[CentOS-es] SALUDOS COMUNIDAD... TENGO UN PROBLEMA

2011-05-16 Thread Carlos Alberto Jara Alva
Saludos comunidad, tengo un problema para autenticar un ldap+samba, cuando llego a este puento me sale.. durante todo el transcurso de la configuracion no tuve ningun error. He seguido el manual de la pagina de www.alcancelibre.org Que puedo hacer? smbldap-populate -a administrator Populating

Re: [CentOS] Problem Making Tarballs

2011-05-16 Thread John J. Boyer
The repository to which I am referring is the liblouis repository on googlecode. I get a working copy, which has an autogen.sh file. I run this and then configure. Make gives the following errors ../libtool: line 826: X--tag=CC: command not found ../libtool: line 859: libtool: ignoring unknown

Re: [CentOS] Problem Making Tarballs

2011-05-16 Thread ken
I haven't had this many errors doing a make in a long, long, long, long time... maybe never. (I'm saying that I'm guessing here) It could be that you were in the wrong directory when you ran make or, more likely, you skipped a command (perhaps .configure) that should have been run before

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Dag Wieers
On Thu, 12 May 2011, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 05/12/2011 10:09 AM, Craig White wrote: On May 12, 2011, at 2:05 AM, Ron Blizzard wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Mark Bradbury mark.bradb...@gmail.com wrote: Do you expect the C6.0 - C6.1 differences to be more complex, or less complex

[CentOS] Nokia Cellphone and VMWare

2011-05-16 Thread RoMueller
Hi, I've connected a Nokia 6310i Cellphone via the USB Port to an ESXi 4.1 Host and added it to a CentOS 5.6 64Bit server. The problem is, that I wont get an suitable tty device (/dev/ttyACM0) like I get when I use Debian.. here is the output of the log files: dmesg: usbcore: registered new

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Dag Wieers d...@wieers.com wrote: On Thu, 12 May 2011, Johnny Hughes wrote: The ZERO release is always going to take longer than the others. Past numbers debunks this myth:     CentOS 4.0 took 23 days     CentOS 5.0 took 28 days     CentOS 6.0 is not

Re: [CentOS] allowing users to write to a web content area

2011-05-16 Thread Marian Marinov
On Monday 16 May 2011 06:19:49 David Mehler wrote: Hello, I've got apache running on a centos 5.6 machine. All of my users have a umask of 077 set in /etc/bashrc. I'm now wanting to give several of them permission to write to a web area so they can place content visible to the web server.

Re: [CentOS] allowing users to write to a web content area

2011-05-16 Thread Nicolas Thierry-Mieg
Marian Marinov wrote: On Monday 16 May 2011 06:19:49 David Mehler wrote: Hello, I've got apache running on a centos 5.6 machine. All of my users have a umask of 077 set in /etc/bashrc. I'm now wanting to give several of them permission to write to a web area so they can place content visible

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 05/16/2011 02:44 AM, Dag Wieers wrote: On Thu, 12 May 2011, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 05/12/2011 10:09 AM, Craig White wrote: On May 12, 2011, at 2:05 AM, Ron Blizzard wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Mark Bradbury mark.bradb...@gmail.com wrote: Do you expect the C6.0 - C6.1

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread John R. Dennison
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:32:15AM +0200, Dag Wieers wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2011, Ron Blizzard wrote: Why constantly cast CentOS in the darkest possible light? I don't think that's what I am doing. I commended Johnny for his very quick CentOS 4.9 release, but I honestly can not praise a

Re: [CentOS] allowing users to write to a web content area

2011-05-16 Thread John Hodrien
On Mon, 16 May 2011, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote: This would give apache write access to the site contents, which is bad practice. It also won't solve the umask issue. Since the OP wants all members of webdev1 to have write access to site1, he needs the setgid bit active on site1/ . And he

Re: [CentOS] allowing users to write to a web content area

2011-05-16 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote: Marian Marinov wrote: On Monday 16 May 2011 06:19:49 David Mehler wrote: Hello, I've got apache running on a centos 5.6 machine. All of my users have a umask of 077 set in /etc/bashrc. I'm now wanting to give several of them permission to write to a web area so

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 05/16/2011 04:32 AM, Dag Wieers wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2011, Ron Blizzard wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Dag Wieers d...@wieers.com wrote: On Thu, 12 May 2011, Johnny Hughes wrote: The ZERO release is always going to take longer than the others. Past numbers debunks this myth:

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 05/15/2011 05:12 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: The process around building CentOS has traditionally been very secretive, which makes the name *Community* Enterprise OS seem very inapt. The community in CentOS that you write about was NEVER about building CentOS. We have never said that anyone

Re: [CentOS] Problem Making Tarballs

2011-05-16 Thread Leonard den Ottolander
Hello John, On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 01:43 -0500, John J. Boyer wrote: ../libtool: line 1136: X-I.: command not found ../libtool: line 1136: X-I../../gnulib: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 1136: X-I../liblouis: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 1136: X-g: command not found

Re: [CentOS] 1U firewall hardware

2011-05-16 Thread James Kelly
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:21 AM, Nataraj incoming-cen...@rjl.com wrote: On 05/15/2011 05:56 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 05/15/11 5:00 PM, Miguel Medalha wrote: http://routerboard.com/pricelist.php?showProduct=98 13 Gigabit ports note 10 of those ports are on ethernet switches, so the

Re: [CentOS] Problem Making Tarballs

2011-05-16 Thread Jim Perrin
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:32 AM, John J. Boyer john.bo...@abilitiessoft.com wrote: I have a CentOS virtual private server from 1and1.com If I checkout or pull something from a repository, it will contain an autogen.sh file Running this and then configure seems to work. However, when I run make

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Brunner, Brian T.
Can you take this off-list? I am REALLY tired of reading non-CentOS stuff. Please keep it here. CentOS vs SL and CentOS vs Ubuntu are as on-topic as anything else. Since TUV stopped supporting my non-PAE processors, I am obliged to find a new home. Ubuntu is one of the options. Insert spiffy

[CentOS] bond empty after reboot

2011-05-16 Thread wessel van der aart
Hi all, I've setup a ethernet bond on my centos 5.6 server , when i do a reboot the bond does come up but cleared all the slaves and i've to manually re-add them with ifenslave. does anyone know a solution to this? am i missing something? offcourse i can add it to my rc.local but there must be

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Christopher Chan
On Monday, May 16, 2011 09:11 PM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote: Can you take this off-list? I am REALLY tired of reading non-CentOS stuff. Please keep it here. CentOS vs SL and CentOS vs Ubuntu are as on-topic as anything else. Since TUV stopped supporting my non-PAE processors, I am obliged to

Re: [CentOS] 1U firewall hardware

2011-05-16 Thread Blake Hudson
pci is a shared bus with a max of 2 gigabits. you'll see a gigabit but never see two or more. 32bits * 33MHz = 1,056,000,000 bps. PCI is an arbitrated bus with one talker at a time (half-duplex), so it's only capable of half the data rate of a 1Gbps (full duplex) network. In practice, I've

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Les Mikesell
On 5/16/2011 5:05 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: We have never said that anyone but the project would build it. But you also didn't say that the project would lack the resources to do it in a timely manner or handle concurrent updates. In fact, I thought the project used to post goals for

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Craig White
On May 15, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Ron Blizzard wrote: You're leaving out release 4.9. You're also leaving out the fact that two major holidays occurred during the time *frame* that these three releases needed to be built. You're also leaving out the fact (as mentioned by one of the developers)

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Les Mikesell
On 5/16/2011 11:11 AM, Craig White wrote: but you're leaving out a very important distinction - SL released all the updates so the lack of a 5.6 release by SL is merely the installer disc's which is significant only to people who are looking to install SL on hardware that is newly

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 05/16/2011 10:41 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 5/16/2011 5:05 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: We have never said that anyone but the project would build it. But you also didn't say that the project would lack the resources to do it in a timely manner or handle concurrent updates. In fact, I

Re: [CentOS] Problem Making Tarballs

2011-05-16 Thread Drew
I have a CentOS virtual private server from 1and1.com This may be a non-issue but have you tried compiling stuff before on this machine? Most of the VPS system's I've seen in operation have stripped out the build tools for performance security reasons. -- Drew Nothing in life is to be

[CentOS] issue with fail2ban letting IP's through

2011-05-16 Thread David Mehler
Hello, I'm using fail2ban to block bots in conjunction with existing iptables rules. Here's a few rules from my iptables configuration: # # Set up a temporary pass rule so we don't lock ourselves out when #doing remote ssh iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT # # flush the current rules iptables -F # #

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Les Mikesell
On 5/16/2011 12:27 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: The point is that we do not have a system built that can track that sort of stuff ... and we can either build packages or design systems to track stuff. You don't really have to design a system for build automation/tracking since there are several

Re: [CentOS] Problem Making Tarballs

2011-05-16 Thread Les Mikesell
On 5/16/2011 1:05 PM, Drew wrote: I have a CentOS virtual private server from 1and1.com This may be a non-issue but have you tried compiling stuff before on this machine? Most of the VPS system's I've seen in operation have stripped out the build tools for performance security reasons. If

Re: [CentOS] issue with fail2ban letting IP's through

2011-05-16 Thread Ned Slider
On 16/05/11 19:16, David Mehler wrote: Hello, I'm using fail2ban to block bots in conjunction with existing iptables rules. Here's a few rules from my iptables configuration: # # Set up a temporary pass rule so we don't lock ourselves out when #doing remote ssh iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT #

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread John R Pierce
On 05/16/11 11:24 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: it is somewhat unsettling to think that the project itself considers that to be a problem. consider what might happen if a core build server for a project as widely used as centos gets penetrated and carefully targetted to slip trojans unnoticed into

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 05/16/2011 01:24 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 5/16/2011 12:27 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: The point is that we do not have a system built that can track that sort of stuff ... and we can either build packages or design systems to track stuff. You don't really have to design a system for

[CentOS] Netfilter connmark module libxt_statistic.so

2011-05-16 Thread Usuário do Sistema
Hello Everyone, I'm making an load balance ,on output packages IP from my firewall to Internet, with netfilter connmark and statistic match modules. it's necessary those two modules togethers to do the load balance on connection state. well I'm using CentOS 5.6 and I've searching on Internet but

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Scott Silva
on 5/16/2011 11:47 AM Johnny Hughes spake the following: Can't you ungrateful bastards take the free software I make by following the licensing requirements and be happy with that? I hear ya Johnny... The only hurry I am in over 6 getting out is that FINALLY some of the whining will stop... For

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Les Mikesell
On 5/16/2011 1:47 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: Agreed on the security comment, hence the concern about timely updates. It is pretty much a given that any public site will be hit with all known exploit attempts, but it is somewhat unsettling to think that the project itself considers that to

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Les Mikesell
On 5/16/2011 1:43 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 05/16/11 11:24 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: it is somewhat unsettling to think that the project itself considers that to be a problem. consider what might happen if a core build server for a project as widely used as centos gets penetrated and

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread John R Pierce
On 05/16/11 12:38 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: I believe that by making the process and its problems public, someone will help solve those problems as they do in many, many other projects where the work is open. a very wise man[1] once said adding more bodies to a late project just makes it later.

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 05/16/2011 02:46 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 5/16/2011 1:43 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 05/16/11 11:24 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: it is somewhat unsettling to think that the project itself considers that to be a problem. consider what might happen if a core build server for a project as

Re: [CentOS] bond empty after reboot

2011-05-16 Thread Rajagopal Swaminathan
Greetings On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 6:50 PM, wessel van der aart wes...@postoffice.nl wrote: Hi all, ifcfg-bond0: DEVICE=bond0 IPADDR=xxx.xx.x.xx NETMASK=255.255.255.0 NETWORK=xxx.xx.x.xx BROADCAST=xxx.xx.x.xx GATEWAY= ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=none USERCTL=no

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Les Mikesell
On 5/16/2011 2:52 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 05/16/11 12:38 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: I believe that by making the process and its problems public, someone will help solve those problems as they do in many, many other projects where the work is open. a very wise man[1] once said adding more

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Nicolas Thierry-Mieg
Johnny Hughes wrote: There is not a server in the world that I could not break into if I was on the same subnet ... and I am not even that smart. maybe but you have the distinct advantage of having your private trojans in every centos system out there ;-)

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Janne TH. Nyman
Who cares? I find it amazing that these guys still keep on building and providing considering how their users treat them. Team CentOS, keep your heads up. For me, you are still the best thing that happened since sliced bread. Come on, community, where is your love? My 2 pence, Janne Janski AKA

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Louis Lagendijk
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 19:40 +0100, Janne TH. Nyman wrote: Who cares? I find it amazing that these guys still keep on building and providing considering how their users treat them. Team CentOS, keep your heads up. For me, you are still the best thing that happened since sliced bread. Come

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread John R Pierce
On 05/16/11 1:18 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Yes, but whatever can't be automated here should benefit from doing the trial-and-error in parallel. And the potential improvements might come in the automation process as much as the grunge work - you can't really predict how an open project will

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Les Mikesell
On 5/16/2011 3:38 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 05/16/11 1:18 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Yes, but whatever can't be automated here should benefit from doing the trial-and-error in parallel. And the potential improvements might come in the automation process as much as the grunge work - you can't

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but whatever can't be automated here should benefit from doing the trial-and-error in parallel.   And the potential improvements might come in the automation process as much as the grunge work - you can't really

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Janne TH. Nyman jny...@jbtec.org wrote: Who cares? I find it amazing that these guys still keep on building and providing considering how their users treat them. Team CentOS, keep your heads up. For me, you are still the best thing that happened since sliced

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Brian Mathis
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Janne TH. Nyman jny...@jbtec.org wrote: Who cares? I find it amazing that these guys still keep on building and providing considering how their users treat them. Team CentOS, keep your heads up. For me, you are still the best thing that happened since sliced

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: No, but I'm not the only member of the public.  And your suggestion of starting by reproducing someone else's work from scratch instead of building on it would be like Linus telling everyone to just write their own

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Radu Gheorghiu
On 05/16/2011 11:50 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 5/16/2011 3:38 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 05/16/11 1:18 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Yes, but whatever can't be automated here should benefit from doing the trial-and-error in parallel. And the potential improvements might come in the automation

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread John R Pierce
On 05/16/11 1:51 PM, Ron Blizzard wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Les Mikeselllesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but whatever can't be automated here should benefit from doing the trial-and-error in parallel. And the potential improvements might come in the automation process as

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread John R. Dennison
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 03:51:22PM -0500, Ron Blizzard wrote: You know Les, you're talking in hypotheticals. Johnny and the other CentOS developers are actually *doing* the work. Everything is easy when you're not actually doing it. If you know so much about *how* it should be done, why

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Craig White
On May 16, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: Now, not only do I need to bust my ass to provide it to you for free, but I also need to do other things for you to. I need to provide you access to stuff and I need to track things in a different way and I need to setup elaborate systems.

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Brian Mathis These kind of ass-kissing posts are even worse than the flame wars. The flame wars at least usually start with some sort of reasonable criticism of the project, and have the *potential* to result in a discussion that ultimately improves the

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread John R. Dennison
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 04:59:42PM -0400, Brian Mathis wrote: Flame wars only start once Johnny or some sycophant tells everyone to fuck off, thereby derailing any potential for a constructive discussion. At that point you're left with lots of very smart, very angry people who feel like they

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Radu Gheorghiu r...@pengooin.net wrote: The main fear the developers have is that somebody could steal their work and come up with another RHEL clone easily if they release their build system scripts. I think this is obvious by now. It is also pretty obvious

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 05/16/2011 04:10 PM, Craig White wrote: On May 16, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: Now, not only do I need to bust my ass to provide it to you for free, but I also need to do other things for you to. I need to provide you access to stuff and I need to track things in a

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread John R. Dennison
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 02:10:28PM -0700, Craig White wrote: can't say that in all the years I've been using FOSS/Linux that I've ever seen the maintainers have such open disdain for their users. You're missing the point. The disdain, if that's truly what Johnny is feeling, is only

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Craig White craig.wh...@ttiltd.com wrote: can't say that in all the years I've been using FOSS/Linux that I've ever seen the maintainers have such open disdain for their users. Clearly they have gotten a massive code base for free and though the cost of

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Scott Silva
on 5/16/2011 11:40 AM Janne TH. Nyman spake the following: Who cares? I find it amazing that these guys still keep on building and providing considering how their users treat them. Team CentOS, keep your heads up. For me, you are still the best thing that happened since sliced bread. I

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Radu Gheorghiu
On 05/17/2011 12:15 AM, Ron Blizzard wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Radu Gheorghiur...@pengooin.net wrote: The main fear the developers have is that somebody could steal their work and come up with another RHEL clone easily if they release their build system scripts. I think this

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread nemus
on 5/16/2011 11:40 AM Janne TH. Nyman spake the following: Who cares? I find it amazing that these guys still keep on building and providing considering how their users treat them. Team CentOS, keep your heads up. For me, you are still the best thing that happened since sliced bread. I

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread centos
On Mon, 16 May 2011 13:47:30 -0500 Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: Can't you ungrateful bastards take the free software I make by following the licensing requirements and be happy with that? Johnny please don't take this personally. I don't know who came with the expression: When you

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Brian Mathis
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Ron Blizzard rb4cen...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Brian Mathis These kind of ass-kissing posts are even worse than the flame wars. The flame wars at least usually start with some sort of reasonable criticism of the project, and have the

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread John R Pierce
On 05/16/11 2:41 PM, Radu Gheorghiu wrote: I never said I want to do it. ah, so what DID you say? you want someone unspecified to do a better/different job for you than someone else is already doing for free ? man, its easy to volunteer other people from the comfort of your desk. -- john r

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Radu Gheorghiu
On 05/17/2011 12:47 AM, John R Pierce wrote: On 05/16/11 2:41 PM, Radu Gheorghiu wrote: I never said I want to do it. ah, so what DID you say? you want someone unspecified to do a better/different job for you than someone else is already doing for free ? man, its easy to volunteer other

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread John R. Dennison
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:41:23AM +0300, Radu Gheorghiu wrote: On 05/17/2011 12:15 AM, Ron Blizzard wrote: What a load of undiluted crap. Please keep this for yourself. Why when it's the truth. Does the truth hurt? I never said I want to do it. I only said what the devs are obviously

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Radu Gheorghiu
On 05/17/2011 12:51 AM, John R. Dennison wrote: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:41:23AM +0300, Radu Gheorghiu wrote: On 05/17/2011 12:15 AM, Ron Blizzard wrote: What a load of undiluted crap. Please keep this for yourself. Why when it's the truth. Does the truth hurt? It may be the truth from

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread John R. Dennison
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:55:59AM +0300, Radu Gheorghiu wrote: If some of you can't say anything smarter than crap, then please Please do the rest of us a favor and take your own advice. John -- People learn something every day, and a lot of

[CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread R P Herrold
On Tue, 17 May 2011, Radu Gheorghiu wrote: The main fear the developers have is that somebody could steal their work and come up with another RHEL clone easily if they release their build system scripts. I think this is obvious by now. 'obvious' to you or not, such is not the case with

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Stephen Harris
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 06:08:47PM -0400, R P Herrold wrote: other RPM based, upstream derived, rebuild projects out there as well, that a person has to look closely, and know the history, or read the sources, to see where they came from And then there's commercial projects, such as Citrix

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 05/15/2011 06:10 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: Where is Ubuntu telling people exactly where they stand on producing a their new releases. What about Red Hat ... how about Fedora. I don't know about Ubuntu, I don't use it. Fedora, on the other hand publishes their schedule:

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 05/15/2011 07:00 PM, Ron Blizzard wrote: So, when you take 5.6 out of the mix (taking into account the three releases at once), the average time from Red Hat 5.x release to CentOS 5.x release is 41.5 days. And 5.5 was 44 days. Your point? There is a general trend toward longer delays

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Brian Mathis The constant drip drip drip, as you put it, is generated from the disrespect shown to the users, not the other way around.  Anyone who asks how much longer or how they can help is immediately slapped down and told to go away. Bullcrap. I've seen

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Janne TH. Nyman wrote: Who cares? I find it amazing that these guys still keep on building and providing considering how their users treat them. Team CentOS, keep your heads up. For me, you are still the best thing that happened since sliced bread. Come on, community, where is your love?

[CentOS] Perhaps an interesting development....

2011-05-16 Thread Lamar Owen
Well, not to take away too much from the tinderbox, but I'd like to point everyone's attention to: http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/microsofts-open-source-love-expands-centos-li Headline: Microsoft's open source love-in expands with CentOS Linux support Short version: Microsoft now

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Gordon Messmer wrote: On 05/15/2011 06:10 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: Where is Ubuntu telling people exactly where they stand on producing a their new releases. What about Red Hat ... how about Fedora. I don't know about Ubuntu, I don't use it. Fedora, on the other hand publishes their

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread aurfalien
Same weekly/bi-monthly BS. YAA It always circles back to a#$holes and elbows. - aurf ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] Perhaps an interesting development....

2011-05-16 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Lamar Owen lo...@pari.edu wrote: Well, not to take away too much from the tinderbox, but I'd like to point everyone's attention to: http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/microsofts-open-source-love-expands-centos-li Headline: Microsoft's open source

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:17 PM, aurfal...@gmail.com wrote: Same weekly/bi-monthly BS. YAA It always circles back to a#$holes and elbows. This is the main reason I want CentOS 6 to come out. I'm hoping for a lull in the whining. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.6

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread aurfalien
On May 16, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Ron Blizzard wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:17 PM, aurfal...@gmail.com wrote: Same weekly/bi-monthly BS. YAA It always circles back to a#$holes and elbows. This is the main reason I want CentOS 6 to come out. I'm hoping for a lull in the whining.

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:25 PM, aurfal...@gmail.com wrote: On May 16, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Ron Blizzard wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:17 PM,  aurfal...@gmail.com wrote: Same weekly/bi-monthly BS. YAA It always circles back to a#$holes and elbows. This is the main reason I want

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Brian Mathis
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Ron Blizzard rb4cen...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Brian Mathis The constant drip drip drip, as you put it, is generated from the disrespect shown to the users, not the other way around.  Anyone who asks how much longer or how they can

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Brian Mathis People don't complain just for the fun of it (if that's the world you live in, I feel sorry for you), they complain because something is bothering them.  In this case, it is the very real and measurable delays in releases that seem to be getting

Re: [CentOS] EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:37 AM, Ron Blizzard wrote: And, by the way, not directed specifically at you, but reading between the lines it appears that one issue may be that some contractors are selling cheap Red Hat to their customers and then, when the customers ask Where's the update?

[CentOS] So sorry! was: Re: EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Benjamin Smith
As the OP for this thread, it saddens me to see that the thread I started has now been used as a forum for behavior of the worst kind seen in professional circles. I'm a longtime user of CentOS and merely wanted to know of users' past experiences transitioning between SL and CentOS. My first

Re: [CentOS] So sorry! was: Re: EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Benjamin Smith li...@benjamindsmith.com wrote: The choices are clear, however: 1) Stick w/CentOS, get a high quality, highly compatible release at little/no cost, with an uncertain release date. I would say the uncertain release date is pretty much moot now,

[CentOS] xargs with max each line / argument

2011-05-16 Thread neubyr
How do I pass xargs input one line at a time to subsequent command? For example I want to install rubygems by reading a text file as shown below, however the arguments are getting passed all at once to the 'gem install' command. I hace tried -L (max-lines) and -n (max args) options, but it didn't

Re: [CentOS] So sorry! was: Re: EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux)

2011-05-16 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, May 17, 2011 12:17 PM, Benjamin Smith wrote: I wish option #4 was not so commonly exercised here. It really might be a good time to consider moderation. Anybody want to volunteer as a moderator? The Centos ML does quite well without a moderator imho. No need to go draconian like

Re: [CentOS] xargs with max each line / argument

2011-05-16 Thread Les Mikesell
On 5/17/11 12:36 AM, neubyr wrote: How do I pass xargs input one line at a time to subsequent command? For example I want to install rubygems by reading a text file as shown below, however the arguments are getting passed all at once to the 'gem install' command. I hace tried -L (max-lines)

Re: [CentOS] Problem Making Tarballs

2011-05-16 Thread John J. Boyer
Les, I installed the development tools and development libraries, as you suggested. I even tried to install packages x*.x86_64 There were some unresolved dependencies in the latter, so I used --skip-broken with yum. There was a report of conflicting files, so i don't know how much was