Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On 11/4/2017 11:39 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: How does spending between 300 and 800 for an Areca 8 port pay out when you can get a P410 for less than 100? Are they 3--8 times faster, 3--8 times easier to replace, 3--8 times more reliable, 3--8 times easier to use, 3--8 times more durable, 3--8

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On Sat, November 4, 2017 1:56 pm, Keith Keller wrote: > On 2017-11-04, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> On Sat, November 4, 2017 4:32 am, hw wrote: >> >>> If the cli is poor, the gui may seem much better > > Indeed. Before the storcli tool came out, the only CLI tool for

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On 2017-11-04, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Sat, November 4, 2017 4:32 am, hw wrote: > >> If the cli is poor, the gui may seem much better Indeed. Before the storcli tool came out, the only CLI tool for the LSI cards was MegaCli, and it was atrocious. In that case I

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On Sat, November 4, 2017 4:32 am, hw wrote: > Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> On Fri, November 3, 2017 3:36 am, hw wrote: >>> Valeri Galtsev wrote: If you have not Dell server hardware my choice of [hardware] RAID cards would be: Areca >>> >>> Areca is forbiddingly expensive.

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

Valeri Galtsev wrote: On Fri, November 3, 2017 3:36 am, hw wrote: Valeri Galtsev wrote: If you have not Dell server hardware my choice of [hardware] RAID cards would be: Areca Areca is forbiddingly expensive. Yes, and it is worth every dollar it costs. All good RAID cards will be on the

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On 11/4/2017 1:54 AM, hw wrote: I bought a used HP DL180g6 a couple years ago, 12 x 3.5" on the front panel, and 2 more in back, came with all 14 HP trays, dual X5650.   its a personal/charity server sitting at a coloc here in town.   I have several of the same model server at work with 25 x

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

John R Pierce wrote: On 11/3/2017 1:31 AM, hw wrote: 2.5" SAS drives spinning at 10k and 15k RPM are the performance solution for online storage, like databases and so forth. also make more sense for large arrays of SSDs, as they don't even come in 3.5".With 2.5" you can pack more disks

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

John R Pierce wrote: On 11/3/2017 1:25 AM, hw wrote: That only goes when you buy new. Look at what you can get used, and you´ll see that there´s basically nothing that fits 3.5" drives. I bought a used HP DL180g6 a couple years ago, 12 x 3.5" on the front panel, and 2 more in back, came

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On 11/3/2017 1:31 AM, hw wrote: 2.5" SAS drives spinning at 10k and 15k RPM are the performance solution for online storage, like databases and so forth.   also make more sense for large arrays of SSDs, as they don't even come in 3.5".    With 2.5" you can pack more disks per U (24-25 2.5" per

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On 11/3/2017 1:25 AM, hw wrote: That only goes when you buy new.  Look at what you can get used, and you´ll see that there´s basically nothing that fits 3.5" drives. I bought a used HP DL180g6 a couple years ago, 12 x 3.5" on the front panel, and 2 more in back, came with all 14 HP trays,

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On 11/3/2017 1:19 AM, hw wrote: Y'know, I just had a thought: are there folks here who, when they say "server", are *not* thinking of rackmount servers? Does it matter?  19" cases are very well thought out, easy to work on and fit nicely into the racks.  You can always use something else and

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Fri, November 3, 2017 3:36 am, hw wrote: >> Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>> LSI (or whoever owns that line these days - Intel was the last one, I >>> recollect) >>> >>> With LSI beware that they have really nasty command line client, and do >>> not have raid watch daemon with

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On Fri, November 3, 2017 3:36 am, hw wrote: > Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> If you have not Dell server hardware my choice of [hardware] RAID cards >> would be: >> >> Areca > > Areca is forbiddingly expensive. Yes, and it is worth every dollar it costs. All good RAID cards will be on the same price

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: hw wrote: m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: hw wrote: Richard Zimmerman wrote: DO NOT buy the newer HPE DL20 gen9 or ML10 gen9 servers then (especially if using CentOS 6.x) And I do *not* want to buy from HP, because their support is nothing like good. Indeed, I wouldn´t

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

Valeri Galtsev wrote: If you have not Dell server hardware my choice of [hardware] RAID cards would be: Areca Areca is forbiddingly expensive. LSI (or whoever owns that line these days - Intel was the last one, I recollect) With LSI beware that they have really nasty command line client,

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

John R Pierce wrote: On 11/2/2017 9:21 AM, hw wrote: Richard Zimmerman wrote: hw wrote: Next question: you want RAID, how much storage do you need? Will 4 or 8 3.5" drives be enough (DO NOT GET crappy 2.5" drives - they're *much* more expensive than the 3.5" drives, and >smaller disk space.

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: hw wrote: Richard Zimmerman wrote: hw wrote: Next question: you want RAID, how much storage do you need? Will 4 or 8 3.5" drives be enough (DO NOT GET crappy 2.5" drives - they're *much* more expensive than the 3.5" drives, and >smaller disk space. For the price of a

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Valeri Galtsev wrote: On Thu, November 2, 2017 11:21 am, hw wrote: Richard Zimmerman wrote: hw wrote: Next question: you want RAID, how much storage do you need? Will 4 or 8 3.5" drives be enough (DO NOT GET crappy 2.5" drives - they're *much* more expensive than the

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 2 November 2017 at 12:21, hw wrote: Richard Zimmerman wrote: hw wrote: Next question: you want RAID, how much storage do you need? Will 4 or 8 3.5" drives be enough (DO NOT GET crappy 2.5" drives - they're *much* more expensive than the 3.5"

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On 2017-11-02, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Thu, November 2, 2017 4:43 pm, Keith Keller wrote: >> >> There are Nagios plugins that can check the status of LSI controllers, >> arrays, and drives. The plugin is nice even if you don't use Nagios; >> it'd be pretty easy to

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On Thu, November 2, 2017 4:43 pm, Keith Keller wrote: > On 2017-11-02, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> If you have not Dell server hardware my choice of [hardware] RAID cards >> would be: >> >> Areca >> LSI (or whoever owns that line these days - Intel was the last one, I

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On 11/2/2017 2:35 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: John R Pierce wrote: On 11/2/2017 2:18 PM,m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: We have a fair number of SAS 3.5" drives, and yes, 10k or 15k speeds. those are internally 2.5" disks in a 3.5" frame.   you can't spin a 3.5" disk much faster than 7200 rpm

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On 11/2/2017 7:20 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote: it's just a pity they're not compatible with Linux so I can't monitor or manage them while the servers are running. The only way I know I have problems is by watching the LEDS I have a couple python scripts I've used for monitoring LSI/Avago

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On 2017-11-02, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > If you have not Dell server hardware my choice of [hardware] RAID cards > would be: > > Areca > LSI (or whoever owns that line these days - Intel was the last one, I > recollect) > > With LSI beware that they have really nasty

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

John R Pierce wrote: > On 11/2/2017 2:18 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> We have a fair number of SAS 3.5" drives, and yes, 10k or 15k speeds. > > those are internally 2.5" disks in a 3.5" frame.   you can't spin a 3.5" > disk much faster than 7200 rpm without it coming apart. > Sorry, that's

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On 11/2/2017 2:18 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: We have a fair number of SAS 3.5" drives, and yes, 10k or 15k speeds. those are internally 2.5" disks in a 3.5" frame.   you can't spin a 3.5" disk much faster than 7200 rpm without it coming apart. -- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

John R Pierce wrote: > On 11/2/2017 9:21 AM, hw wrote: >> Richard Zimmerman wrote: >>> hw wrote: Next question: you want RAID, how much storage do you need? Will 4 or 8 3.5" drives be enough (DO NOT GET crappy 2.5" drives - they're *much* more expensive than the 3.5" drives, and

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On 11/2/2017 9:21 AM, hw wrote: Richard Zimmerman wrote: hw wrote: Next question: you want RAID, how much storage do you need? Will 4 or 8 3.5" drives be enough (DO NOT GET crappy 2.5" drives - they're *much* more expensive than the 3.5" drives, and >smaller disk space. For the price of a

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

Richard Zimmerman wrote: >>Most servers can fit only 2.5" disks these days. I keep wondering what >> everyone is doing about storage. > > The DL20 gen9 I bought was setup LFF (3.5") > > The DL380 gen9 could be either SFF (2.5) or LFF. I had to buy SFF for our > new server due I was told to spec /

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Thu, November 2, 2017 11:21 am, hw wrote: >> Richard Zimmerman wrote: >>> hw wrote: Next question: you want RAID, how much storage do you need? Will 4 or 8 3.5" drives be enough (DO NOT GET crappy 2.5" drives - they're *much* more expensive than the

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

hw wrote: > Richard Zimmerman wrote: >> hw wrote: >>> Next question: you want RAID, how much storage do you need? Will 4 or 8 >>> 3.5" drives be enough (DO NOT GET crappy 2.5" drives - they're *much* >>> more expensive than the 3.5" drives, and >smaller disk space. For the >>> price of a 1TB 2.5",

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

hw wrote: > m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> hw wrote: >>> Richard Zimmerman wrote: DO NOT buy the newer HPE DL20 gen9 or ML10 gen9 servers then (especially if using CentOS 6.x) >>> >> And I do *not* want to buy from HP, because their >> support is nothing like good. > > Indeed, I

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

>Most servers can fit only 2.5" disks these days. I keep wondering what >everyone is doing about storage. The DL20 gen9 I bought was setup LFF (3.5") The DL380 gen9 could be either SFF (2.5) or LFF. I had to buy SFF for our new server due I was told to spec / build it exact to vendor

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On Thu, November 2, 2017 11:18 am, hw wrote: > m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> hw wrote: >>> Richard Zimmerman wrote: DO NOT buy the newer HPE DL20 gen9 or ML10 gen9 servers then (especially if using CentOS 6.x) >>> >>> What would you suggest as alternative, something from Dell? >> >>

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On Thu, November 2, 2017 11:21 am, hw wrote: > Richard Zimmerman wrote: >> hw wrote: >>> Next question: you want RAID, how much storage do you need? Will 4 or 8 >>> 3.5" drives be enough (DO NOT GET crappy 2.5" drives - they're *much* >>> more expensive than the 3.5" drives, and >smaller disk

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On 2 November 2017 at 12:21, hw wrote: > Richard Zimmerman wrote: >> >> hw wrote: >>> >>> Next question: you want RAID, how much storage do you need? Will 4 or 8 >>> 3.5" drives be enough (DO NOT GET crappy 2.5" drives - they're *much* more >>> expensive than the 3.5" drives, and

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

Richard Zimmerman wrote: hw wrote: Next question: you want RAID, how much storage do you need? Will 4 or 8 3.5" drives be enough (DO NOT GET crappy 2.5" drives - they're *much* more expensive than the 3.5" drives, and >smaller disk space. For the price of a 1TB 2.5", I can get at least a 4TB

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: hw wrote: Richard Zimmerman wrote: DO NOT buy the newer HPE DL20 gen9 or ML10 gen9 servers then (especially if using CentOS 6.x) What would you suggest as alternative, something from Dell? Yep, Dell's are good. That´s good to hear. And I do *not* want to buy

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

Richard Zimmerman wrote: > hw wrote: >>Next question: you want RAID, how much storage do you need? Will 4 or 8 >> 3.5" drives be enough (DO NOT GET crappy 2.5" drives - they're *much* >> more expensive than the 3.5" drives, and >smaller disk space. For the >> price of a 1TB 2.5", I can get at

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

this helps Richard -Original Message- From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Leroy Tennison Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 11:08 AM To: centos Subject: Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations Good to know about the HPE and Dell "go

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

their own quirks. Bottom line: support is there but more basic and not as easy to use. - Original Message - From: "Richard Zimmerman" <rzimmer...@riverbendhose.com> To: "centos" <centos@centos.org> Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 8:33:17 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

hw wrote: >Next question: you want RAID, how much storage do you need? Will 4 or 8 3.5" >drives be enough (DO NOT GET crappy 2.5" drives - they're *much* more >expensive than the 3.5" drives, and >smaller disk space. For the price of a >1TB 2.5", I can get at least a 4TB WD Red. I will second

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

Gary Stainburn wrote: > On Thursday 02 November 2017 14:10:25 Bowie Bailey wrote: > By using H/W RAID, it's literally just a case of removing the dead drive > and inserting the replacement. I've got a number of IBM and DELL boxes > like this. > it's just a pity they're not compatible with Linux

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

Richard Zimmerman wrote: > Honestly, I'm leaning against Dell because their stuff just doesn't seem > to be built to last. We have 1 T620, 2 R620 servers. So far just past the > 5 year mark, 3 dead hard drives, 2 power supplies. That is with the > machines mostly TURNED OFF. (Failed IT project

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

Once upon a time, Gary Stainburn said: > I've used MDADM before on previous servers, but have found that this setup > isn't hot swap. Ultimately if I had to replace a drive it involved a lot of > effort, especially the first drive. I use mdadm RAID in a bunch of places; it

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

hw wrote: > Richard Zimmerman wrote: >> DO NOT buy the newer HPE DL20 gen9 or ML10 gen9 servers then (especially >> if using CentOS 6.x) > > What would you suggest as alternative, something from Dell? Yep, Dell's are good. And I do *not* want to buy from HP, because their support is nothing like

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On Thursday 02 November 2017 14:10:25 Bowie Bailey wrote: > If you want raid 5 or 6, then you should get a hardware controller. For > raid 1, mdadm should work just fine.  I would suggest trying it before > buying a raid controller.  If it works for you, you save a few hundred > dollars and you

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

On 11/2/2017 8:04 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote: I'm just about to build a new server and I'm looking for recommendations on what hardware to use. I'm happy with either a brand name, or building my own, but would like a hardware RAID controller to run a pair of disks as RAID1 that is actually

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

machines Fast, reliable and just work GREAT with Centos 6.9! Regards, Richard -Original Message- From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of hw Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 9:09 AM To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

Richard Zimmerman wrote: DO NOT buy the newer HPE DL20 gen9 or ML10 gen9 servers then (especially if using CentOS 6.x) What would you suggest as alternative, something from Dell? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

17 8:28 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations Hello, what is the purpose of this server? On Thursday, November 2, 2017, Gary Stainburn <g...@ringways.co.uk> wrote: > I'm just about to build a new server and I'm looking for

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

Gary Stainburn wrote: I'm just about to build a new server and I'm looking for recommendations on what hardware to use. I'm happy with either a brand name, or building my own, but would like a hardware RAID controller to run a pair of disks as RAID1 that is actually compatible with and

Re: [CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

Hello, what is the purpose of this server? On Thursday, November 2, 2017, Gary Stainburn wrote: > I'm just about to build a new server and I'm looking for recommendations on > what hardware to use. > > I'm happy with either a brand name, or building my own, but would like a

[CentOS] low end file server with h/w RAID - recommendations

I'm just about to build a new server and I'm looking for recommendations on what hardware to use. I'm happy with either a brand name, or building my own, but would like a hardware RAID controller to run a pair of disks as RAID1 that is actually compatible with and manageable through Linux.