Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-21 Thread Rob Townley
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: Remember that windows integration website ( don't remember the name but related to nLite and ryanvm) shutdown by Microsoft - it made a great deal of news because they had scripts to take out annoyances such as

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-20 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: which is about as useful as Microsoft Windows support... is it broken? reinstall windows FFS, this attitude amongst opensource guys that MS is the devil and are trying to murder your family or  sabotage your

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-20 Thread Joseph L. Casale
Remember that windows integration website ( don't remember the name but related to nLite and ryanvm) shutdown by Microsoft - it made a great deal of news because they had scripts to take out annoyances such as balloons popping up in the taskbar. MS lawyers had them disbanded For a good reason,

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-20 Thread Joseph L. Casale
I called them and explained to them that I couldn't get it to boot -- they gave me instructions on reinstalling So Windows is garbage because one support tech is an idiot? There are no idiots in the Linux world? The KSOD event occurred after an automatic Windows update (which isn't all that

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-20 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 at 11:47am, Joseph L. Casale wrote I can't believe I'm jumping into this thread This useless thread will never end, FOSS guys have their sh!t in a knot over MS for reason of which I have my own opinions. I wonder what those opinions are. One of the main reasons *I* am no

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-20 Thread Joseph L. Casale
I wonder what those opinions are. That would just start a useless flame.. One of the main reasons *I* am no fan of MS is their clear subversion of standards for their own ends. Well, they do some stupid things. No Linux vendor ever did?[1] Exchange, e.g., has a *horrible* IMAP implementation

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-20 Thread Benjamin Franz
ken wrote: Okay, here's one. Maybe someone here can figure it out. Upgrading from 4.5 to 4.5. From a 4.6 ISO I copied all the RPMs into a directory... let's call it c:/install :). Now the oracle dba has strict parameters on what versions can be installed and which can't. The rpms in

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-20 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: I called them and explained to them that I couldn't get it to boot -- they gave me instructions on reinstalling So Windows is garbage because one support tech is an idiot? There are no idiots in the Linux world?

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-19 Thread Amos Shapira
2009/10/19 ken geb...@mousecar.com: In the couple of months I've had the need to contact Redhat support on just one issue and their support has been terrible, so far completely useless and a waste of time.  I don't know what Redhat charges us for The only guy I personally know who went with

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-19 Thread Rainer Duffner
Amos Shapira schrieb: 2009/10/19 ken geb...@mousecar.com: In the couple of months I've had the need to contact Redhat support on just one issue and their support has been terrible, so far completely useless and a waste of time. I don't know what Redhat charges us for The only guy

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-19 Thread Clint Dilks
Rainer Duffner wrote: Amos Shapira schrieb: 2009/10/19 ken geb...@mousecar.com: In the couple of months I've had the need to contact Redhat support on just one issue and their support has been terrible, so far completely useless and a waste of time. I don't know what Redhat

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-19 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 09:12:01AM +1300, Clint Dilks wrote: Rainer Duffner wrote: Amos Shapira schrieb: 2009/10/19 ken geb...@mousecar.com: In the couple of months I've had the need to contact Redhat support on just one issue and their support has been terrible, so far

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-19 Thread Niki Kovacs
Clint Dilks a écrit : My Experience has been that its the difference between installing system and setting up systems for production use. In New Zealand at least it seems that if you can have a system where everything is installed in the standard way with a default configuration then you

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-19 Thread Eugene Vilensky
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:50 AM, ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote: In the couple of months I've had the need to contact Redhat support on just one issue and their support has been terrible, so far completely useless and a waste of time. .. I've opened the lowest-severity cases and generally

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-19 Thread Clint Dilks
Niki Kovacs wrote: Clint Dilks a écrit : My Experience has been that its the difference between installing system and setting up systems for production use. In New Zealand at least it seems that if you can have a system where everything is installed in the standard way with a default

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-19 Thread John R Pierce
Clint Dilks wrote: My Experience has been that its the difference between installing system and setting up systems for production use. In New Zealand at least it seems that if you can have a system where everything is installed in the standard way with a default configuration then you can

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-19 Thread Les Mikesell
Joseph L. Casale wrote: which is about as useful as Microsoft Windows support... is it broken? reinstall windows FFS, this attitude amongst opensource guys that MS is the devil and are trying to murder your family or sabotage your life is such BS. The people with the the attitude

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-19 Thread Joseph L. Casale
Maybe today. How long has it been that you could start something on a windows box and expect it to still be running a year later? People runing unix/linux have expected and achieved that for decades. A long time:) Windows _is_ reliable, what isn't reliable is the myriad of cheap sh!t hardware

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-19 Thread Ian Blackwell
ken wrote: On 10/18/2009 08:17 AM Kwan Lowe wrote: I'm pretty sure most corporations will continue to pay to use Red Hat. It's pretty tough to go the head of IT and tell them you want to use an OS without a corporate support license. Support is a security blanket, if nothing else -- and

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-19 Thread Keith Keller
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 08:29:59AM +1030, Ian Blackwell wrote: My experience has been good and I have no negative feelings about their support offering. We had a critical issue once on a production server with 250 users, and that they solved for us very quickly. Other lower priority issues

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-19 Thread ken
War is a failure of the imagination. --William Blake On 10/19/2009 06:29 PM Keith Keller wrote: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 08:29:59AM +1030, Ian Blackwell wrote: My experience has been good and I have no negative feelings about their support offering. We had a critical issue once on a

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-19 Thread Les Mikesell
Joseph L. Casale wrote: Maybe today. How long has it been that you could start something on a windows box and expect it to still be running a year later? People runing unix/linux have expected and achieved that for decades. A long time:) Windows _is_ reliable, what isn't reliable is the

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-19 Thread Rob Townley
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: which is about as useful as Microsoft Windows support... is it broken? reinstall windows FFS, this attitude amongst opensource guys that MS is the devil and are trying to murder your family or  sabotage your

[CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-18 Thread Ron Blizzard
Interesting column at CNET... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10376762-16.html ~~ Novell has been positioning itself as the Avis of Linux, a distant but gaining Red Hat competitor that tries harder. Like Oracle, Novell argues that it can give customers Red Hat value at a lower price. There's

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-18 Thread Ian Blackwell
Ron Blizzard wrote: I wonder if Red Hat has ever considered limited, paid support options for CentOS? I think that would be brand cannibalisation and self-defeating. To charge a lower support fee for the same product with a different name would surely only devalue their prime product and

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-18 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Ian Blackwell i...@ikel.id.au wrote: Ron Blizzard wrote: I wonder if Red Hat has ever considered limited, paid support options for CentOS? I think that would be brand cannibalisation and self-defeating.  To charge a lower support fee for the same product

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-18 Thread Kwan Lowe
I'm pretty sure most corporations will continue to pay to use Red Hat. It's pretty tough to go the head of IT and tell them you want to use an OS without a corporate support license. Support is a security blanket, if nothing else -- and it's a place to lay blame if something goes wrong.

Re: [CentOS] Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS

2009-10-18 Thread ken
On 10/18/2009 08:17 AM Kwan Lowe wrote: I'm pretty sure most corporations will continue to pay to use Red Hat. It's pretty tough to go the head of IT and tell them you want to use an OS without a corporate support license. Support is a security blanket, if nothing else -- and it's a place to