hoards of perceived 'helpful' suggestions. I can't blame you 
for not doing this prior, as I'm sure it will fuel fires such as the one 
raging at the moment. Is there a way this could be done with a 
'no-reply' setting or something?

With Much Appreciation,
John Hinton

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

2011-02-21 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote:

 This is the last post I am making to this thread ... and maybe to this
 list in general.  During the build processes, here are the files that we
 have had to add (at various times) to get packages to build.  I have no
 idea if this list is current (we first try to build without add anything
 and test it), then we add packages if the testing says we need to.

Thanks for the information. Could you drop it in the Wiki? And drop
your notes on this process for CentOS 6 pre-building there, too?

 *EL4*
 dump: ncurses-devel

 pidgin: python-devel

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

2011-02-21 Thread William Warren
On 2/21/2011 1:28 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Johnny Hughesjoh...@centos.org  wrote:

 This is the last post I am making to this thread ... and maybe to this
 list in general.  During the build processes, here are the files that we
 have had to add (at various times) to get packages to build.  I have no
 idea if this list is current (we first try to build without add anything
 and test it), then we add packages if the testing says we need to.
 Thanks for the information. Could you drop it in the Wiki? And drop
 your notes on this process for CentOS 6 pre-building there, too?

 *EL4*
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 pidgin: python-devel
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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

2011-02-21 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 1:33 PM, William Warren
hescomins...@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com wrote:
 On 2/21/2011 1:28 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:

 Thanks for the information. Could you drop it in the Wiki? And drop
 your notes on this process for CentOS 6 pre-building there, too?

 *EL4*
 dump: ncurses-devel

 pidgin: python-devel
 [ etc. ]

 if it's a wiki how about you drop the information in Nico?

Far be it from me to take credit for someone else's work. I also don't
have the CentOS 6 information, which is what I've really been wanting
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Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Corey A Johnson


John Hinton wrote:
 All,

 (and please do not turn this into the next long thread)

   
snip

I am not a man of many words.. and i am usually very quiet on this 
list.  But would just like to say that i appreciate all the CentOS team 
members immensely.   I sincerely thank you all for the time you put in 
to what i consider the best free Linux distro available.

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Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Nicolas Ross
 John Hinton wrote:
 All,

 (and please do not turn this into the next long thread)

   
 snip
 
 I am not a man of many words.. and i am usually very quiet on this 
 list.  But would just like to say that i appreciate all the CentOS team 
 members immensely.   I sincerely thank you all for the time you put in 
 to what i consider the best free Linux distro available.

+1
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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

2011-02-21 Thread Always Learning

On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 13:28 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:

 Thanks for the information. Could you drop it in the Wiki? And drop
 your notes on this process for CentOS 6 pre-building there, too?

Nico,

Why can't you?  And save the developers one more extra job?

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Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Always Learning

On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 13:34 -0500, Corey A Johnson wrote:

 I am not a man of many words.. and i am usually very quiet on this 
 list.  But would just like to say that i appreciate all the CentOS team 
 members immensely.   I sincerely thank you all for the time you put in 
 to what i consider the best free Linux distro available.

Hear, hear.
 

With best regards,

Paul.
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Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Barry Brimer
 I am not a man of many words.. and i am usually very quiet on this
 list.  But would just like to say that i appreciate all the CentOS team
 members immensely.   I sincerely thank you all for the time you put in
 to what i consider the best free Linux distro available.

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Re: [CentOS] java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64 keeps clobberinglogging.properties

2011-02-21 Thread Jason Pyeron
 -Original Message-
 From: Jason Pyeron
 Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 10:27
 To: 'CentOS mailing list'
 Subject: [CentOS] java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64 keeps clobberinglogging.properties
 
 
 It appears that the rpm does not list the logging.properties 
 as a config file, as such every time yum updates the file get 
 overwritten.

Fyi: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679180

 
 /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0.x86_64/jre/lib/logging.properties
 
 For now I have a cron job to replace it.
 
 Any suggestions?
 

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Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Digimer
On 02/21/2011 01:21 PM, John Hinton wrote:
 All,
 
 (and please do not turn this into the next long thread)
 
 We have a small team which volunteers their time to create the CentOS 
 releases. They are pounded right now with getting that done... it is as 
 simple as that. Each of us 'chose' to use CentOS and with that choice 
 comes nothing more.
 
 Why are we complaining? To me, it is all very self-centered. Basically 
 we're all complaining because we 'want' something. And yes, I'm on edge 
 wanting something as well... but that is life with RedHat in general.
 
 Some of the suggestions made:
 
 1. Send money. OK, so using a very loose or reapplied definition of a 
 word... we want to 'prostitute' the CentOS team. In other words, if we 
 send money we have the 'right' to gripe and press for rapid releases? 
 Demand services?
 
 2. Add more staff. As a small business owner, the very last thing you 
 want to do is add more staff when you are in a slammed state. It takes 
 all of the 'productive' workers time to train the new staff and output 
 slows to a crawl.
 
 3. Make any other number of 'helpful' suggestions. Well, I think by now 
 the CentOS team knows better than us how this needs to be done based on 
 infrastructure and team members. And even if they aren't doing it right, 
 we don't get to make demands that it be done differently as this is how 
 they have decided to do it. Remember, you chose CentOS based on how they 
 operate. You can go away if you like.
 
 4. Bringing up other distros that are ahead of CentOS. This just an 
 attempt at indirect pressure on the CentOS team to get a competition 
 going. Only the team gets to choose their competition. CentOS 'rates' 
 how it rates and that is up to the CentOS team and their decisions. Some 
 cheerleading might be welcomed, as long as it doesn't become an I cheer 
 for you therefore you owe me.
 
 5. MOST IMPORTANT discussing this right now is the wrong time. The 
 CentOS team needs to be focused on the builds. They need to 'feel good'. 
 They do not need these distractions, complaints, suggestions, pressures 
 and generally negative comments at this moment in time. If it really 
 bothers you, save it for later and bring it up when things are back to 
 normal loads. Perhaps some good will come out of it, but not now. I know 
 that most mean well, but look inside of yourself and the rush is about 
 something you want... and YOU chose a FREE distro, which just so happens 
 to convert to the paid version very easily.
 
 6,7,8,9 and 10 (fill in your own but keep them to yourself)
 
 If I were a member of the CentOS team right now, I'd likely be looking 
 at the door. I positively would be needing to step back and take some 
 time to myself to try to cool off and feel positive about what I'm 
 doing. To me and from what I have heard from the CentOS team, very 
 little of what is being said on the list is helping but instead is 
 counterproductive at the moment. Obviously the team is 'reading' the 
 list and 'obviously' some of us have pushed them further at a very high 
 stress time, than they have ever been pushed before.
 
 You may also note that upstream was also 'very late' with these new 
 releases. Could it be we are discovering why? (please don't try to 
 answer that)
 
 Please please please... ease up, give them the time they need. Make 
 notes for future conversations, but quit distracting them and making 
 them feel bad. Or, write your scathing reply to a thread... get really 
 down angry and in the dirt... then when you're done, just delete it.
 
 CentOS team,
 
 I do have just one suggestion (and I have no rights to ask this). It 
 seems that the list goes quiet and waits for a while and then explodes a 
 few days/weeks/months later with this banter. If you would consider a 
 public release to this list, perhaps once per week during major releases 
 with just some tidbit of how things are going, perhaps these threads 
 wouldn't explode. With that would be the need for it to be an 
 announcement or something that does not allow it to become a drawn out 
 thread with hoards of perceived 'helpful' suggestions. I can't blame you 
 for not doing this prior, as I'm sure it will fuel fires such as the one 
 raging at the moment. Is there a way this could be done with a 
 'no-reply' setting or something?
 
 With Much Appreciation,
 John Hinton

It took me this long to catch the joke in the subject. :)

I'll pipe in to say thanks! for the CentOS team's work. I wish I was
in a position to assist myself. However, and I know this came up before,
if the CentOS team could setup a proper parent company (a not for profit
would be sufficient) then donations from corporate entities would be
much easier.

I understand that difficulties of hiring new blood, but certainly more
(powerful) development machines and the like might help. :)

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Re: [CentOS] Any update on 5.6 / 6?

2011-02-21 Thread James Hogarth
 Far be it from me to take credit for someone else's work. I also don't
 have the CentOS 6 information, which is what I've really been wanting
 all along.

There is no C6 info yet. Maybe he will release it once it's all worked
out. After all this I wouldn't blame him if he didn't.

How hard is that to understand? 6.0 is barely being worked on right
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Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Ian Murray


 
 2. Add more  staff. As a small business owner, the very last thing you 
 want to do is add  more staff when you are in a slammed state. It takes 
 all of the 'productive'  workers time to train the new staff and output 
 slows to a crawl.
.
 5. MOST  IMPORTANT discussing this right now is the wrong time. The 
 CentOS team  needs to be focused on the builds. They need to 'feel good'. 
 They do not  need these distractions, complaints, suggestions, pressures 
 and generally  negative comments at this moment in time. If it really 
 bothers you, save it  for later and bring it up when things are back to 
 normal loads. Perhaps some  good will come out of it, but not now. I know 
 that most mean well, but look  inside of yourself and the rush is about 
 something you want... and YOU chose  a FREE distro, which just so happens 
 to convert to the paid version very  easily.


As I stated on the other thread, this was discussed to death 18 months ago and 
I 
actually received assurances what has happened wouldn't happened. I am not 
holding anybody to what they said, but it adds further doubt about the 
sustainability of the distribution. Personally, I think it is better to lower 
expectation, but not leave it open ended, e.g. CentOS 6 will no more than 
another six months and 5.6 another 2 months. Perhaps we have been spoilt by the 
snappiness of the releases in the past. Plus, rename to something that doesn't 
suggest enterprise grade.

Anyway, I couldn't get Xen 4 +PVOPS kernel working with CentOS 5.5, so I have 
temporarily moved my Xen server to Debian, although the plan was to move it 
back 
when CentOS 6 came out, but I shall think of another plan.

 Please  please please... ease up, give them the time they need. Make 
 notes for  future conversations, but quit distracting them and making 
 them feel bad.  Or, write your scathing reply to a thread... get really 
 down angry and in  the dirt... then when you're done, just delete it.


The delete key works on everybody's keyboard.


  
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Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Digimer
On 02/21/2011 04:02 PM, Ian Murray wrote:
 another six months and 5.6 another 2 months. Perhaps we have been spoilt by 
 the 
 snappiness of the releases in the past. Plus, rename to something that 
 doesn't 
 suggest enterprise grade.

You always have the option of paying for a RHEL license if you want
true enterprise grade Linux.

CentOS fills a niche; People who need a very stable distro while not
being willing or able to pay the Red Hat license fees. That it takes
time to release does nothing to diminish it's enterprise quality. In
fact, I'd argue that rushing it out the door would do more harm than good.

If you can't wait, go RHEL or Debian as you have. In the meantime,
please leave the *volunteers* creating CentOS alone. They will release
CentOS 6 when they are able to, and no sooner.

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Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Barry Brimer
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011, Ian Murray wrote:

 Plus, rename to something that doesn't suggest enterprise grade.

How does the time between upstream release and downstream release have any 
effect on whether or not something is considered enterprise grade?

Barry
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Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread aly . khimji
I too am with the  fella's on this. Thanks for all your time and hard work. It 
is greatly appreciated, more then words can say.

Aly

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John Hinton wrote:
 All,

 (and please do not turn this into the next long thread)

   
snip

I am not a man of many words.. and i am usually very quiet on this 
list.  But would just like to say that i appreciate all the CentOS team 
members immensely.   I sincerely thank you all for the time you put in 
to what i consider the best free Linux distro available.

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Re: [CentOS] java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64 keeps clobbering logging.properties

2011-02-21 Thread Benjamin Franz
On 02/21/2011 07:27 AM, Jason Pyeron wrote:
 It appears that the rpm does not list the logging.properties as a config file,
 as such every time yum updates the file get overwritten.

 /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0.x86_64/jre/lib/logging.properties

 For now I have a cron job to replace it.

 Any suggestions?

Try making the file immutable.

chattr +i 
/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0.x86_64/jre/lib/logging.properties

Just remember to remove the immutable flag when you want to edit it.

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Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Fajar Priyanto
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 2:21 AM, John Hinton webmas...@ew3d.com wrote:
 We have a small team which volunteers their time to create the CentOS
 releases. They are pounded right now with getting that done... it is as
 simple as that. Each of us 'chose' to use CentOS and with that choice
 comes nothing more.

Maybe we are all still shock that IBM Watson runs on Suse.
LOL just kidding!
I don't use Suse. I use Centos all my life.
Thank you for the wonderful experience.
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[CentOS] iptables question.

2011-02-21 Thread Bill Campbell
We use a home-brew system similar to fail2ban to block traffic from IP
addresses which appear to be doing Nasty Things(tm).  The main thing our
system does that fail2ban doesn't is to use a central DNSRBL we maintain
allowing it to immedatiately ban listed IP addresses the first time they
make an attempt to connection without waiting for them to hit a sufficient
number of times to bring up the block.

This system sends e-mail messages to our security alias whenever a blocking
even occurs, either from tcp_wrappers or swatch log watcher.

My problem is that occassionally an IP addresses doesn't appear to be
blocked as we continue to see the e-mail messages after the blocks are in
place.  Most frequently these occur from courier-imap failed login
attempts, less frequently from sshd.

To start, iptables is initialized by setting up a named rule set,
say on eth0:

# these two set up the rule set.
iptables -N csblocks
iptables -A csblocks -j RETURN

# now add it to input, check csblocks on all new connections.
iptables -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -j csblocks

#Insert block IP address 1.2.3.4 as first rule in the set.
iptables -I csblocks 1 -s 1.2.3.4 -j DROP
# now add a rule to prevent IP forwarding on gateway machines.
iptables -A FORWARD -s 1.2.3.4 -j DROP
# for good measure, null route the IP
route add -host 1.2.3.4 reject

With all that incoming attempts still seem to get by for a few IP
addresses, but certainly not all.

Can anybody point out what I'm doing wrong, or why this may happen?

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Re: [CentOS] iptables question.

2011-02-21 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011, Stephen Harris wrote:
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 03:32:40PM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote:

 My problem is that occassionally an IP addresses doesn't appear to be
 blocked as we continue to see the e-mail messages after the blocks are in
 place.  Most frequently these occur from courier-imap failed login
 attempts, less frequently from sshd.
 
 To start, iptables is initialized by setting up a named rule set,
 say on eth0:
 
 # these two set up the rule set.
 iptables -N csblocks
 iptables -A csblocks -j RETURN
 
 # now add it to input, check csblocks on all new connections.
 iptables -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -j csblocks

 With all that incoming attempts still seem to get by for a few IP
 addresses, but certainly not all.
 
 Can anybody point out what I'm doing wrong, or why this may happen?

Connections that are already established may be blocked but traffic
will continue to flow because you're only blocking on NEW traffic.

eg
connection made
login fail
login fail
login fail
BLOCK HAPPENS - perhaps it's the 5th set of connections and it's just
  tripped the threshold
login fail
login fail
login fail
too many failed attempts, disconnected by server daemon
new connection blocked

You'll see 3 login failures after the block occured because the connection
was still open.

That makes sense, and was one of the first things I thought of.

On the other hand lsof -n -i doesn't show any open connections
to the IP address, and I would think that the forwarding and null
route would prevent that.

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Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread Ian Murray




- Original Message 
 From: Barry Brimer li...@brimer.org
 To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
 Sent: Mon, 21 February, 2011 21:12:57
 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!
 
 On Mon, 21 Feb 2011, Ian Murray wrote:
 
  Plus, rename to something  that doesn't suggest enterprise grade.
 
 How does the time between upstream  release and downstream release have any 
 effect on whether or not something  is considered enterprise  grade?


Because right now, if you are running 5.5 then you have no clue when any 
security updates are going to start coming your way again because RedHat 
security updates are against 5.6, which you don't have yet. It has already been 
said before that backporting the security updates to current CentOS release 
(5.5) is not a trivial task and yet more work for the devs (and breaks the 
binary compatibility rule.)

You get me wrong here. I am not having a go about how long the updates are 
taking...(if you think I am, you are not reading my comments properly)... take 
as long as you want... just please don't dress the distribution as enterprise 
ready as the build infrastructure is quite heavily dependent on one or two 
people by the looks of it. Illness or some other personal circumstance chance 
could easily de-rail the process altogether.  Rename it is JKos or something.


  
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[CentOS] funding

2011-02-21 Thread compdoc
Maybe what Centos needs is a bridal registry.

Here in the US, an engaged couple can tell their friends what they'd like to
be given as wedding presents. They do this by listing items in a registry,
in various stores around town.

Anyway, the idea is, post stuff you need in a list on your site. Say you
need 20 hard drives, or a particular power supply, or whatever items that
get consumed in day to day operations.

Just list what's needed, who needs it, and whatever info.  It doesn't have
to be hardware either - just something everyone can agree is OK to list.

People visiting the site can look and decide if it's possible to contribute
something - even if it's only one new hard drive of the type needed. Or
maybe a canister of Columbia's finest coffee. (although I supposed consuming
donated foods of any kind from unknown persons is a risk)

And should a contributing member have a hardware failure on his own personal
workstation, why not ask the world for some charity in return for his/her
efforts? Just list what you need, what it is to be used for, and see if we
like you enough to give it to you.

'Contributing members' meaning those known to the community, verifiable, and
who are putting in the hours, or whatever efforts.

And I'm thinking cash donations should be frowned upon because money can be
so easily subverted to doing bad things in the world.




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Re: [CentOS] Air Conditioning - ON!

2011-02-21 Thread John R. Dennison
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:33:39AM +, Ian Murray wrote:
 
 You get me wrong here. I am not having a go about how long the updates are 
 taking...(if you think I am, you are not reading my comments properly)... 
 take 
 as long as you want... just please don't dress the distribution as enterprise 
 ready as the build infrastructure is quite heavily dependent on one or two 
 people by the looks of it. Illness or some other personal circumstance chance 
 could easily de-rail the process altogether.  Rename it is JKos or something.

No one is taking you wrong here; you are indeed having a go
about it, to use your terminology.  How about the project
renames the distribution to IfYouDontLikeItYouAreNotForcedToUseItOS?




John
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Re: [CentOS] funding

2011-02-21 Thread aly . khimji
I thinks is a great idea, Its our way of trying to contribute towards a common 
goal. Who knows it could be a great way to assist in any way we can. I think 
its a good thought, and I think we should point out, if you do help with 
hardware or whatever, then you still have no right to be bossy or be demanding 
as if your working on the project.

Ak
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Maybe what Centos needs is a bridal registry.

Here in the US, an engaged couple can tell their friends what they'd like to
be given as wedding presents. They do this by listing items in a registry,
in various stores around town.

Anyway, the idea is, post stuff you need in a list on your site. Say you
need 20 hard drives, or a particular power supply, or whatever items that
get consumed in day to day operations.

Just list what's needed, who needs it, and whatever info.  It doesn't have
to be hardware either - just something everyone can agree is OK to list.

People visiting the site can look and decide if it's possible to contribute
something - even if it's only one new hard drive of the type needed. Or
maybe a canister of Columbia's finest coffee. (although I supposed consuming
donated foods of any kind from unknown persons is a risk)

And should a contributing member have a hardware failure on his own personal
workstation, why not ask the world for some charity in return for his/her
efforts? Just list what you need, what it is to be used for, and see if we
like you enough to give it to you.

'Contributing members' meaning those known to the community, verifiable, and
who are putting in the hours, or whatever efforts.

And I'm thinking cash donations should be frowned upon because money can be
so easily subverted to doing bad things in the world.




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[CentOS] System Log Error

2011-02-21 Thread sync
When I issue sudo tail -f/var/log/syslog in order to try and track down an
external drive problem I get the following:

Jan 11 07:56:00 kernel: [17179663.076000] atkbd.c: Unknown key released
(translated set 2, code 0x81 on isa0060/serio0).
Jan 11 07:56:00  kernel: [17179663.076000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e001
keycode' to make it known.
Jan 11 07:56:00  kernel: [17179663.084000] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed
(translated set 2, code 0xd9 on isa0060/serio0).
Jan 11 07:56:00 kernel: [17179663.084000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e059
keycode' to make it known.
Jan 11 07:56:11  kernel: [17179674.012000] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed
(translated set 2, code 0xd9 on isa0060/serio0).
Jan 11 07:56:11 kernel: [17179674.012000] atkbd.c: Use'setkeycodes e059
keycode' to make it known.

I have no idea what this means. atkbd presumably means AT keyboard? Can
anybody translate the rest and point me at what might be wrong with my
keyboard setup?

By the way ,the server is CentOS 5.3 x86_64, and kernel version is
2.6.18-128


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Re: [CentOS] System Log Error

2011-02-21 Thread aly . khimji
Are you using a wireless keyboard??

AK
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Re: [CentOS] System Log Error

2011-02-21 Thread sync
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 2:27 PM, aly.khi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are you using a wireless keyboard??

 AK
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No ,  I use the USB keyboard 
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Re: [CentOS] System Log Error

2011-02-21 Thread aly . khimji
Hmm, I usually get tons of that on my desktop linux machine that has a wireless 
keyboard, but if I use a ps2 keyboard I none of it. 

I also notice it with keyboards with ton's of extra functions (volume, audio 
functions, etc..). I believe its something with special key mappings. Do u have 
another keyboard to test with?

AK
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