Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-11 Thread Patrick Lists
On 10/11/2010 07:10 AM, Mathieu Baudier wrote: [snip] - install 'mock' (IMPORTANT: install the one from CentOS, exclude the one from EPEL in your repo file) Would you mind giving a hint why one should not use mock from EPEL? Afaict the mock version in the CentOS repo is 0.6.13 which was

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-11 Thread Mathieu Baudier
Would you mind giving a hint why one should not use mock from EPEL? Because the one in CentOS will, out of the box, pull out and properly configure the CentOS buildsys package, which itself is a meta-package whose dependencies are the minimal set required to create a chroot build environment:

[CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-11 Thread R P Herrold
On Mon, 11 Oct 2010, Patrick Lists wrote: Would you mind giving a hint why one should not use mock from EPEL? Afaict the mock version in the CentOS repo is 0.6.13 which was released years ago and the one in EPEL is 1.0.7 which is current. ehh?? mock-1.1.5-1orc.src.rpm from upstream Raw Hide

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-11 Thread Phil Schaffner
Robert P. J. Day wrote on 10/10/2010 05:56 PM: ... http://wiki.centos.org/PackageManagement/SourceInstalls seems just a touch on the hysterical side. i don't disagree that installing packages from the source rpm is probably a questionable idea. but that doesn't justify simply not

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-11 Thread Lamar Owen
On Sunday, October 10, 2010 05:56:47 pm Robert P. J. Day wrote: frankly, the wiki page on downloading from source: http://wiki.centos.org/PackageManagement/SourceInstalls seems just a touch on the hysterical side. For certain uses and certain software stacks from source is the only sane

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-11 Thread Patrick Lists
On 10/11/2010 05:12 PM, R P Herrold wrote: On Mon, 11 Oct 2010, Patrick Lists wrote: Would you mind giving a hint why one should not use mock from EPEL? Afaict the mock version in the CentOS repo is 0.6.13 which was released years ago and the one in EPEL is 1.0.7 which is current. ehh??

[CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-11 Thread R P Herrold
On Mon, 11 Oct 2010, Patrick Lists wrote: On 10/11/2010 05:12 PM, R P Herrold wrote: The mock inplementaion is a moving target --- I do not know the particulars of why the other party recommmended using THE ONE CENTOS BUILT ON for CentOS, but ... Sorry but I don't get it. Are you saying

[CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread Robert P. J. Day
yes, i've read the online docs and followed a link or two to find a simple way to do this, such as: http://sourceware.org/systemtap/wiki/SystemTapOnCentOS so, these days, is that the canonical way to download source rpms? now, note that i'm not arguing about whether this is a good idea. in

[CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread R P Herrold
On Sun, 10 Oct 2010, Robert P. J. Day wrote: so, these days, is that the canonical way to download source rpms? I am substantially certain we have a wiki article on mirroring, and certainly I've written about mirroring over and over again from many approaches [my most recent blog post,

[CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread R P Herrold
On Sun, 10 Oct 2010, R P Herrold wrote: WHAT? you don't want to handle that load RIGHT NOT and for s/OT/OW/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread Frank Cox
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 17:56 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: so, is that reasonable? to just manually add an extra repo file according to that link above (which appears to work perfectly well). In my opinion, in most cases there is no particularly good reason to bother compiling a source rpm

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread JohnS
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 17:56 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: so they can examine the source of some packages. is the approach i'm suggesting reasonable? thanks. rday --- All on Debian ? John ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread John R. Dennison
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 05:56:47PM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: my plan is to install yum-utils to get yumdownloader, add the repo file suggested above, then have students: Are these students paying for whatever training you are supplying?

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Sun, 10 Oct 2010, Frank Cox wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 17:56 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: so, is that reasonable? to just manually add an extra repo file according to that link above (which appears to work perfectly well). In my opinion, in most cases there is no particularly

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Sun, 10 Oct 2010, John R. Dennison wrote: On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 05:56:47PM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: my plan is to install yum-utils to get yumdownloader, add the repo file suggested above, then have students: Are these students paying for whatever training you are

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread Frank Cox
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 18:58 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: but it's a little high-handed to not explain how to do something because you've decided it's not something you want *others* to know. There is very little to explain, if all you want to do is examine the source. Install rpmdevtools.

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread ken
Before yum and when I used to have time for it, I compiled from source everything on my machine. It wasn't that big of a deal. Just took some time. The pay-off was significant in performance and speed... reason being that, if you configure gcc for your particular cpu, the code is able to take

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread JohnS
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 17:36 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 18:58 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: but it's a little high-handed to not explain how to do something because you've decided it's not something you want *others* to know. There is very little to explain, if all

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread Shaun Jones
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:23 PM, JohnS jse...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 17:36 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 18:58 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: but it's a little high-handed to not explain how to do something because you've decided it's not something you

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread Larry Brower
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shaun Jones wrote: On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:23 PM, JohnS jse...@gmail.com wrote: Warning: No matches found for: rpmdevtools No Matches found John Rpmdevtools for CentOS is available from EPEL.

[CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread R P Herrold
On Sun, 10 Oct 2010, JohnS wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 17:36 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: There is very little to explain, if all you want to do is examine the source. Install rpmdevtools. Run rpmdev-setuptree Warning: No matches found for: rpmdevtools No Matches found As I recall,

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread JohnS
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 21:35 -0400, R P Herrold wrote: On Sun, 10 Oct 2010, JohnS wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 17:36 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: There is very little to explain, if all you want to do is examine the source. Install rpmdevtools. Run rpmdev-setuptree Warning: No

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread Mathieu Baudier
More people should be doing this kind of stuff.  The world needs more open source developers.  Looking at existing code is a great tool for learning. +1 As Karanbir put it in his interview in Distrowatch a few months ago, CentOS is not only great as a stable and predictable server distrib,

Re: [CentOS] recommended way to install source rpms?

2010-10-10 Thread Ben McGinnes
On 11/10/10 10:44 AM, ken wrote: Alternatively, you could also check out Slackware. In my opinion Slackware is still the best distribution for actually learning about GNU/Linux. I'm a little biased, though, I've been running it since 4.0 (and had accounts on other systems running it prior to