Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

2023-07-25 Thread Leon Fauster via CentOS
Am 26.07.23 um 00:52 schrieb Gordon Messmer: On 2023-07-25 12:18, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Gordon Messmer said: If Red Hat were doing development in RHEL minor releases that wasn't published elsewhere, I would probably have a different view of thing, but they aren't.  There's

Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

2023-07-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 2023-07-25 12:18, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Gordon Messmer said: If Red Hat were doing development in RHEL minor releases that wasn't published elsewhere, I would probably have a different view of thing, but they aren't.  There's nothing there that isn't published elsewhere.

Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

2023-07-25 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Gordon Messmer said: > If Red Hat were doing development in RHEL minor releases that wasn't > published elsewhere, I would probably have a different view of > thing, but they aren't.  There's nothing there that isn't published > elsewhere. This will not be the case for the

Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

2023-07-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 2023-07-25 09:19, Gordon Messmer wrote: 5. Red Hat's policy change contradicts the GPL's spirit. As you acknowledge, that's a subjective question.  I would say "no." Seriously? You are the only person here who thinks that. After reading an unrelated thread, I want to make an

Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

2023-07-25 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 2023-07-25 04:25, Phil Perry wrote: Nonsense. For years Red Hat freely published the complete RHEL SRPMs to their public ftp server. No, they didn't.  Take a look at the planning guide diagrams, here: https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata A RHEL major release isn't a

Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

2023-07-25 Thread Phil Perry
I was trying to stay out of this thread, but the reply was complete and utter nonsense... On 25/07/2023 01:24, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 2023-07-24 13:47, frank saporito wrote: Let me know if you disagree with any of these statements: 1. Red Hat is no longer posting source code to

Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

2023-07-25 Thread Walter H. via CentOS
On 21.07.2023 09:30, Lee Thomas Stephen wrote: Because the general rule seems to be Oh! You are an individual, we will offer you affordable/free service What! You are a business, we will offer you extremely 'unaffordable' service. this is ok, but the worse thing is:  students and teachers get

Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat

2023-07-25 Thread Rob Kampen
+1 I now have only two servers left on CentOS - both on 7, as 8 and 9 and the whole stream thing just never passed my confidence tests. All my new machines since stream was enabled have been on Ubuntu LTS. It has been a learning curve, a little more work to deal with certain updates and the

Re: [CentOS] Current RHEL fragmentation landscape

2023-07-25 Thread Simon Matter
> >> 5. Red Hat's policy change contradicts the GPL's spirit. > > > As you acknowledge, that's a subjective question.  I would say "no." > > I think the entire history of the free-as-in-speech vs free-as-in-beer > clarification is proof that we wanted to ensure the right to improve > software if