Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this? - general report

2012-06-03 Thread Max Pyziur
On Wednesday, May 30, 2012 02:56:24 PM Max Pyziur wrote: My hope is to upgrade; that way I don't have to change/specify partition topology, and hopefully only minimally adjust the existing configurations. I have tried this type of upgrade before; I have not had it go well for the most part.

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this? - general report

2012-06-03 Thread Ross Walker
On Jun 3, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: On Wednesday, May 30, 2012 02:56:24 PM Max Pyziur wrote: My hope is to upgrade; that way I don't have to change/specify partition topology, and hopefully only minimally adjust the existing configurations. I have tried this type

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this? - general report

2012-06-03 Thread Les Mikesell
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: I recognize that most of the comments were from sysadmins, more involved in managing server farms, and steeped in that knowledge/experience base. And in upgrades, and thus have experience with the difference in effort and

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this? - general report

2012-06-03 Thread Max Pyziur
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Les Mikesell wrote: On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: I recognize that most of the comments were from sysadmins, more involved in managing server farms, and steeped in that knowledge/experience base. And in upgrades, and thus have

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this? - general report

2012-06-03 Thread Max Pyziur
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Ross Walker wrote: On Jun 3, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: [... deleted for the sake of brevity ...] Much thanks to thoughtful comments and cautions, You might want to crawl /etc, /bin, /sbin, /usr and /var for files not under management and

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this? - general report

2012-06-03 Thread Les Mikesell
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: My personal goal was to preserve the topology of the disk layout, as well as the configurations. Which are trivial to reproduce. And potentially improve in the process. And you still have yet to explain what you think the

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this? - general report

2012-06-03 Thread Max Pyziur
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Les Mikesell wrote: On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: My personal goal was to preserve the topology of the disk layout, as well as the configurations. Which are trivial to reproduce. And potentially improve in the process. It may be

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-31 Thread Lamar Owen
On Wednesday, May 30, 2012 02:56:24 PM Max Pyziur wrote: My hope is to upgrade; that way I don't have to change/specify partition topology, and hopefully only minimally adjust the existing configurations. I have tried this type of upgrade before; I have not had it go well for the most part.

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-31 Thread Les Mikesell
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: i will not buy the argument with the hardware because i had in the last years 4 notebooks, 3 workstations and two different notebooks of my co-developer which all done many dist-upgrades well if you know how to

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread Max Pyziur
On 05/25/2012 07:52 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: I *do* still have an FC2 box. Would anyone second this procedure: http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14052forum=37post_id=47945 It might possibly work, but

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread Les Mikesell
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: The point is to leave configurations, partitions, and other components as close as possible to being intact. Why isn't the point to match the existing CentOS box in production closely instead? Since this is a server

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: snip Since this is a server environment, there are about 700-800 packages, not the 3000 that sit on desktop machine. If it is a server environment, you should be paying attention to the supported life of

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread Max Pyziur
Les Mikesell wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: snip Since this is a server environment, there are about 700-800 packages, not the 3000 that sit on desktop machine. If it is a server environment, you should be paying attention to the supported life

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread Les Mikesell
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: Last, CentOS is built from Fedora Core 6. Usually, it makes sense to proceed sequentially. So you're going to upgrate to FC3, 4 and 5 before going to CentOS? Possibly. Unless someone else can attest to their own experience

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread m . roth
Max Pyziur wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: snip To clarify, the machine is a test/development box that also acts as a router to a DSL connection that (for the most part) replicates a co-located production machine that is currently

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread John R Pierce
On 05/30/12 9:07 AM, Max Pyziur wrote: Possibly. Unless someone else can attest to their own experience and knowledge that it's generally ok to move from FC2 to CentOS 5.*. That was my point in starting this thread. sure. take new system, clean install 5.latest on it, configure your

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread Max Pyziur
Max Pyziur wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: snip To clarify, the machine is a test/development box that also acts as a router to a DSL connection that (for the most part) replicates a co-located production machine that is

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread John R Pierce
On 05/30/12 10:26 AM, Max Pyziur wrote: I'm not interested in acquiring more hardware but rather hope to use what I have. It works satisfactorily in its current configuration; my interest is in aligning the OS of the test/backup unit with that of the production machine. then back it up, wipe

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread m . roth
Max Pyziur wrote: Max Pyziur wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: snip To clarify, the machine is a test/development box that also acts as a router to a DSL connection that (for the most part) replicates a co-located production

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread Max Pyziur
Max Pyziur wrote: Max Pyziur wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: snip To clarify, the machine is a test/development box that also acts as a router to a DSL connection that (for the most part) replicates a co-located production

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread Les Mikesell
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: Here is what I wrote: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2012-May/126307.html ... It's a test machine that replicates a production server. ... How would you improve it in order to remedy the apparent confusion? But in

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread Bowie Bailey
On 5/30/2012 2:21 PM, Max Pyziur wrote: I appreciate your and others' efforts at advice. I'm simply trying to use existing hardware (that's the eco-friendly approach), and trying to build my understanding of the Fedora/CentOS operational relationships. Given that it has been stated that CentOS

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread John R Pierce
On 05/30/12 11:21 AM, Max Pyziur wrote: I'm not yet looking for a recommendation for a clean install. there is no other sane approach. you can upgrade the system a half dozen times through those intermediate versions, and sort out every issue that comes along, or you can build a clean new

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread Max Pyziur
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: Here is what I wrote: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2012-May/126307.html ... It's a test machine that replicates a production server. ... How would you improve it in order to remedy the apparent confusion? But

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 05/30/2012 12:37 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 05/30/12 10:26 AM, Max Pyziur wrote: I'm not interested in acquiring more hardware but rather hope to use what I have. It works satisfactorily in its current configuration; my interest is in aligning the OS of the test/backup unit with that of

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread Les Mikesell
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 30.05.2012 20:36, schrieb Les Mikesell: Fedora doesn't support/recommend in-place upgrades across major versions or at least didn't for those versions.  My experience was that even within a major rev. an update

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread m . roth
Max Pyziur wrote: Max Pyziur wrote: Max Pyziur wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: snip I appreciate your and others' efforts at advice. I'm simply trying to use existing hardware (that's the eco-friendly approach), and trying to

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-30 Thread Les Mikesell
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: Thank you; this is very helpful. My hope is to upgrade; that way I don't have to change/specify partition topology, But that takes a couple of minutes - or you could use the saved kickstart info if FC2 saved it back then. Or

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-29 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 05/25/2012 07:52 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: I *do* still have an FC2 box. Would anyone second this procedure: http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14052forum=37post_id=47945 It might possibly work, but I

[CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-25 Thread Max Pyziur
Greetings, I *do* still have an FC2 box. Would anyone second this procedure: http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14052forum=37post_id=47945 Thanks. Max Pyziur p...@brama.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-25 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: I *do* still have an FC2 box. Would anyone second this procedure: http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14052forum=37post_id=47945 It might possibly work, but I can't quite imagine why anyone would want

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-25 Thread Max Pyziur
On Fri, 25 May 2012, Les Mikesell wrote: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: I *do* still have an FC2 box. Would anyone second this procedure: http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14052forum=37post_id=47945 It might possibly work, but I

Re: [CentOS] Upgrading FC2 to CentOS 5.* - anyone second this?

2012-05-25 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Max Pyziur p...@brama.com wrote: I *do* still have an FC2 box. Would anyone second this procedure: http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14052forum=37post_id=47945 It might possibly work, but I can't quite imagine why anyone would want