Re: [CentOS] A Group is Its Own Worst Enemy (was: EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux))
On 5/17/11, m.r...@5-cent.us m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: If we *really* need a moderator, here's an option: soc.religion.paganism has a robomoderator; on topic posts get autoapproved, obviously off-topic get bounced, and if there's any question, they get randomly bounced to a configurable number of human moderators, allowing for load balancing on the humans (and vacations, sick time, etc). As already said, this sounds really complicated. Coming from an IRC and vBB admin background, I'll suggest moderation using the reactive approach instead of a automated process. In the context of a ML, the signature could include a link with an unique subscriber/msg hash that triggers an email to moderators only if a threshold is reached. This limit actual moderation only to threads/posts that are really offensive to the point people are willing to actively flag it rather than rely on some automated process to decide if something's really off-topic or offensive. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] A Group is Its Own Worst Enemy (was: EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux))
Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 5/17/11, m.r...@5-cent.us m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: If we *really* need a moderator, here's an option: soc.religion.paganism has a robomoderator; on topic posts get autoapproved, obviously off-topic get bounced, and if there's any question, they get randomly bounced to a configurable number of human moderators, allowing for load balancing on the humans (and vacations, sick time, etc). As already said, this sounds really complicated. Coming from an IRC and vBB admin background, I'll suggest moderation using the reactive approach instead of a automated process. Not really. The perl script was written, um, around 1993 or '94, and it was based on one from talk.lang.russian? something like that. snip mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] A Group is Its Own Worst Enemy (was: EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux))
On 5/19/11, m.r...@5-cent.us m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: As already said, this sounds really complicated. Coming from an IRC and vBB admin background, I'll suggest moderation using the reactive approach instead of a automated process. Not really. The perl script was written, um, around 1993 or '94, and it was based on one from talk.lang.russian? something like that. snip contextskeptic about automated censorship and 'communities' void of human expression/context The primary concern was that it would take a lot of tuning to get an automated filter working without bouncing perfectly legit posts. After all, this discussion about a need for moderation may very well fall into obvious off-topic. And being the continual victim of apparently some kind of automated filter on several mailing lists (including this one it seems as some of my posts never show up), I'm rather distrustful of automated moderation. For example, a perfectly acceptable, from my POV, joke about a statement somebody made that lightens up the mood and give everybody a good chuckle may be considered OK by most subscribers but again, automated censors do not have a sense of humour. If the filters are too lax, then the moderators would keep getting verification requests. After a while if false positives rate are too high, moderators will feel frustrated too or start ignoring anything they didn't come across first hand. Hence I feel it's better to rely on the human flagging process. After all, if only the automated filter and maybe one person feels a thread/post should be a bounce, is that really deserving of a bounce? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] A Group is Its Own Worst Enemy (was: EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux))
On 05/17/2011 03:06 AM, John Doe wrote: Maybe all the non-technical discussions could go into a CentOS Politics/Philosophy new list...? And on that note, some required reading for everyone in this floating flame war. Don't skim it - read it. http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html -- Benjamin Franz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] A Group is Its Own Worst Enemy (was: EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux))
On Tuesday, May 17, 2011 07:56:59 AM Jerry Franz wrote: On 05/17/2011 03:06 AM, John Doe wrote: Maybe all the non-technical discussions could go into a CentOS Politics/Philosophy new list...? And on that note, some required reading for everyone in this floating flame war. Don't skim it - read it. That is a good read; particularly the piece about the probability of a group asking for a moderator is directly proportional to the age of the group (not an exact quote). Thanks for posting. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] A Group is Its Own Worst Enemy (was: EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux))
Lamar Owen wrote: On Tuesday, May 17, 2011 07:56:59 AM Jerry Franz wrote: On 05/17/2011 03:06 AM, John Doe wrote: Maybe all the non-technical discussions could go into a CentOS Politics/Philosophy new list...? And on that note, some required reading for everyone in this floating flame war. Don't skim it - read it. That is a good read; particularly the piece about the probability of a group asking for a moderator is directly proportional to the age of the group (not an exact quote). If we *really* need a moderator, here's an option: soc.religion.paganism has a robomoderator; on topic posts get autoapproved, obviously off-topic get bounced, and if there's any question, they get randomly bounced to a configurable number of human moderators, allowing for load balancing on the humans (and vacations, sick time, etc). mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] A Group is Its Own Worst Enemy (was: EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux))
On Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:33:37 AM m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: If we *really* need a moderator, here's an option: soc.religion.paganism has a robomoderator; on topic posts get autoapproved, obviously off-topic get bounced, and if there's any question, they get randomly bounced to a configurable number of human moderators, allowing for load balancing on the humans (and vacations, sick time, etc). I had actually thought along the lines of the IRC centbot..just need IBM's Watson to do the decode of the post, and fire up a centbot e-mail based on it. Banning the thread in mailman after the centbot posts would be extra good. The hard part is the 'IBM's Watson doing the decode' . Although this sounds like a job for a Bayesian filter, really. Just need to feed the filter the CentOS list archives in their entirety, and categorize them Either that or adopt the Slashdot method of moderation: 'hey, you get five days, but if you reply to the thread you get no more' ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] A Group is Its Own Worst Enemy (was: EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux))
Am 17.05.11 17:33, schrieb m.r...@5-cent.us: If we *really* need a moderator, here's an option: soc.religion.paganism has a robomoderator; on topic posts get autoapproved, obviously off-topic get bounced, and if there's any question, they get randomly bounced to a configurable number of human moderators, allowing for load balancing on the humans (and vacations, sick time, etc). Well, too much work for what it is worth. I once helped moderating a newsgroup and that is a task I at least won't do again. Still hoping for some common sense :) Cheers, Ralph ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] A Group is Its Own Worst Enemy (was: EL 6 rollout strategies? (Scientific Linux))
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:52:09AM +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote: Well, too much work for what it is worth. I once helped moderating a newsgroup and that is a task I at least won't do again. Still hoping for some common sense :) +1 John -- The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. -- Friedrich Nietzsche pgpfTHDQNBTUK.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
