Re: [CentOS] MTU report question

2020-12-14 Thread Patrick Bégou
Hi Strahil I get: ping: local error: Message too long, mtu=2044 ping: local error: Message too long, mtu=2044 so ip report is correct and nmcli did not the job ? Patrick Le 14/12/2020 à 20:23, Strahil Nikolov via CentOS a écrit : > what happens when you 'ping -M do -s 65000 -c 4 ? > > Best

Re: [CentOS] The conclusio: CentOS is dead

2020-12-14 Thread R C
It is not that we haven't been here before, this is just history repeating itself. IBM, SCO, Sun, Novell, etc. majorly have screwed up because of some geniuses having a great business idea. (that's how BSD disappeared, Solaris was a disaster, Xenix never made it..  and whatever happened to

Re: [CentOS] The conclusio: CentOS is dead

2020-12-14 Thread Nikolaos Milas
On 15/12/2020 12:47 π.μ., Ruslanas Gžibovskis wrote: your suggestions? My course of action is to wait for Lenix (Ref.: https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux) and Rocky Linux (https://rockylinux.org/) by CentOS original founder. IMHO,

Re: [CentOS] The conclusio: CentOS is dead

2020-12-14 Thread Simon Avery
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 22:48, Ruslanas Gžibovskis wrote: > your suggestions? > > Different: Debian, OpenSuse, Ubuntu-server. All good choices. Not quite so different: Rocky, (Maybe one of the corporate sponsored centos-a-likes, (OEL, Cloudlinux etc) but we've now learned it would be nicer to

[CentOS-es] cloudlinux hará un clon de CentOS

2020-12-14 Thread Ing . Ernesto Pérez Estévez , Mg . via CentOS-es
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Re: [CentOS] The conclusio: CentOS is dead

2020-12-14 Thread Satish Patel
I am centos guy last 20 years but not anymore. I have started looking into Ubuntu. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 14, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Ruslanas Gžibovskis wrote: > > if it is currently changed over the night... > How can you be sure that the CentOS8 stream will not be dropped tomorrow? > How

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-14 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 14/12/2020 à 23:18, Ruslanas Gžibovskis a écrit : > Just in case, as the third author linked, read the Licence Agreement, > everything will be there. Since Red Hat source code is mostly GPL, the same thing applies to Oracle Linux. > > And a small remark: > Even if you can take a knife in a

Re: [CentOS] The conclusio: CentOS is dead

2020-12-14 Thread Jon Pruente
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 4:48 PM Ruslanas Gžibovskis wrote: > I think most of the derivatives will be dead with one or two releases, like > was with Debian, such as Devuan, never got a new version... > Devuan 3.0 was released in June.

Re: [CentOS] The conclusio: CentOS is dead

2020-12-14 Thread Ruslanas Gžibovskis
if it is currently changed over the night... How can you be sure that the CentOS8 stream will not be dropped tomorrow? How about CentOS9, CentOS10, CentOS Core?! How can you be sure that what was "promised" will not be canceled in one second? I think most of the derivatives will be dead with one

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-14 Thread Ruslanas Gžibovskis
hi all. Just in case, as the third author linked, read the Licence Agreement, everything will be there. And a small remark: Even if you can take a knife in a shopping mall and stab with it anyone within the same shopping mall, does not say that it is legal. But you can, Please do not try it in

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

2020-12-14 Thread Chris Schanzle via CentOS
On 12/14/20 3:47 PM, Leroy Tennison wrote: > The whole issue of "support longevity" raises an issue I've been pondering, > is 10-year support a good thing from a security perspective? At work we use > Ubuntu LTS which has only a five year support cycle (you can pay for an extra > five years)

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

2020-12-14 Thread Leroy Tennison
The whole issue of "support longevity" raises an issue I've been pondering, is 10-year support a good thing from a security perspective? At work we use Ubuntu LTS which has only a five year support cycle (you can pay for an extra five years) but, even with that, issues have arisen. Although

Re: [CentOS] Oracle Linux - oracle-epel vs epel - dnf priority

2020-12-14 Thread Frank Cox
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 13:57:53 -0500 Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > Having done this for years.. choose one or the other. Do NOT mix the two. ... > In the case of nearly 1:1 repos, you > will end up with it working 95%-99% of the time and then burning down the > house. That's pretty much what I was

Re: [CentOS] Oracle Linux - oracle-epel vs epel - dnf priority

2020-12-14 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 14:27, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > Le 14/12/2020 à 19:41, Frank Cox a écrit : > > For those of us who are considering moving to Oracle Linux (or at least > > doing some experimenting with it), I just had an idea for dealing with > the > > fact that the oracle-el-epel

Re: [CentOS] Oracle Linux - oracle-epel vs epel - dnf priority

2020-12-14 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 14/12/2020 à 19:41, Frank Cox a écrit : > For those of us who are considering moving to Oracle Linux (or at least > doing some experimenting with it), I just had an idea for dealing with the > fact that the oracle-el-epel apparently doesn't have all of the packages > that are in the

Re: [CentOS] MTU report question

2020-12-14 Thread Strahil Nikolov via CentOS
what happens when you 'ping -M do -s 65000 -c 4 ? Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov В понеделник, 14 декември 2020 г., 15:46:50 Гринуич+2, Patrick Bégou написа: Hi, I'm deploying a CentOS8 (not stream ) cluster and I have a question about MTU on the interfaces. I have a connectX6

Re: [CentOS] Oracle Linux - oracle-epel vs epel - dnf priority

2020-12-14 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 13:41, Frank Cox wrote: > I'd like to run this by you guys and get your opinion. > > For those of us who are considering moving to Oracle Linux (or at least > doing some experimenting with it), I just had an idea for dealing with the > fact that the oracle-el-epel

[CentOS] Oracle Linux - oracle-epel vs epel - dnf priority

2020-12-14 Thread Frank Cox
I'd like to run this by you guys and get your opinion. For those of us who are considering moving to Oracle Linux (or at least doing some experimenting with it), I just had an idea for dealing with the fact that the oracle-el-epel apparently doesn't have all of the packages that are in the

Re: [CentOS-es] CentOS rip?

2020-12-14 Thread Rene L.A.
Tal vez  debamos, nosotros, los usuarios, reflexionar sobre ciertos temas. 1) ¿Habrá algún proyecto que mantenga en el largo plazo sin la contribución de la mayoría de los usuarios? Pienso que no. 2) Debemos contribuir mas. Estoy de acuerdo que muchos lo usamos porque no hacemos gran negocio

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

2020-12-14 Thread Ian B
> Lots of chat stuff... Something interesting happens when there's change. People get involved in a different way, and it can actually be positive. Centos for me is an example of something that many people took for granted (including myself). Now there's change and the start of things like

Re: [CentOS-es] CentOS rip?

2020-12-14 Thread Ricardo J. Barberis
El Sábado 12/12/2020 a las 19:40, Oscar Osta Pueyo escribió: > El ds, 12 des 2020 a les 18:05 Sergio Belkin va escriure: > > El sáb, 12 dic 2020 a las 11:47, David González Romero (< > > dgrved...@gmail.com>) > > > > escribió: > > > > Genbeta: CentOS será historia tal y como lo conocemos: Red Hat

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

2020-12-14 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/12/20 10:34 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: My only concern ATM is whether RH can change its CentOS 7 maintenance plans as well, all of a sudden. This is what bothers me, too, but in a slightly different way.  Even for the GPL software, Red Hat actually doesn't have to provide

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Mauricio Tavares
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 9:41 AM Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > > Le 14/12/2020 à 15:25, James Pearson a écrit : > > As others have said, it misses the _really_ important bit about the > > traditional CentOS model which is to follow the RHEL ~10 year life cycle > > I totally agree with you. > > But when

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Jon Pruente
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 8:25 AM James Pearson wrote: > I agree that Redhat really screwed up this announcement - they would have > got a lot more kudos if they had announced CentOS Stream to exist along > with keeping the current traditional CentOS ... > Oh, but they did do that. Last year,

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Simon Matter
Hi, > "Nicolas Kovacs" wrote: > >> >> https://freedomben.medium.com/centos-is-not-dead-please-stop-saying-it-is-at-least-until-you-read-this-4b26b5c44877 > > The article states that CentOS will now be "upstream" of RHEL instead > of "downstream". > > This is strange to me. I never thought

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Yves Bellefeuille
"Nicolas Kovacs" wrote: > > https://freedomben.medium.com/centos-is-not-dead-please-stop-saying-it-is-at-least-until-you-read-this-4b26b5c44877 The article states that CentOS will now be "upstream" of RHEL instead of "downstream". This is strange to me. I never thought CentOS was upstream or

Re: [CentOS] I'm looking forward to the future of CentOS Stream

2020-12-14 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 10:37 AM Scott Robbins wrote: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 08:00:24AM -0700, James Szinger wrote: > > > > > > Using Fedora on production servers is like climbing without a rope. > > > > > > It's possible. I've even seen some folks do it. > > > > Since the release of CentOS

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS
On 14.12.2020 22:39, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > On 12/14/20 4:09 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: >> On 14.12.2020 21:41, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: >>> Le 14/12/2020 à 15:25, James Pearson a écrit : As others have said, it misses the _really_ important bit about the traditional

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
On 12/14/20 4:09 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: > On 14.12.2020 21:41, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: >> Le 14/12/2020 à 15:25, James Pearson a écrit : >>> As others have said, it misses the _really_ important bit about the >>> traditional CentOS model which is to follow the RHEL ~10 year life

Re: [CentOS] I'm looking forward to the future of CentOS Stream

2020-12-14 Thread Scott Robbins
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 08:00:24AM -0700, James Szinger wrote: > > > > Using Fedora on production servers is like climbing without a rope. > > > > It's possible. I've even seen some folks do it. > > Since the release of CentOS 8, I have been moving my stuff over to > Fedora. The combination of

Re: [CentOS-es] CentOS rip?

2020-12-14 Thread Ing . Ernesto Pérez Estévez , Mg . via CentOS-es
El 13/12/20 a las 09:23, Henry Rosado escribió: > Solo me pregunto uno de los creadores de éste sistema mail que fue EPE, > como ve ésto, el era un fuerte en CentOS, aparte, que otra alternativa se > podría tomar y de paso, los servidores que están en producción, tocará > migrar a otros como

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS
On 14.12.2020 21:41, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > Le 14/12/2020 à 15:25, James Pearson a écrit : >> As others have said, it misses the _really_ important bit about the >> traditional CentOS model which is to follow the RHEL ~10 year life cycle > > I totally agree with you. > > But when you disagree

Re: [CentOS] I'm looking forward to the future of CentOS Stream

2020-12-14 Thread James Szinger
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 09:15:52 +0100 Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > Le 11/12/2020 à 02:25, Gordon Messmer a écrit : > > Personally, I think that changing focus on CentOS Stream is going > > to make CentOS (and maybe even RHEL) better in the same way and for > > the same reasons that Fedora is a better

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 14/12/2020 à 15:25, James Pearson a écrit : > As others have said, it misses the _really_ important bit about the > traditional CentOS model which is to follow the RHEL ~10 year life cycle I totally agree with you. But when you disagree with someone (e.g. the CentOS team), it's good at least

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread James Pearson
Nicolas Kovacs > > Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream: > > https://freedomben.medium.com/centos-is-not-dead-please-stop-saying-it-is-at-least-until-you-read-this-4b26b5c44877 > > tl;dr: Communication about Stream was BAD, but Stream itself might be a good > thing.

[CentOS] MTU report question

2020-12-14 Thread Patrick Bégou
Hi, I'm deploying a CentOS8 (not stream ) cluster and I have a question about MTU on the interfaces. I have a connectX6 Mellanox interface where I need IBoIP setup. I've setup this interface via nmcli and set the MTU to 65520 with: nmcli connection modify ib0 mtu 65520 nmcli connection

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Gionatan Danti
Il 2020-12-14 13:07 Nicolas Kovacs ha scritto: Hi, Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream: https://freedomben.medium.com/centos-is-not-dead-please-stop-saying-it-is-at-least-until-you-read-this-4b26b5c44877 tl;dr: Communication about Stream was BAD, but Stream itself

Re: [CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Walter H.
On 14.12.2020 13:07, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: Hi, Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream: https://freedomben.medium.com/centos-is-not-dead-please-stop-saying-it-is-at-least-until-you-read-this-4b26b5c44877 tl;dr: Communication about Stream was BAD, but Stream itself

[CentOS] Blog article: CentOS is NOT dead

2020-12-14 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Hi, Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream: https://freedomben.medium.com/centos-is-not-dead-please-stop-saying-it-is-at-least-until-you-read-this-4b26b5c44877 tl;dr: Communication about Stream was BAD, but Stream itself might be a good thing. Here's why. Cheers,