On 12/18/20 3:04 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> On 12/18/20 9:20 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:
>> Suppose it is June of 2022 and I have been collecting and archiving
>> all of the various versions of packages that are coming out for CentOS
>> Stream. Then, maybe RHEL 8.7 is finalized and hits the
On 12/18/20 12:35 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 10:36:12AM -0600, Christopher Wensink wrote:
>> You have been involved in CentOS for a long time. Would you mind
>> explaining the structure here. Do you work for Red hat full time on
>> the CentOS team? How many people are
At 13 December, 2020 Simon Avery wrote:
> Reply-To: CentOS mailing list
>
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 at 23:55, edward via CentOS wrote:
>
> > appears facebook is running centos stream and also helping developing
> > centos.
>
> A small but important point of order on that statement, based on the
On 19.12.2020 01:46, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote:
> Am 18.12.20 um 19:14 schrieb Matthew Miller:
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 08:12:26AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via
>> CentOS wrote:
> It's purely a developer's distro.
Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than
On 19.12.2020 01:14, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 08:12:26AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS
wrote:
It's purely a developer's distro.
>>> Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than
>>> development and testing?
>> Will a Red Hat CTO, in his
On 18.12.2020 23:28, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 12/17/20 7:54 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote:
>> On 16.12.2020 22:50, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>> On 12/15/20 9:59 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes
wrote:
> $250K is not even close. That is
On 12/18/20 9:20 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:
> Suppose it is June of 2022 and I have been collecting and archiving
> all of the various versions of packages that are coming out for CentOS
> Stream. Then, maybe RHEL 8.7 is finalized and hits the mirrors. I
> can analyze the versions of packages that
On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 03:20:30PM -0500, Joshua Kramer wrote:
> 2027 + 1". Or maybe it's even RHEL 10 by that point. So maybe long
> term updates won't go through the CentOS Streams process.
Right, as the plan exists right now, long term updates (after five years)
won't go through CentOS
On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 11:29 AM Johnny Hughes wrote:
> People who certify things, who certified CentOS Linux for things, are
> free to evaluate and do that with CentOS Stream as well.
This is what makes me think this isn't as bad as people made it out to
be. (And yeah, I take full
> On Dec 18, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 08:12:26AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS
> wrote:
It's purely a developer's distro.
>>> Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than
>>> development and testing?
>> Will a
https://www.zdnet.com/article/cloudlinux-to-invest-more-than-a-million-dollar-a-year-into-centos-clone/
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Am 18.12.20 um 19:14 schrieb Matthew Miller:
On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 08:12:26AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote:
It's purely a developer's distro.
Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than
development and testing?
Will a Red Hat CTO, in his right mind,
On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 10:36:12AM -0600, Christopher Wensink wrote:
> You have been involved in CentOS for a long time. Would you mind
> explaining the structure here. Do you work for Red hat full time on
> the CentOS team? How many people are on that Team that were working
> on CentOS? Is
On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 08:12:26AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote:
> >> It's purely a developer's distro.
> > Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than
> > development and testing?
> Will a Red Hat CTO, in his right mind, ever recommend a free clone of
>
Johnny,
You have been involved in CentOS for a long time. Would you mind
explaining the structure here. Do you work for Red hat full time on the
CentOS team? How many people are on that Team that were working on
CentOS? Is CentOS structured as a non-profit company with staff just
working
On 12/17/20 7:54 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote:
> On 16.12.2020 22:50, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> On 12/15/20 9:59 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>>
$250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into
On 18.12.2020 14:46, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 12/17/20 5:54 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote:
>> It's purely a developer's distro.
>
> Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than
> development and testing?
Will a Red Hat CTO, in his right mind, ever recommend a
On 12/17/20 5:54 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote:
It's purely a developer's distro.
Has Chris Wright ever recommended CentOS for any purpose other than
development and testing?
Shall I explain difference between a
developer's distro and the one suitable for production servers (a
On 16.12.2020 22:50, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 12/15/20 9:59 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>
>>> $250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into
>>> account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc. now multiply
On 12/16/20 5:09 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
Hi Lamar, glad to interact w/ you on the list. We both have been doing
this for a long time.
Yes, indeed. (Xenix V7 on a TRS-80 Model 16 in 1988..., I STILL use my
vi skills from that time i my life!)
I was not thrilled about this decision and it
Am 17.12.20 um 17:38 schrieb Nicolas Kovacs:
Le 15/12/2020 à 10:09, Thomas Bendler a écrit :
If you have to deal with proprietary software, OEL is currently the only
cost-free
option you have (if an RHEL clone is wanted). The advantage with OEL is that
most proprietary software supports OEL
Le 15/12/2020 à 10:09, Thomas Bendler a écrit :
> If you have to deal with proprietary software, OEL is currently the only
> cost-free
> option you have (if an RHEL clone is wanted). The advantage with OEL is that
> most proprietary software supports OEL out-of-the-box, you don't have to do
>
On 12/16/20 6:07 PM, Peter Eckel wrote:
> Hi Johnny,
>
>> $250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into
>> account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc. now multiply
>> that by 8. Now, outfit those 8 employees to work from home .. all over
>> the world,
Hi Johnny,
> $250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into
> account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc. now multiply
> that by 8. Now, outfit those 8 employees to work from home .. all over
> the world, different countries, different laws.
>
> .. THEN
On 12/16/20 12:28 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 12/16/20 10:50 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> Why did they change the development process of RHEL .. Because they
>> want to do the development in the community. The current process of
>> RHEL development is closed .. they want it to be open. It is that
On 12/16/20 10:50 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
Why did they change the development process of RHEL .. Because they
want to do the development in the community. The current process of
RHEL development is closed .. they want it to be open. It is that simple.
Johnny, let me say first of all thanks for
On 12/16/20 10:39 AM, Frank Saporito wrote:
I may be cynical, but I think this is a business decision.
By gaining control of CentOS, RedHat gained control of its biggest
(apparent) competitor. This action should increase the value of
RedHat. A few years later, IBM buys RedHat for a
> On Dec 16, 2020, at 11:38 AM, R C wrote:
>
>
> On 12/16/20 9:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
>> My apologies about top posting.
>>
>> I join Matthew on all counts.
>>
>> The following might sound as a rant, but it is not, given the circumstances
>> we have been put into.
>>
>> First, and
I may be cynical, but I think this is a business decision.
By gaining control of CentOS, RedHat gained control of its biggest
(apparent) competitor. This action should increase the value of
RedHat. A few years later, IBM buys RedHat for a staggering 34 BILLION
dollars. I would expect that
On 12/16/20 9:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
My apologies about top posting.
I join Matthew on all counts.
The following might sound as a rant, but it is not, given the circumstances we
have been put into.
First, and most important: thank you CentOS team for all great work you have
done
I would like to echo the thanks in this post, and to add a bit of
information that I have learned doing some quick research on where to
go. Scientific Linux is basically no more, they deferred to Centos and
pretty much ended their distribution.
Oracle seems to be the easiest and quickest
My apologies about top posting.
I join Matthew on all counts.
The following might sound as a rant, but it is not, given the circumstances we
have been put into.
First, and most important: thank you CentOS team for all great work you have
done during all these years. As user who used results
On 12/15/20 9:59 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes wrote:
>
>> $250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into
>> account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc. now multiply
>> that by 8. Now, outfit those 8 employees
On 12/15/20 7:59 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:
Why would RedHat invest millions more
in buying the CentOS process just to have CentOS act as the beta?
Indeed.
Often, when you can't find a reasonable answer to a question, it is
because the premise of the question itself is wrong.
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes wrote:
> $250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into
> account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc. now multiply
> that by 8. Now, outfit those 8 employees to work from home .. all over
> the world,
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:14 PM Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393)
Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote:
> Every package that ends up in a RHEL point release is in Stream at some
> point, right? While I can certainly believe that the cost for the entire
> CentOS effort is much more than
On Dec 15, 2020, at 7:41 PM, Johnny Hughes
mailto:joh...@centos.org>> wrote:
$250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into
account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc. now multiply
that by 8. Now, outfit those 8 employees to work from home .. all over
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 12/15/20 6:12 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:
> >> I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different
> >> reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually
> the
> >> stated motivation
> >>
On 12/15/20 6:12 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:
>> I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different
>> reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the
>> stated motivation
>> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q2
>
> First, I will
> I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different
> reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the
> stated motivation
> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q2
First, I will note that I think the idea of creating *a version of*
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:45:43AM -0700, R C wrote:
>
> I didn't know that fact, but hey that could be a pretty cool tribute.
It was in Greg's announcement of Rocky Linux. Right up near the top
if I recall correctly.
John
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 12:07 PM Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Tom Bishop wrote:
> > I know you and other RHEL folks keep saying this about cashing out etc,
> but
> > they could have kept stream and Centos stable at the same time but chose
> > not to. Ya know,
On 12/15/20 11:07 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Tom Bishop wrote:
I know you and other RHEL folks keep saying this about cashing out etc, but
they could have kept stream and Centos stable at the same time but chose
not to. Ya know, if it walks like a duck
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Tom Bishop wrote:
> I know you and other RHEL folks keep saying this about cashing out etc, but
> they could have kept stream and Centos stable at the same time but chose
> not to. Ya know, if it walks like a duck and quacks as a duck...who knows
> maybe
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:31 AM Phelps, Matthew
wrote:
> Not to mention the constant barrage of "You just want free Red Hat" and
> "CentOS users are moochers" and "We deserve value from all those CentOS
> users, so we're going to turn them into beta testers for RHEL." I have
> gotten these
On 12/15/20 10:31 AM, Jon Pruente wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:48 AM R C wrote:
'Rocky Linux' guy might actually be on to something (although I'd pick
another distro name)
The name comes from his CentOS co-founder Rocky McGaugh, who is no longer
with us, in his memory.
I didn't know
Am Dienstag, den 15.12.2020, 12:06 -0500 schrieb Matthew Miller:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 01:48:21AM -0700, R C wrote:
> > I think that Centos, being that close to RHEL, should have had a
> > licensing scheme for personal use, small business use, just to make
> > things 'fair'.
>
> So, again,
On 12/15/20 10:30 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Tom Bishop wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:06 AM Matthew Miller wrote:
I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different
reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's...
On 12/15/20 10:24 AM, Tom Bishop wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:06 AM Matthew Miller wrote:
I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different
reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the
stated motivation
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:48 AM R C wrote:
> 'Rocky Linux' guy might actually be on to something (although I'd pick
> another distro name)
>
The name comes from his CentOS co-founder Rocky McGaugh, who is no longer
with us, in his memory.
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Tom Bishop wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:06 AM Matthew Miller wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different
> > reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the
> > stated motivation
>
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:06 AM Matthew Miller wrote:
>
>
>
> I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different
> reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the
> stated motivation
> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q2
>
>
>
On 12/15/20 10:06 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 01:48:21AM -0700, R C wrote:
I think that Centos, being that close to RHEL, should have had a
licensing scheme for personal use, small business use, just to make
things 'fair'.
So, again, please stay tuned. Not for licensing
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 01:48:21AM -0700, R C wrote:
> I think that Centos, being that close to RHEL, should have had a
> licensing scheme for personal use, small business use, just to make
> things 'fair'.
So, again, please stay tuned. Not for licensing schemes for CentOS, but for
programs for
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:18 AM Patrick Bégou <
patrick.be...@legi.grenoble-inp.fr> wrote:
> I'm also using CentOS for a while and I'm deploying a CentOS8 cluster
> for some months because it was supported until 2029! Bad idea.
> For me, using debian has 2 important drawbacks
> - some of
On 12/15/20 9:48 AM, R C wrote:
> The only thing RHEL can 'bank on' in the near future is that there is
> nothing else around yet. (but problems like these never lasted long in
> the past)
Springdale made by Princeton exists longer then CentOS:
https://puias.math.ias.edu/
They have "network" CD
I think that Centos, being that close to RHEL, should have had a
licensing scheme for personal use, small business use, just to make
things 'fair'.
It should be fine to use Centos as a "Community Enterprise OS", as a
stepping stone, but once it starts taking off, like it did with some big
I'm also using CentOS for a while and I'm deploying a CentOS8 cluster
for some months because it was supported until 2029! Bad idea.
For me, using debian has 2 important drawbacks
- some of proprietary software we are using is certified RHEL and SLES.
Deploying on CentOS is out-of-thebox.
On 12/14/20 3:47 PM, Leroy Tennison wrote:
> The whole issue of "support longevity" raises an issue I've been pondering,
> is 10-year support a good thing from a security perspective? At work we use
> Ubuntu LTS which has only a five year support cycle (you can pay for an extra
> five years)
e required a lot of effort to implement.
Now I'm wondering about packages in general.
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> Lots of chat stuff...
Something interesting happens when there's change. People get involved in a
different way, and it can actually be positive.
Centos for me is an example of something that many people took for granted
(including myself). Now there's change and the start of things like
On 12/12/20 10:34 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote:
My only concern ATM is whether RH can change its CentOS 7 maintenance
plans as well, all of a sudden.
This is what bothers me, too, but in a slightly different way. Even for
the GPL software, Red Hat actually doesn't have to provide
On 13.12.2020 03:50, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> On 12/12/20 4:43 PM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote:
>> Am 12.12.20 um 04:11 schrieb Yves Bellefeuille:
>>> "John R. Dennison" wrote:
>>>
Yes, far be it from people to worry about putting food on their
children's table during a
On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 01:40:58AM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> They only do not have DVD ISO, but they have "network" CD ISO for 8.1,
> and they have boot.iso for 8.3 for install over internet.
Ahh. Good to know. Thanks to both you and Leon Fauster for correcting
me on this.
They only do not have DVD ISO, but they have "network" CD ISO for 8.1,
and they have boot.iso for 8.3 for install over internet.
On 12/12/20 9:55 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 09:50:07PM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>> Springdale Linux, RHEL clone already
On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 at 23:55, edward via CentOS wrote:
appears facebook is running centos stream and also helping developing
> centos.
A small but important point of order on that statement, based on the
article you link;
"an operating system they derive from CentOS Stream. "
So Stream is
hi,
appears facebook is running centos stream and also helping developing
centos. not sure if the following article has already been seen:
Am 12.12.20 um 21:55 schrieb John R. Dennison:
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 09:50:07PM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Hi.
Springdale Linux, RHEL clone already exists. Rocky Linux clone is in
preparation, and CloudLinux plans to publish RHEL clone also.
And notice that CentOS Linux 7 will be
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 09:50:07PM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>
> Hi.
> Springdale Linux, RHEL clone already exists. Rocky Linux clone is in
> preparation, and CloudLinux plans to publish RHEL clone also.
> And notice that CentOS Linux 7 will be supported until EOL in 2024 and
> there will
On 12/12/20 4:43 PM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote:
> Am 12.12.20 um 04:11 schrieb Yves Bellefeuille:
>> "John R. Dennison" wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, far be it from people to worry about putting food on their
>>> children's table during a pandemic.
>>
>> Oh, please. Nobody suggested this has
On 12/11/20 9:51 PM, Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
I'm most disappointed with the silence from Karanbir and friends.
Obviously their Red Hat salary is more important to them than keeping
CentOS the way it was. :-(
This boggles the mind. OF COURSE their salary should realistically be
more important
Am 12.12.20 um 10:52 schrieb Simon Matter:
I'm most disappointed with the silence from Karanbir and friends.
Obviously their Red Hat salary is more important to them than keeping
CentOS the way it was. :-(
I'm sure they will speak out once they are in position to do so. That's
obviously not
Am 12.12.20 um 04:11 schrieb Yves Bellefeuille:
"John R. Dennison" wrote:
Yes, far be it from people to worry about putting food on their
children's table during a pandemic.
Oh, please. Nobody suggested this has anything to do with the
pandemic; nobody even mentioned the pandemic,
> I'm most disappointed with the silence from Karanbir and friends.
> Obviously their Red Hat salary is more important to them than keeping
> CentOS the way it was. :-(
I'm sure they will speak out once they are in position to do so. That's
obviously not now and nobody should blame them for it.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 10:11:36PM -0500, Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
>
> Oh, please. Nobody suggested this has anything to do with the
> pandemic; nobody even mentioned the pandemic, except you.
"Red Hat salary more important"
This implies you expect them to put their jobs on the line to protect
"John R. Dennison" wrote:
> Yes, far be it from people to worry about putting food on their
> children's table during a pandemic.
Oh, please. Nobody suggested this has anything to do with the
pandemic; nobody even mentioned the pandemic, except you.
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On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 09:51:05PM -0500, Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> I'm most disappointed with the silence from Karanbir and friends.
> Obviously their Red Hat salary is more important to them than keeping
> CentOS the way it was. :-(
Yes, far be it from people to worry about putting food on
I'm most disappointed with the silence from Karanbir and friends.
Obviously their Red Hat salary is more important to them than keeping
CentOS the way it was. :-(
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On 9/12/2020 3:19 μ.μ., Nikolaos Milas wrote:
I still hope that you will not disappoint CentOS admins and users so
badly and that you will continue to support CentOS 8 (and CentOS 7) in
its current/expected form.
A petition has started, to request IBM/Redhat to continue CentOS 8 as
On 8/12/2020 6:58 μ.μ., Satish Patel wrote:
What is going on here https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
CentOS 8's future is not looking bright. Recently deployed CentOS8 on
my production workload and now hearing this. What do other folks think
about this?
I will totally
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 12:44:36PM -0600, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via CentOS
wrote:
> > CentOS 8's future is not looking bright. Recently deployed CentOS8 on my
> > production workload and now hearing this. What do other folks think
> > about this?
> Speaking only for myself, I am ready to give up
On 12/8/20 11:44 AM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via CentOS wrote:
On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 11:58 -0500, Satish Patel wrote:
Folks,
What is going on here
https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
CentOS 8's future is not looking bright. Recently deployed CentOS8 on
my production
On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 11:58 -0500, Satish Patel wrote:
> Folks,
>
> What is going on here
> https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
>
> CentOS 8's future is not looking bright. Recently deployed CentOS8 on
> my production workload and now hearing this. What do other folks
>
Folks,
What is going on here https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
CentOS 8's future is not looking bright. Recently deployed CentOS8 on
my production workload and now hearing this. What do other folks think
about this?
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