Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

2023-07-24 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 2023-07-24 13:47, frank saporito wrote: Let me know if you disagree with any of these statements: 1. Red Hat is no longer posting source code to git.centos.org. Correct.  Red Hat used to publish a de-branded subset of RHEL source code there, and they've discontinued that process.  The

Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

2023-07-24 Thread frank saporito
On 7/24/23 10:12, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 2023-07-22 09:55, frank saporito wrote: On 7/22/23 02:29, Gordon Messmer wrote: From my point of view, Red Hat doesn't really sell software. They give away software.  All of their software is available at no charge, typically in an unbranded

Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

2023-07-24 Thread Walter H. via CentOS
On 21.07.2023 09:30, Lee Thomas Stephen wrote: Because the general rule seems to be Oh! You are an individual, we will offer you affordable/free service What! You are a business, we will offer you extremely 'unaffordable' service. this is ok, but the worse thing is:  students and teachers get

Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

2023-07-24 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 2023-07-24 08:31, Tom Bishop wrote: Eh your keep dancing around and trying to spin what they did with the source and their intent. I'm not dancing around anything.  I'm discussing the objective, verifiable facts of what they did, some of my opinions on that, and not Red Hat's intent,

Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

2023-07-24 Thread Tom Bishop
On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:13 AM Gordon Messmer wrote: > > On 2023-07-22 09:55, frank saporito wrote: > > On 7/22/23 02:29, Gordon Messmer wrote: > >> From my point of view, Red Hat doesn't really sell software. They > >> give away software. All of their software is available at no charge, > >>

Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

2023-07-24 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 2023-07-22 09:55, frank saporito wrote: On 7/22/23 02:29, Gordon Messmer wrote: From my point of view, Red Hat doesn't really sell software. They give away software.  All of their software is available at no charge, typically in an unbranded release.  What Red Hat sells is support. Does

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-24 Thread jefflpost
Somehow the text of my message got deleted: I'm still using CentOS 7 because both security and stability are important to me. While CentOS Stream may, or may not, have comparable security, it is severely lacking in stability. IMHO both CentOS 8 and CentOS 9 are gigantic piles of garbage. When

Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

2023-07-24 Thread mario juliano grande-balletta
++1 Frank Saporito nailed it, walks like a duck, quacks like duck, it's a duck! There are dozens of alternatives and better community projects. IBM/RedHat will learn the hard way, as subscriptions decline, and the user base decreases, and CentOS/Fedora communities will end up