On Thu, August 5, 2010 14:23, Les Mikesell wrote:
No, the part I don't understand is why you can't ignore any request
where you are unwilling or unable to help. If everyone did, there
would only be one or two messages on this thread instead of the
current mess.
Amen.
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mark
the FAQ suff is a good idea...
in fact, when people singup, they should have to agree to list rules or be
pointed to them on signup.
i wonder though, seriously, does the teach a man to fish principle really
apply?
ie LMGTFY type stuff or ???
or cluesticks?
;-
as far as lazy, it is
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 07:49:36AM -0700, R-Elists wrote:
mark
the FAQ suff is a good idea...
in fact, when people singup, they should have to agree to list rules or be
pointed to them on signup.
I co-moderate an ancient beginners' list on yahoo--we have something
like that, but it's
Scott Robbins wrote:
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 07:49:36AM -0700, R-Elists wrote:
mark
the FAQ suff is a good idea...
in fact, when people singup, they should have to agree to list rules or
be pointed to them on signup.
I co-moderate an ancient beginners' list on yahoo--we have something
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 11:49:07AM -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
have to type something halfway intelligent to join the list, but
really don't seem to have actually read the FAQ.
No one reads FAQs. They're a relic of the old guard (what, read the FAQ
and monitor a newsgroup for a week before
disagree, we read them all the time.
if we didnt, then we would be wasting time money purchasing very hi tech
and then wasting time and money not being able to use it or spinning wheels
looking for docs etc.
i think the problem is more that rules are not enforced in many lists...
or nobody
R-Elists wrote:
disagree, we read them all the time.
Come on, did he need satirepost/satire?
#insert old_guard.h
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On 8/5/2010 10:54 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
I co-moderate an ancient beginners' list on yahoo--we have something
like that, but it's almost useless. They say they read it, they even
have to type something halfway intelligent to join the list, but
really don't seem to have actually read
the point is enforcement somehow...
why not require a small yearly donation for access to the list ???
12 bucks a year? or more ?
donations cannot be taken back yet lusers can be moderated or terminated
and to come back, they donate again
- rh
But what's the point? When you give away
R-Elists wrote:
the point is enforcement somehow...
why not require a small yearly donation for access to the list ???
12 bucks a year? or more ?
donations cannot be taken back yet lusers can be moderated or terminated
and to come back, they donate again
The simple answer is moderation.
huh? it was sincere
we are on your side bunky... :-)
insert foot in backside;-)
lighten up homes
- rh
Come on, did he need satirepost/satire?
#insert old_guard.h
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m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
snip
The simple answer is moderation. If, say, 3, or 5 regular posters complain
about someone, they get a canned warning message; the luser does it a
second time, they get dropped from the list. They rejoin, and do it again,
they get dropped and banned for at least six
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
The part I have trouble understanding is that while it seems
perfectly acceptable to be dumb about most coding languages and ask
for a canned routine to do something you are too lazy to write for
yourself, the same does not apply to shell commands
R-Elists wrote:
Come on, did he need satirepost/satire?
#insert old_guard.h
huh? it was sincere
we are on your side bunky... :-)
insert foot in backside;-)
lighten up homes
Hey, I worked long and hard to become a curmudgeon, and that was with a
stirling example to follow
well taken
i think centos should make manatory donation for support list or a few of
their lists...
revenue will do centos project/people good.
then moderate
- rh
The simple answer is moderation. If, say, 3, or 5 regular
posters complain about someone, they get a canned warning
On 8/5/2010 12:31 PM, R-Elists wrote:
well taken
i think centos should make manatory donation for support list or a few of
their lists...
What's a support list and how does it relate to CentOS where every
request for change is countered with our policy is to be bug-for-bug
compatible with
On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 10:31 -0700, R-Elists wrote:
well taken
i think centos should make manatory donation for support list or a few of
their lists...
Ahh ok so you want mind paying a fee to join my list and everybody
elses?
You had hell got to be crazy. Is not Open Source to be free?
On 8/5/2010 12:25 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
The part I have trouble understanding is that while it seems
perfectly acceptable to be dumb about most coding languages and ask
for a canned routine to do something you are too lazy to write for
yourself, the
Les Mikesell wrote:
On 8/5/2010 12:25 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
The part I have trouble understanding is that while it seems
perfectly acceptable to be dumb about most coding languages and ask
for a canned routine to do something you are too lazy to
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
On 8/5/2010 12:25 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
The part I have trouble understanding is that while it seems
perfectly acceptable to be dumb about most coding languages and
ask for a canned routine to do something
On 8/5/2010 11:51 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
When someone says, I'm writing a shell script, and hereabouts I need
$TOOL to do such and such, a good answer is usually forthcoming.
When someone says, Tell me how to script this $PROJECT, the
commmunity usually points the OP off to Google/Manual.
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 02:02:51PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Mike, you seem to be misunderstanding - the lusers, like Hadi (sp?), are
asking us to do their work for them, not help them to learn what they need
to do it themselves.
It goes beyond that.
The issue that
When someone says, I'm writing a shell script, and
hereabouts I need $TOOL to do such and such, a good answer
is usually forthcoming.
When someone says, Tell me how to script this $PROJECT, the
commmunity usually points the OP off to Google/Manual.
The difference is (as before
On 8/5/2010 1:02 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
I don't think it is the nature of the requests that are different
(although coders perhaps have to know more to even ask a reasonable
question), just the responses. Coders seem much more likely to try to
make their work available to others that
On 08/05/2010 11:23 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
No, the part I don't understand is why you can't ignore any request
where you are unwilling or unable to help. If everyone did, there would
only be one or two messages on this thread instead of the current mess.
+1
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Benjamin Franz
Benjamin Franz wrote:
On 08/05/2010 11:23 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
No, the part I don't understand is why you can't ignore any request
where you are unwilling or unable to help. If everyone did, there would
only be one or two messages on this thread instead of the current mess.
+1
The first
On 8/5/2010 1:17 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
Hadi had been asked, repeatedly, to at least make a minimal
effort on his own; to date there has been *no* evidence of that
happening.
So where would he have found an answer to the question that sparked this
thread of
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
To: centos@centos.org
From: Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Dogs, trolls, and neighborly free/open source
On 8/5/2010 12:25 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
The part I have trouble
Les Mikesell wrote:
On 8/5/2010 1:17 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
snip
The world is full of what seems an entire generation of people
that possess an air of entitlement from those around them and
expect people to instantly drop what they are doing and do
their jobs / school
On 8/5/2010 1:36 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Benjamin Franz wrote:
On 08/05/2010 11:23 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
No, the part I don't understand is why you can't ignore any request
where you are unwilling or unable to help. If everyone did, there would
only be one or two messages on this
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 10:20:38AM -0700, R-Elists wrote:
the point is enforcement somehow...
Enforcement = suppression and suppression - consequences
not elimination of the issue.
why not require a small yearly donation for access to the list ???
12 bucks a year? or more ?
Not
On 8/5/2010 1:13 PM, Warren Young wrote:
When someone says, I'm writing a shell script, and hereabouts I need
$TOOL to do such and such, a good answer is usually forthcoming.
When someone says, Tell me how to script this $PROJECT, the
commmunity usually points the OP off to Google/Manual.
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 01:40:10PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
So where would he have found an answer to the question that sparked this
thread of non-answers: the one about installing a redhat version that
didn't support USB on a USB disk?
There seems to be a disconnect here, and
no, i probably would join your list because it might be straight up doody.
right? eh? ;-)
open source doesnt mean free tech support to triple portion idiot morons on
an email list
present company excluded, of course ;-)
- rh
Ahh ok so you want mind paying a fee to join my list and
On 8/5/2010 2:50 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
So where would he have found an answer to the question that sparked this
thread of non-answers: the one about installing a redhat version that
didn't support USB on a USB disk?
There seems to be a disconnect here, and for the life of me I
On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 13:14 -0700, R-Elists wrote:
no, i probably would join your list because it might be straight up doody.
Ok elaborate for me some more on this so I can get a complete idea in
English.
Do you mean would not in place of would?
Do you mean to say it could be straight up
At Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:11:27 -0700 (PDT) CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
On 8/5/2010 12:25 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
The part I have trouble understanding is that while it seems
perfectly
JohnS wrote:
On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 13:14 -0700, R-Elists wrote:
no, i probably would join your list because it might be straight up
doody.
snip
Do you mean to say it could be straight up shit? That it?
I only Speak English and Gullah and there is no such word as doody.
Maybe a do'de'
No,
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 05:11:51PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
JohnS wrote:
On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 13:14 -0700, R-Elists wrote:
no, i probably would join your list because it might be straight up
doody.
snip
Do you mean to say it could be straight up shit? That it?
I only Speak
On Thursday, August 05, 2010 05:26:12 pm Scott Robbins wrote:
Often used, by children in insults such as doodie-head.
Perhaps the phrase 'doodie thread' should be coined.
Don't feed the trolls if you don't want a doodie thread. Dun G. Hill,
author, in 'I feel a draught'
On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 12:56:47PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I'm Middle Eastern and I subscribe to the list to search it, not to
ask redundant questions. I'm still a noob and I did recently ask a
question that I could not google, but your generalization is a bit
broad.
I should also note
Whit Blauvelt a écrit :
So is the notion that help your neighbor is more Middle Eastern and dog
eat dog more, what, American? The Middle East currently has Al Qaeda,
Hizbolla, Hamas, the Taliban, the IDF ... all embracing a philosophy for
which dog eat cog would be too kind a label. I'm
On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 07:47:34AM -0400, Whit Blauvelt wrote:
So is the notion that help your neighbor is more Middle Eastern and dog
eat dog more, what, American? The Middle East currently has Al Qaeda,
Please, people, could you take this off-list?
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Stephen
On 8/4/2010 7:20 AM, Niki Kovacs wrote:
Whit Blauvelt a écrit :
So is the notion that help your neighbor is more Middle Eastern and dog
eat dog more, what, American? The Middle East currently has Al Qaeda,
Hizbolla, Hamas, the Taliban, the IDF ... all embracing a philosophy for
which dog
On Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:57:58 am Les Mikesell wrote:
Aren't we all pretty comfortable with using thousands of man-hours of
other people's work for free? And, his posts are a tiny percentage of
this thread and I can't see where anyone else has added much useful
content either, nor
Les Mikesell wrote:
On 8/4/2010 7:20 AM, Niki Kovacs wrote:
Whit Blauvelt a écrit :
So is the notion that help your neighbor is more Middle Eastern and
dog eat dog more, what, American? The Middle East currently has Al
Qaeda,
Hizbolla, Hamas, the Taliban, the IDF ... all embracing a
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